Pats backroom let down Brady AGAIN

Brady6 said:

Halapio and Stork are not premier talents by any stretch of the imagination, and neither is a lock to make the final roster in my opinion.

The Patriots failure was adding JG with #62, that pick was not necessary, in my opinion JG will not be the heir apparent to Brady, and will not be a starting QB at the NFL level, we used #62 on a career backup. We could have added a first round talent in a draft this deep at #62 and JG was not a first round talent.

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Thank you for your insights, Nostradamus. You have no clue how these guys will pan out, and I daresay everybody on this message board hopes you are wrong.

I too, am curious. How do you add "a first round talent in a draft this deep at #62?" Try as I might, I can't find a single first round pick among the selections from #62 through Mr. Irrelevant on the draft board this year, or any other year, in any sport.

shmessy said:

The first part of your sentence is your opinion and you're entitled to it.

The second part is simply you talking out of your endzone:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brandon-bolden-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/james-white-2.html

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My mistake.

patsfan13 said:

Well the offseason and draft are an opportunity to see what BB thinks of last years #3 scoring Offense (in spite of injuries and youth at the skill positions).

A couple of things. We can now infer that BB was satisfied that he has the WR's on the roster that the O needs to be successful.

That instead of a pure H back like AH we will use Fells/Harrison in an Hback role. Fells was effective in this role against NE last years, sorta like Welker killing us in Miami before BB signed him.

The biggest issues for the O was TB not being n sync with rookies and new weapons that won't be an issue this year only 1 new player in the mix (Fells) for TB to get in sync with.

I will predict that barring lots of injuries we will be the #1 or 2 O in the league and well equipped to win in the playoffs.

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Fells has not been on the team for awhile.

(I know, I know - - you meant Lafell)

goheels22002 said:

Thank you for your insights, Nostradamus. You have no clue how these guys will pan out, and I daresay everybody on this message board hopes you are wrong.

I too, am curious. How do you add "a first round talent in a draft this deep at #62?" Try as I might, I can't find a single first round pick among the selections from #62 through Mr. Irrelevant on the draft board this year, or any other year, in any sport.

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Heels, you do not know if the picks will work out either yet you sit here and talk them up, but you refer to me as Nostradamus for saying something differing, hypercritical much.

Here are some players who would have been day one picks in any other draft.
Morgan Mosses
Marcus Martin
Louis Nix
Donte Moncrief
Scott Crichton

Triumph said:

Vereens a 3rd down RB. How many does McDaniels need? Bolden can contribute on 3rd down.

TE is weak. WR is questionable hoping that Almendola can stay healthy and that the 3 rookie WRs improve. If Gronk does not stay healty, the gameplan hasnt changed to defend the NE dink and dunk offense.

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They could have used two 3rd down RBs last year. In 2012, the Pats had both Vereen and Woodhead and they had one of the highest scoring offenses in league history and both played significant roles.

Offense Ranks Last Season
Scoring- #3
Yards- #7

Times Brady was sacked- 40 .

Most since 2001 when he was sacked 41 times. In fact if you take out those two years he has only been sacked on avg 26.2 times a season

Brady doesn't need great receivers he just needs that extra second or two in the pocket.

JMC00 said:

Offense Ranks Last Season
Scoring- #3
Yards- #7

Times Brady was sacked- 40 (Most since 2001 when he was sacked 41 times. In fact if you take out those two years he has only been sacked on avg 26.2 times a season)

Brady doesn't need great receivers he just need that extra second or two in the pocket.

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At last! Someone who gets it!

For those who keep comparing us to Seattle and how their WR were great around Russell Wilson....
Look at their WR corps last year: Tate, Baldwin, Kearse, Rice (iR'd), Harvin (played two games), LOckette.....

They have MUCH less talent at WR than we do. How did they win it all? a great defense and a QB that had time to throw and given that time the WRs who really aren't that talented, got open and they made the throws.

Brady overthrew two bombs in last years championship game and the one to JE was seven points missed. Also on the big 4th down try late in the game, Mank and Wendell let that DT blow right by them and screwed Brady.

Russell Wilson was given time to make and complete all the big throws while his defense did a great job making his life easier.

That is our team this year. Defense. and Good WR that will make the year 2 jump and Brady will have time to throw

The best gift (i.e. help) an organization can give a qb is a dominant O-line. Look what good "all-pro" weapons did Manning in the Superbowl when he was running for his life.

Why do we NEED a TE? The one we had in 2007 ( I use 2007 as my example because everyone like to think we are gonna build that again) didn't use a TE at all.

Look at our TEs before Gronk and Hern: Watson, Graham, Fauria (main ones).

We are all spoiled to see Gronk and Hern on the same field with a great QB. It spoiled us.

I think getting another great TE would be a luxury. We don't need a TE, we just a BIG MISMATCH THREAT in the red zone. Whether that be a TE or maybe a Dobson or LaFell or Harrison or even just Hooman.

JMC00 said:

Offense Ranks Last Season
Scoring- #3
Yards- #7

Times Brady was sacked- 40 (Most since 2001 when he was sacked 41 times. In fact if you take out those two years he has only been sacked on avg 26.2 times a season)

Brady doesn't need great receivers he just need that extra second or two in the pocket.

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It really is not about what the offense has for weapons and does not have for weapons. The question is whether you were happy with the draft picks made by the Patriots this year. What the offensive ranks were last year make no difference to that determination.

English Patriot said:

Did they not get the memo? Tom needs help! Forehead over in Denver is throwing to all pros but once again when needing to get receiving help Brady will be asked to throw to UFA rookies like Kenbrell Thompkins for miracle game winning TD's.

They had stud tight ends and abundance of good college receivers sitting there at every pick waiting to be taken but instead decide to take a player that could have been had later on.

They must be expecting some serious year 2 jumps from what they already have and think Amendola is going to REALLY turn into Welker this time because without even knowing if Gronk will be 100% ready to go they did nothing in free agency to help and nothing in the draft either.

So what's the master plan now? Dustin Keller? The dude whose leg bent in half less than a year ago?

What a let down once again, but it's OK right? Tom is Tom and will find a way won't he. Pathetic if you ask me.

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Great rant. While I don't think the TEs were studs, your point largely remains. It was a very suspect draft, and a lot of prospects that people expect could help a team like NE were passed over for more questionable prospects or for prospects at more questionable positions.

Brady6 said:

It really is not about what the offense has for weapons and does not have for weapons. The question is whether you were happy with the draft picks made by the Patriots this year. What the offensive ranks were last year make no difference to that determination.

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I'm very happy with the positions drafted, I don't know enough about evaluating talent to know whether those players were the best at their positions available when the pats drafted (although Stork did win the award for best center, that has to mean something), but I am very happy that those positions were drafted.

The Patriots had a very good offense last year despite two of their three or four top weapons missing most of the season.

There's no such thing as Gronk insurance. He's a singular player. You can't build a team assuming that arguably your best player gets hurt. Dustin Keller, if fully healthy, is a better player than any of the tight ends available in the 2nd round of this year's draft.

The two tight end scheme was an accident more than a design, the result of drafting two exceptionally talented players at one position in the greatest tight end draft of all-time. Unfortunately, one happened to be a murderous sociopath. He and Wes Welker, who were essentially dual slot receivers, have been replaced by Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman. Yes, those guys are much smaller than Hernandez, but they're filling the same role in the passing game (Kevin Faulk, pre-Hernandez, filled a somewhat similar role).

Hopefully the injury bug won't bite this year. Often, winning in the NFL is a result more of who's the healthiest than who's the best on opening day. And that's almost entirely due to luck.

I think concentrating on defense and the offensive line was exactly what the Patriots needed to do. Keeping Brady upright is more important than giving him another young question mark as a receiver. Also, the positions drafted this year are all those where guys can actually come in and start. I don't know next to anything about the guys who were drafted, but I'm happy with Easley and optimistic about the rest of them. Spray and pray with a bunch of picks is, on average, a more effective draft strategy than picking up a bunch of marquee names.

I'm ambivalent about the Garropolo pick. I haven't watched him play and I doubt any faux-scouts on this board have either. From reading about him, he seems to have a ton of talent and he's in a good situation to develop his talent, and Mallett will be gone next year so this was the year to grab a backup to Brady. I think we're still a few years away from worrying about Brady's heir apparent, but you never know - one freak injury is all it takes.

AndyJohnson said:

So your argument is if the guys we are relying on (who can play) don't come through, we are in trouble so we should have gone out and got other guys to rely on, particularly rookies, because last year we relied on rookies and that was stupid?

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There's a difference between having a rookie as depth in case your vets get injured and having rookies as your primary targets.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Oh, BTW, that terrible, horrible offense still managed to finish third in the NFL in scoring last year, and that's even when you take out defensive scores.

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It's a finesse offense that has consistently failed in the playoffs. We used to bash the Colts fans for talking up their regular season offense that would die in the playoffs.

Snake Eyes said:

It's a finesse offense that has consistently failed in the playoffs. We used to bash the Colts fans for talking up their regular season offense that would die in the playoffs.

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Odd because you doom and gloomers have railed on about how it was the defense that has failed them in the playoffs.

Snake Eyes said:

It's a finesse offense that has consistently failed in the playoffs. We used to bash the Colts fans for talking up their regular season offense that would die in the playoffs.

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Finesse offense? 2013 Patriots was 9th in Rushing ATT, 9th in Rushing Yrds, and 2nd in Rushing TDs. Sound more like a physical team than finesse.

JMC00 said:

Odd because you doom and gloomers have railed on about how it was the defense that has failed them in the playoffs.

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Please tell me where I said that, if you can't than you shouldn't lump me in with other posters. The defense failed but the offense also failed to put up points in the playoffs, as they have for years.

Like it or not, they're a finesse team built for the regular reason.

skspikex2 said:

Finesse offense? 2013 Patriots was 9th in Rushing ATT, 9th in Rushing Yrds, and 2nd in Rushing TDs. Sound more like a physical team than finesse.

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A physical team can run when they want to run, when the defense knows it's coming and still can't stop it. That's what physical means, you can impose your will on your opponent.

How did running work against the Broncos?