Report: Mallett not going to be traded

AndyJohnson said:

What does that have to do with whether the Texans picked a TE in the 3rd round because a team they may want to make a trade with likes him? You are reaching far.

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Absolutely nothing! I never linked them drafting Fedorowicz to this particular point. Not reaching at all. I never made that point. I am saying that the Texans are not necessarily going to anoint Mallett as the starter if they trade for him especially if they drafted Garoppolo with the third round pick.

In your scenario Mallett was being traded on draft day for an opportunity to start, and a 3rd round pick was on the table, and he said I won't extend my contract, because you can trade a pick next year for me. Thats just silly.

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In my scenario, Mallett was being traded for THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE FOR A STARTING JOB. I never said the third round pick was on the table. I am saying the Texans were going to use that third round pick on Garoppolo. I am saying once he was gone, that that third round pick was then on the table because their Plan A was gone and the Pats gained leverage in the trade.

Mallet has no leverage at all. The Patriots can just keep him on the bench and the Texans can play one of their other QBs or go get someone else.

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That isn't true. The Texans need a starter now more than they did yesterday. Mallett has some leverage. He isn't asking for a seven figure signing bonuses. He just wants his extension structured that he will be released if he is not the starter going into 2015.

Again, Matt Flynn has nothing to do with this.
Are you seriously telling me that you are considering 'reports' about Mallet being fact?
How do you distinguish which ones are facts and which are not when they all conflict with each other?

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Matt Flynn is an example of a situation that Mallett could have been facing if the Texans drafted Garoppolo. To say it isn't a possibility is just ignorant. If Garoppolo outplayed Mallett in the preseason like Wilson did to Flynn, you are saying there is no way that O'Brien would start him over Mallett?

As for what is fact and what is BS rumor, we do not know. But all we have to go on is what is being reported. And what was reported was the following things:

• The Pats were not going to trade Mallett before they drafted his replacement
• The Texans were going to draft a QB with Garoppolo being the target
• Mallett was not necessarily being looked at as the solution at QB or even the guaranteed starter

What is is true, we will probably never know.

With that said, I am done. We are just going around in circles on this. I will give you the last word. If you pose something new to discuss on this issue, I will respond. But I think we are starting to just repurpose the same argument over and over again.

Rob0729 said:

My guess is the Pats will trade Mallett for Fedorowicz. I have a feeling that the Texans drafted him because they knew the Pats wanted him and since the trade wasn't worked out by the time they picked, they selected the player the Pats wanted to make it a defacto pick trade (ala when the Giants drafted Rivers to trade for Manning).

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is it too late to make this trade???

Wilfork#75 said:

I think a conditional 2015 pick for Mallett makes the most sense, have the compensation be related to his success. Something like:

Cut before start of the season- 6th
On the roster, doesn't start a game- 5th
Starts 1+ game- 4th
Starts 6+ games- 3rd
Starts 10+ games- 2nd
Starts 10+ games and Houston makes the playoffs- 1st

This way if Mallett is a bust Houston hasn't given up too much. If Mallett is a legitimate starter then they get fair compensation. If this were the case I would be feeling pretty good because Houston looks like a team that is going to rebound very well in 2014 and could definitely make the playoffs, especially if Mallett is a solid guy. Their defense could be elite and they have weapons on offense.

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I think conceptually, you're in the right ballpark. I just don't think the Texans would, or should, give up a 1st under any scenario. They'd just wait till next year and sign him for nothing, than agree to a deal where they'd give up a 1st. I hope and pray they would agree to give up a 1st, but I think that a 2nd would be the limit, and a 3rd is most likely as compensation. But I do think the framework you posted makes a ton of sense.

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I think it would be in Mallet's best interests to sign the 1 year extension with Houston, and allow the trade to happen. I get why he'd want to be a free agent, and pick his spot, but he'd still be in his mid 20's in 2 years, and he might not find a situation as promising as Houston will be this year. A team in need of a long term answer at QB, with an opportunity to win a job now, with a coach that both knows, and believes in you, that has a beast like Andre Johnson to toss the pill to. I think his best option is to go to Houston and sign the 1 year extension.

AndyJohnson said:

We don't but your argument is now hinging on the opinion that Mallet is afraid to get an opportunity to play.

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I will respond to this because it is new and then I am out. Mallett may not be afraid of the opportunity to start, but he doesn't want to trade one back up job for another. If Mallett isn't sure that O'Brien isn't drafting him as insurance that their draft pick QB of the future isn't ready to start day one, it is could be a worse situation than it is just backing up Brady here. Not only would he be an extra year away from free agency, but he would not be able to win the starting job in two locations. Competing against Brady is not a black mark, against a second or third round rookie QB it is a bigger deal.

Not all opportunities to start are as good as being the back up. Next year, he will have options of where he can go if he stays here. His opportunity to compete for a starting job in Houston (at least at this time yesterday) may be more in theory than reality because if the Texans drafted Garoppolo yesterday, he might have been given every opportunity to get the starting job over Mallett. Who knows though?

Now I am done.

The CBA says
A Club may not assign the exclusive negotiating rights to a
Drafted Rookie to another Club if such new Club does not have Room under its YearOne
Rookie Allocation equal to at least the original Year-One Minimum Allotment for
the player multiplied by the Total Rookie Compensation Pool. The New Club will not
receive any additional Room in its Year-One Rookie Allocation or Total Rookie Allocation.

Rob0729 said:

Absolutely nothing! I never linked them drafting Fedorowicz to this particular point. Not reaching at all. I never made that point. I am saying that the Texans are not necessarily going to anoint Mallett as the starter if they trade for him especially if they drafted Garoppolo with the third round pick.

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Nobody ever said they would. Personally I think he would back up Fitzpatrick.
You don't make promises to a fringe player you trade a 3rd round pick for.

In my scenario, Mallett was being traded for THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPETE FOR A STARTING JOB. I never said the third round pick was on the table.

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This entire discussion has been about you saying that the Texans were going to trade us the 3rd for Mallet but it couldn't get done becuase Mallet had to agree to an extension and was balking so they took the TE and are going to trade him to us for Mallet.

I am saying the Texans were going to use that third round pick on Garoppolo. I am saying once he was gone, that that third round pick was then on the table because their Plan A was gone and the Pats gained leverage in the trade.

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This just makes no sense.

That isn't true. The Texans need a starter now more than they did yesterday.

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How? They have the same team.

Mallett has some leverage. He isn't asking for a seven figure signing bonuses. He just wants his extension structured that he will be released if he is not the starter going into 2015.

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Then he can sit behind Brady while the Texans look at other options.
He should be begging for the chance to be traded, not making demands.

Matt Flynn is an example of a situation that Mallett could have been facing if the Texans drafted Garoppolo. To say it isn't a possibility is just ignorant. If Garoppolo outplayed Mallett in the preseason like Wilson did to Flynn, you are saying there is no way that O'Brien would start him over Mallett?

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The Texans didn't draft Garapollo the Patriots did. How could them wanting to draft Garapollo but not have anything to do with Mallett not wanted to get traded after the fact?
This scenario is ridiculous because your argument is we unofficially traded him for their 3rd and are just waiting for Mallet to agree to an extension and you are arguing he won't because they could go back in time and pick Garapollo.

As for what is fact and what is BS rumor, we do not know. But all we have to go on is what is being reported. And what was reported was the following things:

• The Pats were not going to trade Mallett before they drafted his replacement
• The Texans were going to draft a QB with Garoppolo being the target
• Mallett was not necessarily being looked at as the solution at QB or even the guaranteed starter

What is is true, we will probably never know.

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Which is why those wild guesses at what was going on have no value and should be left out of the discussion not offered as fact as you did.

With that said, I am done. We are just going around in circles on this. I will give you the last word. If you pose something new to discuss on this issue, I will respond. But I think we are starting to just repurpose the same argument over and over again.

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You are correct there. My last word is that the point of this discussion was your conspiracy theory that Mallet will be traded for the TE and Houston only picked him to trade him to us, and nothing in all of this exchange gives me any reason to accept that theory.

Rob0729 said:

I will respond to this because it is new and then I am out. Mallett may not be afraid of the opportunity to start, but he doesn't want to trade one back up job for another. If Mallett isn't sure that O'Brien isn't drafting him as insurance that their draft pick QB of the future isn't ready to start day one, it is could be a worse situation than it is just backing up Brady here. Not only would he be an extra year away from free agency, but he would not be able to win the starting job in two locations. Competing against Brady is not a black mark, against a second or third round rookie QB it is a bigger deal.

Not all opportunities to start are as good as being the back up. Next year, he will have options of where he can go if he stays here. His opportunity to compete for a starting job in Houston (at least at this time yesterday) may be more in theory than reality because if the Texans drafted Garoppolo yesterday, he might have been given every opportunity to get the starting job over Mallett. Who knows though?

Now I am done.

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They didnt draft a QB.
I dont buy that Mallet would rather sit and be a FA who has never played in 2015 instead of having a chance to play in 14 and 15 and being a FA in 16.
All he will get as a FA is a chance, no one is handing him a starting job next year either.

I would say that there was a possibility that once the Patriots drafted Garap that Mallet could have been traded for the Texan first round pick. But, the honest truth is that Mallet just isn't that good.

He is a slow decision maker, slow release, slow footed......and no real NFL experience.

It does not appear that anyone has offered what we want for Mallet.
At this point IF Mallet is ever traded it will probably be for a conditional pick in next years draft. It may not happen now but could happen if a team suffers a QB injury in pre-season.

I think mallet will be cut by the end of camp

patsfan-1982 said:

I think mallet will be cut by the end of camp

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I agree with this 100% (assuming the Patriots cannot actually make a deal). I understand the reasoning of those saying Mallett should be happy signing an extension in Houston and competing for a job, but I do not think that is the wise course of action. If I was Mallett, I would take whatever came this year then be a UFA next year. And I would do so knowing there was a good chance I could be a UFA before this year starts.

SB39 said:

I agree with this 100% (assuming the Patriots cannot actually make a deal). I understand the reasoning of those saying Mallett should be happy signing an extension in Houston and competing for a job, but I do not think that is the wise course of action. If I was Mallett, I would take whatever came this year then be a UFA next year. And I would do so knowing there was a good chance I could be a UFA before this year starts.

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You speak as if there would be a market for him as a UFA.

patsfan-1982 said:

I think mallet will be cut by the end of camp

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That would suck, especially after hearing reports of us looking for a 2 and spending a 3 on him. I wonder what the actual legitimate offers really were. On the other hand if Bill thinks JG can handle BU duties and we don't carry 3 QB's again I guess that would be OK.

Of course he would probably wind up on the Jest if that were to happen. Douchebag Rex wouldn't be able to find him a pen fast enough.

patsfan-1982 said:

I think mallet will be cut by the end of camp

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I don't. The Patriots will carry three Quarterbacks this season and Mallett will leave of his own accord at the end of the 2014 season.

I expect that Mallett will be gone before the seasons starts. It just doesn't sense for us to carry Mallett just to get a hoped for comp pick in 2016. We might as well trade him for a 2015 or 2016 conditional pick now.

We all have our guesses with regard to the value of Mallett on the open market. Well, we can test it for the next weeks and months.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mallett traded in the next month.
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As an aside, I would also hope that Keller is signed in the next month.

mgteich said:

I expect that Mallett will be gone before the seasons starts. It just doesn't sense for us to carry Mallett just to get a hoped for comp pick in 2016.

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I hardly think Belichick is concerned about a low round comp pick (possibility) for our backup QB two years down the road.

What does make all the sense in the world is keeping Mallett for this year until JG actually can pick up 1/10th of the playbook and the offense's finer nuances. How in the world would you feel comfortable with JG as the backup this upcoming season?

I don't see what the big deal is about keeping a 3rd QB every now and then. We keep an extra player or two at different positions all the time, and in this situation it seems like a no brainer.

mgteich said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see Mallett traded in the next month.

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It's just never going to stop...

It just continues on and on and on and on.

You'd think that after the draft came and went, things would die down. I imagine that some people will continue to beat this drum well into the summer. "As soon as someone's QB goes down, they'll be beating the phones trying to get Mallett." I can hear it already.

I'll let this go until Mallett is gone. The patriots were discussing trade with HOU as late as yesterday morning. In any case, for me, the choice is between a 9th OL and a 3rd QB, and I choose a 9th OL.
But no, it is NOT a big deal to me if we keep Mallett until the day before the season starts or even into the season.

HOWEVER, I do NOT want to see Mallett playing in a preseason game. Garrapolo needs the reps.

supafly said:

I hardly think Belichick is concerned about a low round comp pick (possibility) for our backup QB two years down the road.

What does make all the sense in the world is keeping Mallett for this year until JG actually can pick up 1/10th of the playbook and the offense's finer nuances. How in the world would you feel comfortable with JG as the backup this upcoming season?

I don't see what the big deal is about keeping a 3rd QB every now and then. We keep an extra player or two at different positions all the time, and in this situation it seems like a no brainer.



It's just never going to stop...

It just continues on and on and on and on.

You'd think that after the draft came and went, things would die down. I imagine that some people will continue to beat this drum well into the summer. "As soon as someone's QB goes down, they'll be beating the phones trying to get Mallett." I can hear it already.

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mgteich said:

I'll let this go until Mallett is gone. The patriots were discussing trade with HOU as late as yesterday morning.

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Not according to the Texans GM, they weren't. I suppose it depends on who/what you believe.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...with-patriots-for-qb-ryan-mallett/#23126101=0

Bill Belichick's comments on Friday night weren't exactly difficult to decipher, at least in my opinion. "Well, go ask them then, if they know everything," (in reference to the reports) shows me some annoyance with the whole rumor.

You know much better than to trust the official statements of GM's with regard to trade discussions, or lack thereof.

In the end, it doesn't matter much. The situation has changed. We both drafted a quarterback.

supafly said:

Not according to the Texans GM, they weren't. I suppose it depends on who/what you believe.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexan...with-patriots-for-qb-ryan-mallett/#23126101=0

Bill Belichick's comments on Friday night weren't exactly difficult to decipher, at least in my opinion. "Well, go ask them then, if they know everything," (in reference to the reports) shows me some annoyance with the whole rumor.

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