Trading to fill needs?

ripatsfan91 said:

With the draft being so deep, it would make the most sense to go into the draft with the fewest needs possible so that we can pick the BPA or players that would put us over the top. I would love to add Ryan Shazier to this team, but #29 might be rich when we have bigger needs at OG/OC, SS, DE, and TE.

We need LB depth (another cover backer) and another pass rusher. Two names that have interested me that are apparently available are Zach Brown LB Titans and Brandon Graham LB/DE Eagles.

Graham's fit is questionable because he is pretty small to play a 4-3 DE, but he could serve as that situational pass rusher we need. Brown would be an ideal fit IMO. He may not be good enough to be a starter, but he could easily fill the Dane Fletcher role. He would also serve as the perfect coverage backer.

It wouldn't take much to acquire these guys IMO. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

ripatsfan91 said:

With the draft being so deep, it would make the most sense to go into the draft with the fewest needs possible so that we can pick the BPA or players that would put us over the top. I would love to add Ryan Shazier to this team, but #29 might be rich when we have bigger needs at OG/OC, SS, DE, and TE.

We need LB depth (another cover backer) and another pass rusher. Two names that have interested me that are apparently available are Zach Brown LB Titans and Brandon Graham LB/DE Eagles.

Graham's fit is questionable because he is pretty small to play a 4-3 DE, but he could serve as that situational pass rusher we need. Brown would be an ideal fit IMO. He may not be good enough to be a starter, but he could easily fill the Dane Fletcher role. He would also serve as the perfect coverage backer.

It wouldn't take much to acquire these guys IMO. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

Big-T said:

Zach Brown? Isn't he the guy some people on here suggested could be moved to Safety if the Pats were to draft him? He is 248lbs though having just checked so it might not be the guy I'm thinking about.

Click to expand...

ripatsfan91 said:

With the draft being so deep, it would make the most sense to go into the draft with the fewest needs possible so that we can pick the BPA or players that would put us over the top. I would love to add Ryan Shazier to this team, but #29 might be rich when we have bigger needs at OG/OC, SS, DE, and TE.

We need LB depth (another cover backer) and another pass rusher. Two names that have interested me that are apparently available are Zach Brown LB Titans and Brandon Graham LB/DE Eagles.

Graham's fit is questionable because he is pretty small to play a 4-3 DE, but he could serve as that situational pass rusher we need. Brown would be an ideal fit IMO. He may not be good enough to be a starter, but he could easily fill the Dane Fletcher role. He would also serve as the perfect coverage backer.

It wouldn't take much to acquire these guys IMO. Thoughts?

Click to expand...

DW Toys said:

Cousin, As we lost some opportunities that we think were there and some we might not even know in the FA market, I think Jared Allen was affordable and would have made this Team better. Who would deny that. That was a miss. Nicks at the price the Colts paid was a steal. We still need a #1 WR.
BB has done very well in trades. Another few names to put out ans some I have mentioned before:

Justin Blackmon WR is only 25. If he stops the alcohol issues, he can be an elite WR in this league. Cris Carter did it. The Jags loose him for at least the first four games (like Browner) and they have quoted Blackmon as a "luxury" for them with what he may or may not give them. In my opinion a fourth rounder might spring him.
I hope the Pats are not done at WR. They have not done enough. But they have other holes more important to shore up. This kid could be a #1 WR in the NFL.

Vinny Curry DE is also only 25. He is misfit for the 3-4 they run. In the Pats 4-3 he would be a superb rotation DE with Ninkovich and Jones tht desperately need. He had 5 sacks in 2013 in a back up role. The Eagles have thrown him out there as available. He is 6'3" and 266. He had BB 3 Cone time of 6.90. A pick or maybe a trade would get the former second rounder.

I am curious as to why the Pats don't use Nink at a MLB and Hightower as the DE. At 6'4" and 270, Hightower is not as nimble as the smaller Nink at 6'2"and 260. Add Curry to that mix.

Eric Berry SS is another 25 year old. The rumors are out that K.C. needs Draft picks and Berry is a potential CAP problem. "The Chiefs have salary cap problems, and Berry has primarily been used as a "box safety" in his career. Berry has a cap number of $20 million over the next two years, a huge total for someone that isn't asked to excel in coverage." Fact is Berry can cover. At 6' and 211 and 4.4 speed he had 10 PD last year and 3 INTs to go with 73 tackles. It has been mentioned as a possibility that K.C. might trade or seek CAP relief from him. Where there is smoke there is fire. Think of this. Revis, Browner, McCourty and Berry?

It might cost us a Ryan Logan or at the least a Dennard and a pick. Our would you give our #29 pick in the first to K.C. for Berry?

These above are trades BB is good at.

Thoughts?
DW Toys

Click to expand...

DW Toys said:

I think Jared Allen was affordable and would have made this Team better. Who would deny that. That was a miss.

Click to expand...

DW Toys said:

I am curious as to why the Pats don't use Nink at a MLB and Hightower as the DE.

Click to expand...

DW Toys said:

Eric Berry SS is another 25 year old. The rumors are out that K.C. needs Draft picks and Berry is a potential CAP problem. "The Chiefs have salary cap problems, and Berry has primarily been used as a "box safety" in his career. Berry has a cap number of $20 million over the next two years, a huge total for someone that isn't asked to excel in coverage." Fact is Berry can cover. At 6' and 211 and 4.4 speed he had 10 PD last year and 3 INTs to go with 73 tackles. It has been mentioned as a possibility that K.C. might trade or seek CAP relief from him. Where there is smoke there is fire. Think of this. Revis, Browner, McCourty and Berry?

Click to expand...

JackBauer said:

You'll notice we haven't re-upped McCourty yet. So if the plan is to ultimately sink eleventy million dollars into the safety position, sign me up!

Click to expand...

ripatsfan91 said:

I would love to add Ryan Shazier to this team, but #29 might be rich when we have bigger needs at OG/OC, SS, DE, and TE.

Click to expand...

patchick said:

I guess I'm in the minority, but IMO Shazier is far more of a need pick than a 4-3 DE. To fill the roles associated with an edge rusher/edge setter you can potentially turn to Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Michael Buchanan, Dont'a Hightower, Armond Armstead, and Jamie Collins. To fill the roles associated with a fast LB/S tweener you have...who? Shazier might not look like a "starter" if you made a traditional depth chart based on a 4-3-4 alignment, but I think he would see a ton of snaps even as a rookie.

Meanwhile I don't see a single player at OG, OC, 4-3 DE or TE who is likely to be available at #29 and who I consider a first-round talent for the Patriots.

Click to expand...

patchick said:

I guess I'm in the minority, but IMO Shazier is far more of a need pick than a 4-3 DE. To fill the roles associated with an edge rusher/edge setter you can potentially turn to Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, Michael Buchanan, Dont'a Hightower, Armond Armstead, and Jamie Collins. To fill the roles associated with a fast LB/S tweener you have...who? Shazier might not look like a "starter" if you made a traditional depth chart based on a 4-3-4 alignment, but I think he would see a ton of snaps even as a rookie.

Meanwhile I don't see a single player at OG, OC, 4-3 DE or TE who is likely to be available at #29 and who I consider a first-round talent for the Patriots.

Click to expand...

1. Is Ryan moving to safety?
2. Is Collins ready to be a starting LB?
3. Is Wilfork going to be able to at least anchor against the run?

7/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $34 million guaranteed. An annual $300,000 workout bonus is available in years two through five.
2014: $8.417 million,
2015: $5.155 million (Voidable Year)
2016: Free Agent

Click to expand...

patchick said:

I guess I'm in the minority, but IMO Shazier is far more of a need pick than a 4-3 DE. To fill the roles associated with an edge rusher/edge setter you can potentially turn to Chandler Jones, Rob Ninkovich, MAYBE Michael Buchanan, Dont'a Hightower, Armond Armstead, and Jamie Collins. Jones and Ninko are the only 2 quality edge rushers, Buchanan has potential but cannot be relied on to be #3 right now, Armstead is an interior guy who may or may not turn out and Hightower and Collins are LBs not DEs. To fill the roles associated with a fast LB/S tweener you have...who? For LB we have Mayo, Hightower and Collins, of those Collins is the LB/S tweener as you call it, Shazier IMHO won't displace Collins as a rookie if ever, we still need a backup though. Shazier might not look like a "starter" if you made a traditional depth chart based on a 4-3-4 alignment, but I think he would see a ton of snaps even as a rookie.

Meanwhile I don't see a single player at OG, OC, 4-3 DE or TE who is likely to be available at #29 and who I consider a first-round talent for the Patriots.

Click to expand...