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What is a BB draft without a few WTF moments. I guess we should be used to it by now. But its still always painful to watch, even when the end results have been so consistently good over the years. So for what it's worth here are my draft thoughts now that THIS part of the team building process is over.

1. For now I'm going to let BB's selections stand on their own merits. What I find interesting is what they tell us about what he thinks of his team and where it needs help.

a. The lack of serious picks at WR and DB's tells me he's happier with what he has at the WR and Safety spots than many here are. Don't sleep on Nate Ebner. He has all the measurables to be the so called SS everyone here seems to be demanding. Remember this is really only his 3rd season playing the position. Perhaps BB is happy with his development.

b. One can easily infer that all the picks on the OL could mean that he's not as happy with his OL situation as I thought he was. All those picks COULD mean that he's worried about Volmer's recovery from his ankle break. He isn't really thrilled about the prospect of a Connolly/Wendell RG/C combination. But then again who is. ;)

c. The thing that struck me the most of those picks were that ALL these guys are BIG. In the past the Pats have prospered using relatively undersized, athletic OLmen. I have to wonder if drafting all this strength and size signals a departure from this strategy. Are me moving on, not only from Dante, but his philosophy? Are we now going from a "zone blocking" team to a more "power blocking" team?

d. At any rate TC will be more interesting this season. The OL competition is going to be fierce. I only can hope that in this TC, the OL will practice closer to the stands so we can actually get to see what's going on.

e The lack of a LB is also telling. On the surface it seems like we are pretty much lacking in LB depth. This might tell us how BB feels about the LB position in general, More and more it seems like the LB position is becoming devalued as defenses focus more on the DL and DB's configurations.

Back in the 3-4 days, BB would routinely carry 9 LBs on his roster, sometimes even 10. Now he might not even carry 6, if you don't count guys like Ninko. I mean how often are the Pat going to have 3 LB's on the field. The fact is that they are going to be in a "sub package" over 60% of the time, and in 90% of those "sub packages" only 2 LB's are going to be on the field. For that reason I won't be a bit surprise if the Pats end up carrying only 5 "true" LB's on their final 53 man roster. And that COULD be the reason the Pats didn't draft any LB's.

2. Why no TE? If there was ONE universally agreed upon fact from both the media and the fans was that the Pats should take a TE in the first 3 rounds. Well 7 rounds have gone by and we still haven't added one. Why? Here are a couple of suppositions

a. He didn't like the players who were available to him at the time

b. He had a player that he wanted, but he was gone. Of the top 5 TE's only CJ Fedorowicz was available when the Pats chose at #62, and he was gone 3 picks later. Perhaps BB felt that the TE's who were left weren't any better than Hooman or DJ Williams

c. Maybe the speculation that the 2 TE phenomenon was more of a BOB thing than a Josh thing is right, and the Pats will use more 3 WR sets this year as a base so there is no need to carry 4 TE's.

d. They really like Mark Harrison to fill that "move TE role"

e. Gronk's health issues are being overstated

f. Keller will soon be a Patriot

g. Any and all of those things could be facts that led to us not drafting a TE

3. While this draft might not be filled with Fantasy Football future All Stars, the Pats first pick could very well be the single most impactful defensive player the Pats have drafted in years. Here's why I think this.

a. The single biggest threat to today's complex and prolific passing offenses is the threat of an effective interior pass rush. A heavy push up the middle disrupts timing and forces QB's to make short quick less accurate throws. It gets the QB "off his spot" and forces him into your outside rush.

b. The problem is that finding players who have that that skill set is rare. So rare that an undersized, short armed, DT from Pittsburgh was the 13th overall pick in the draft.

c. Now what has me so jacked up about this pick is the more that I read about Easly the more it becomes apparent that he has the potential to be the BEST interior rusher in this draft. Even better than Donald.

d. Easly has a skill set that the Pats haven't had in the entire BB era. I think he will be a dynamic presence in the Pats defense from the first game one.

e. And yes I am aware that he might be a liability in the run game, but only if you expect him to be effective 2 gaping or against double teams. A great coach plays to a player's strengths and doesn't ask him to do what he obviously can't. Fortunately that's one of BB's strengths, so I don't worry about Easly's lack of size that much. I trust that BB will only put him in positions to succeed.

4. Easly was the good news, now for the bad. I'm sorry, but even a day later, I CANNOT justify the Garapollo pick. Unless Brady has informed the Pats that he's only going to play 2 more years, it can't be justified. All I know is that the Pats picked a guy with the 62nd pick who isn't going to take a significant snap for them until the 2017 season.....and that's the best case scenario.

Even if the kid turns out to be the 2nd coming of Aaron Rogers, it doesn't make sense today, tomorrow or for the next 3 years. There were just so many solid prospects out there who could have contributed immediately and be potential starters with a couple of years. With that pick we could have take Fiedorowicz TE, Marcus Martin C, Crichton DE, etc. Even a WR at that spot would have been preferable IMHO ( and you all know how I feel about WR's in this draft ;) ). So instead of a player who might actually play a few significant snaps before 2017, we get a guy who most significant contribution the next 3 years will be to play the "athletic QB" on scout teams, and to bring Brady is coffee for the QB meetings. :rolleyes:

Christ if they felt the need to pick a QB this year, they could have had their choice of some great ones much later on. Logan Thomas would have made much more sense because he probably needs 3 years to develop and in the meantime he could have at least played on ST's or become a TE.

This pick might make just a LITTLE sense if the Pats somehow trade Mallett for a 2015 pick before the season starts. But as of now it makes no sense at all, even on a roster basis. We now need an extra roster space for a QB, which means its likely that one of the offensive linemen we drafted will be cut because we will only be able to carry 8 OLmen instead of the 9 we'd carry if we only had 2 QB's on the 53 man roster.


5. As for the rest of the draft, who knows. We have gotten some very good value at the bottom of the roster recently, But as of this moment, they are all just camp fodder until proven differently. I will be surprised if more than 4 of these picks make the 53 man roster. I only expect 2 to eventually be full time starters (Easly and Stork) by the 2015 season.


BOTTOM LINE - My excitement about Easly can't overcome the lack of an addition of a significant other pick in this draft. Beyond my HOPE that Stork can become the starting C in another year, I really doubt that any of the rest of these picks will ever be more than back up players on this team. Grade C-


BTW- The draft is one one aspect of the team building process, and while, except for Easly, this draft was a big disappointment, I remain EXTREMELY excited and optimistic about the 2014 version of our New England Patriots.
 
Strongly agree. The 2nd most disappointing pick was the RB. He's not very good and after losing Blount, I really thought we'd pick a power back or a super fast RB. This guy is neither. I wouldn't be surprised if the UDFA RB shows more in camp.
 
Is it possible in BBs mind one way or the other Brady only has two more season as the Pats qb?
 
I think our top 5 picks (Easley, Garoppolo, Stork, White, Fleming) are all near-locks for the 53 barring injury. I've just noticed that the 5th round seems to be when picks start to not make the team. Obviously there are exceptions like Tyler Wilson, but they're rare.
 
I can't say I love them picking next years backup QB in the 2nd round. But Mallet is obviously gone after this year and it makes sense to think ahead and get a guy who can replace him. Maybe they think he's the best QB in this draft? Who knows but if this kid looks good in a couple years and is Brady's eventual successor then I'll be happy with it.
 
Kudos for your intelligent assessment.. but he final grade of C- seems inconsistent with your overall assessment... always felt that draft grades given immediately after a draft, were pretty much a guess as no one knows how they will do on the big stage.

If your assessment of Easly is correct, then the whole draft grade should increase... to have increased the depth along the O line is significant.
 
I wonder if in TB's later years BB is going to use the approach Denver did with Elway in his later Championship years and become a running team? BB always seems to buck the trend, in a passing league I wonder if he is going to beef up the offensive line and we are going to see more runs this year just to prolong TB's career?

c. The thing that struck me the most of those picks were that ALL these guys are BIG. In the past the Pats have prospered using relatively undersized, athletic OLmen. I have to wonder if drafting all this strength and size signals a departure from this strategy. Are me moving on, not only from Dante, but his philosophy? Are we now going from a "zone blocking" team to a more "power blocking" team?
 
I disagree with the criticism of the Qb pick. The Patriots need to find the replacement for Brady and the sooner they start in earnest the better. Garap may not be the guy, but it is better to find out sooner than later. They now have time to see how he does for a year or two and can still draft another QB if they don't think he is the guy.

The strategy is solid, because without a QB, a team is dead in the water. This is a method to search for a starting caliber QB without having that down year. Remember, there is no guarantee that the first guy they pick will be good, even if they have a top 10 pick, they still could flounder for years without finding a starting QB.

They are giving themselves time and it is really a brilliant strategy.
 
Let's agree on your arithmetic.

1) Almost 1/2 the time (46%) we will need 3 linebackers (40% base plus 6% sub).

2) We have no "true" backup LB's on the squad (unless someone believes in Beuaharnais).

3) Unless you are counting on Ninkovich, we need a LB or 2 to come off the bench. Collins and Fletcher got lost of reps last year. We have lost Spikes and Fletcher. We've brought in Hull. We will need another addition or two.

4) I expect us to carry 5 LB's.

Now he might not even carry 6, if you don't count guys like Ninko. I mean how often are the Pat going to have 3 LB's on the field. The fact is that they are going to be in a "sub package" over 60% of the time, and in 90% of those "sub packages" only 2 LB's are going to be on the field. For that reason I won't be a bit surprise if the Pats end up carrying only 5 "true" LB's on their final 53 man roster. And that COULD be the reason the Pats didn't draft any LB's
 
Tell us how you really feel! Belichick was ready to draft a QB on the 1st round. Many of us wanted Bridgewater. Belichick evaluated them all. Belichick would have drafted Bortles but not Bridgewater.

We needed a QB for 2015.

You seemed to wanted to do nothing and hope that QB walked in the door in 2015. BTW, the cost of such a player has been about $4M.

Since you have the roster concern, you wouldn't have chosen a QB later and then carried 3 quarterbacks.

OBVIOUSLY, none of us would have brought in a late rounder who wasn't ready to be a backup and carried on 2 quarterbacks.

SOLUTION
Belichick chose to be one year ahead, as is usually the case. He chose our 2015-2017 quarterback this year. And just BTW, the solution to the roster spot problem is move Mallett. With Garrapolo, we need carry only 2 quarterbacks.

4, Easly was the good news, now for the bad. I'm sorry, but even a day later, I CANNOT justify the Garapollo pick. Unless Brady has informed the Pats that he's only going to play 2 more years, it can't be justified. All I know is that the Pats picked a guy with the 62nd pick who isn't going to take a significant snap for them until the 2017 season.....and that's the best case scenario.

Even if the kid turns out to be the 2nd coming of Aaron Rogers, it doesn't make sense today, tomorrow or for the next 3 years. There were just so many solid prospects out there who could have contributed immediately and be potential starters with a couple of years. With that pick we could have take Fiedorowicz TE, Marcus Martin C, Crichton DE, etc. Even a WR at that spot would have been preferable IMHO ( and you all know how I feel about WR's in this draft ;) ). So instead of a player who might actually play a few significant snaps before 2017, we get a guy who most significant contribution the next 3 years will be to play the "athletic QB" on scout teams, and to bring Brady is coffee for the QB meetings. :rolleyes:

Christ if they felt the need to pick a QB this year, they could have had their choice of some great ones much later on. Logan Thomas would have made much more sense because he probably needs 3 years to develop and in the meantime he could have at least played on ST's or become a TE.

This pick might make just a LITTLE sense if the Pats somehow trade Mallett for a 2015 pick before the season starts. But as of now it makes no sense at all, even on a roster basis. We now need an extra roster space for a QB, which means its likely that one of the offensive linemen we drafted will be cut because we will only be able to carry 8 OLmen instead of the 9 we'd carry if we only had 2 QB's on the 53 man roster.
 
I disagree with the criticism of the Qb pick. The Patriots need to find the replacement for Brady and the sooner they start in earnest the better. Garap may not be the guy, but it is better to find out sooner than later. They now have time to see how he does for a year or two and can still draft another QB if they don't think he is the guy.

The strategy is solid, because without a QB, a team is dead in the water. This is a method to search for a starting caliber QB without having that down year. Remember, there is no guarantee that the first guy they pick will be good, even if they have a top 10 pick, they still could flounder for years without finding a starting QB.

They are giving themselves time and it is really a brilliant strategy.
You are absolutely correct. BB is already on record saying the Indianapolis method is not for him, and it would have been absolutely terrible for Indy if Luck had turned out to be a Ryan Leaf type bust. Like it or not, Brady is nearing the end of his career. I for one would much rather draft a QB per year and try them out until we find a good one while Brady is still playing. I don't want to go back to the years where 2-14 was the norm and we were all hoping to hit 6-10 once in a while.

As BB says, better to pull the trigger a year early instead of a year late. And that applies to bringing in new blood as well as it does to cutting diminishing skilled veterans
 
No NFL team drafted the next Aaron Rodgers this year. That includes the New England Patriots.
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What is a BB draft without a few WTF moments. I guess we should be used to it by now. But its still always painful to watch, even when the end results have been so consistently good over the years. So for what it's worth here are my draft thoughts now that THIS part of the team building process is over.

1. For now I'm going to let BB's selections stand on their own merits. What I find interesting is what they tell us about what he thinks of his team and where it needs help.

a, The lack of serious picks at WR and DB's tells me he's happier with what he has at the WR and Safety spots than many here are. Don't sleep on Nate Ebner. He has all the measurables to be the so called SS everyone here seems to be demanding. Remember this is really only his 3rd season playing the position. Perhaps BB is happy with his development.

b. One can easily infer that all the picks on the OL could mean that he's not as happy with his OL situation as I thought he was. All those picks COULD mean that he's worried about Volmer's recovery from his ankle break. He isn't really thrilled about the prospect of a Connolly/Wendell RG/C combination. But then again who is. ;)

c. The thing that struck me the most of those picks were that ALL these guys are BIG. In the past the Pats have prospered using relatively undersized, athletic OLmen. I have to wonder if drafting all this strength and size signals a departure from this strategy. Are me moving on, not only from Dante, but his philosophy? Are we now going from a "zone blocking" team to a more "power blocking" team?

d. At any rate TC will be more interesting this season. The OL competition is going to be fierce. I only can hope that in this TC, the OL will practice closer to the stands so we can actually get to see what's going on.

e The lack of a LB is also telling. On the surface it seems like we are pretty much lacking in LB depth. This might tell us how BB feels about the LB position in general, More and more it seems like the LB position is becoming devalued as defenses focus more on the DL and DB's configurations.

Back in the 3-4 days, BB would routinely carry 9 LBs on his roster, sometimes even 10. Now he might not even carry 6, if you don't count guys like Ninko. I mean how often are the Pat going to have 3 LB's on the field. The fact is that they are going to be in a "sub package" over 60% of the time, and in 90% of those "sub packages" only 2 LB's are going to be on the field. For that reason I won't be a bit surprise if the Pats end up carrying only 5 "true" LB's on their final 53 man roster. And that COULD be the reason the Pats didn't draft any LB's

2. Why no TE. If there was ONE universally agreed upon fact from both the media and the fans was that the Pats should take a TE in the first 3 rounds. Well 7 rounds have gone by and we still haven't added one. Why? Here are a couple of suppositions

a. He didn't like the players who were available to him at the time

b. He had a player that he wanted, but he was gone. Of the top 5 TE's only CJ Fedorowicz was available when the Pats chose at #62, and he was gone 3 picks later. Perhaps BB felt that the TE's who were left weren't any better than Hooman or DJ Williams

c. Maybe the speculation that the 2 TE phenomenon was more of a BOB thing than a Josh thing is right, and the Pats will use more 3 WR sets this year as a base so there is no need to carry 4 TE's.

d. They really like Mark Harrison to fill that "move TE role"

e. Gronk's health issues are being overstated

f. Keller will soon be a Patriot

g. Any and all of those things could be facts that led to us not drafting a TE

3. While this draft might not be filled with Fantasy Football future All Stars, the Pats first pick could very well be the single most impactful defensive player the Pats have drafted in years. Here's why I think this.

a. The single biggest threat to today's complex and prolific passing offenses is the threat of an effective interior pass rush. A heavy push up the middle disrupts timing and forces QB's to make short quick less accurate throws. It gets the QB "off his spot" and forces him into your outside rush.

b. The problem is that finding players who have that that skill set is rare. So rare that an undersized, short armed, DT from Pittsburgh was the 13th overall pick in the draft.

c. Now what has me so jacked up about this pick is the more that I read about Easly the more it becomes apparent that he has the potential to be the BEST interior rusher in this draft. Even better than Donald.

d. Easly has a skill set that the Pats haven't had in the entire BB era. I think he will be a dynamic presence in the Pats defense from the first game one.

e. And yes I am aware that he might be a liability in the run game, but only if you expect him to be effective 2 gaping or against double teams. A great coach plays to a player's strengths and doesn't ask him to do what he obviously can't. Fortunately that's one of BB's strengths, so I don't worry about Easly's lack of size that much. I trust that BB will only put him in positions to succeed.

4, Easly was the good news, now for the bad. I'm sorry, but even a day later, I CANNOT justify the Garapollo pick. Unless Brady has informed the Pats that he's only going to play 2 more years, it can't be justified. All I know is that the Pats picked a guy with the 62nd pick who isn't going to take a significant snap for them until the 2017 season.....and that's the best case scenario.

Even if the kid turns out to be the 2nd coming of Aaron Rogers, it doesn't make sense today, tomorrow or for the next 3 years. There were just so many solid prospects out there who could have contributed immediately and be potential starters with a couple of years. With that pick we could have take Fiedorowicz TE, Marcus Martin C, Crichton DE, etc. Even a WR at that spot would have been preferable IMHO ( and you all know how I feel about WR's in this draft ;) ). So instead of a player who might actually play a few significant snaps before 2017, we get a guy who most significant contribution the next 3 years will be to play the "athletic QB" on scout teams, and to bring Brady is coffee for the QB meetings. :rolleyes:

Christ if they felt the need to pick a QB this year, they could have had their choice of some great ones much later on. Logan Thomas would have made much more sense because he probably needs 3 years to develop and in the meantime he could have at least played on ST's or become a TE.

This pick might make just a LITTLE sense if the Pats somehow trade Mallett for a 2015 pick before the season starts. But as of now it makes no sense at all, even on a roster basis. We now need an extra roster space for a QB, which means its likely that one of the offensive linemen we drafted will be cut because we will only be able to carry 8 OLmen instead of the 9 we'd carry if we only had 2 QB's on the 53 man roster.

5. As for the rest of the draft, who knows. We have gotten some very good value at the bottom of the roster recently, But as of this moment, they are all just camp fodder until proven differently. I will be surprised if more than 4 of these picks make the 53 man roster. I only expect 2 to eventually be full time starters (Easly and Stork) by the 2015 season.

BOTTOM LINE - My excitement about Easly can't overcome the lack of an addition of a significant other pick in this draft. Beyond my HOPE that Stork can become the starting C in another year, I really doubt that any of the rest of these picks will ever be more than back up players on this team. Grade C-

BTW- The draft is one one aspect of the team building process, and while, except for Easly, this draft was a big disappointment, I remain EXTREMELY excited and optimistic about the 2014 version of our New England Patriots
Love the section on garrapalo being taken second with all the top quality picks that could contribute Now.
 
I don't get why the QB pick confuses people and is being disagreed with.

It really is simple logic.

We're blinded by our love for Brady. It's all well and good him saying he wants to play on in to his 40s but, realistically, he has two or three years. Let's not kid ourselves about it.

Next year we will likely lose Mallett. If, all of a sudden, Brady suffers a serious injury (a la Manning) and we don't have a viable backup with more than months worth of experience, we'd be screwed.

To cap it off, if Brady retires or starts declining to a point we need to look elsewhere, I don't want to be picking the trash in free agency or panic drafting in the first round.

We need to know who Brady's successor is..or at least that they have our future in mind. This pick solidifies that. No one is mocking the Packers for picking Aaron Rodgers when they did anymore...
 
I'm unsure about Garropolo, haven't looked at much of his tape. Easley could have a real impact, if he can stay fit. I think Stork & Halapio are good, aggressive additions to the OL and James White is a pass catching, sure handed, good blocking, chain mover.

The large number of players on our roster who are injury prone or coming off a serious injury is concerning though. Off the top of my head Amendola, Boyce, Dobson, Edelman, Gronkowski, Vollmer, Solder, Cannon, Easley, Halapio, Harrison, Armstead, Kelly, Wilfork, Mayo, Smith and Revis all have either a history of being injury prone or are coming off serious injuries. There's a lot of projected starters in that list.
 
I like the QB pick. It will take virtually any QB more than one season of development before he will play, and before he can be thoroughly evaluated. Therefore, any QB who is drafted will not contribute right away. If you argue that the pick is wasted because he won't play right away, you cannot draft a QB as long as Brady is here because the pick will be "wasted" because we could have taken another player who might contribute right away. And if we wait until Brady is gone to draft his replacement, then we are headed for the cellar without a quality player at the most important position (the Polian approach). If you knew for sure that drafting another player would get you a championship, you could defend the Polian approach, but you can never know that. The pick could turn out to be Chad Jackson. Or he could turn out to be a superstar and you could still lose the Super Bowl. BB has stated often he manages the team to be consistently competitive. Tough to argue with his approach.
 
I'm unsure about Garropolo, haven't looked at much of his tape. Easley could have a real impact, if he can stay fit. I think Stork & Halapio are good, aggressive additions to the OL and James White is a pass catching, sure handed, good blocking, chain mover.

The large number of players on our roster who are injury prone or coming off a serious injury is concerning though. Off the top of my head Amendola, Boyce, Dobson, Edelman, Gronkowski, Vollmer, Solder, Cannon, Easley, Halapio, Harrison, Armstead, Kelly, Wilfork, Mayo, Smith and Revis all have either a history of being injury prone or are coming off serious injuries. There's a lot of projected starters in that list.

The large number of injuries is more a function of the violence of football than anything else. It is almost inevitable that Brady could again be added to that list. Having depth and contingency plans makes the team better. Getting younger overall tends to reduce the injury risk. More than finding starters to surround Brady, this draft was about getting younger backups and role player who, developmentally, will be groomed to step in if needed. A winning team can better afford such patience. The Patriots are the worst place for Garropalo to go in terms of expected playing time from his perspective but he is one of the best kind of depth players for a team like the Patriots. This is probably more important than drafting a tight end, purely from a need perspective, where talent at that position isn't as strong as in other years. Perhaps they will better address that need in the next draft.
 
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