Brandon Spikes pokes the bear

BradyFTW! said:

Hold it against meaning that I don't hold anyone alive today responsible for something that happened to my ancestors a century and a half ago. I understand my history and respect my ancestors for what they went through, but the fact that someone else a few branches back on my family tree went through some terrible things doesn't give me any stake in it. Trying to co-opt their suffering to make some point over how terrible I have it today because I'm not as rich as I'd like to be would just be disrespectful to them.



To each their own, though. There are plenty of people of Irish descent who don't have a problem with that, and clearly there are people like Spikes who don't think it's an insult to their ancestors to compare 'only' making millions of dollars to the life of slavery that they went through. I think he and anyone like him is a dip**** for making that comparison, but clearly his standards are different.

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The civil rights movement was 50 years ago. There are people alive today who fought for and against equality. My grandmother went to rally's in NYC. That's one generation.

All that is a result of slavery. If blacks were equal from the get go than that's not the case. When it all ended, They didn't get on a boat and cross the ocean for a new life they moved down the road and were tormented.

But again there are things happening today that are a clear result of the genesis of blacks in this country. Namely the demonizing of black youth.

Deus Irae said:

What does any of what you're posting have to do with Spikes and his tweet?

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It was originally a response to chasa getting upset about a black guy referencing slavery.

Spikes is trolling. What's there to say.

Edit: didn't think the discussion BradyFTW and I were having was that bad but sorry if I derailed the thread. BFTW feel free to PM me if you still wanna talk.

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Guys he wasn't saying he's literally a slave so you can stop posting about how real slaves didn't get paid hope this helps

Well, there should be no more questions about why he wasn't on the playoff roster or be a part of this years team. It seems tweeting is more important than winning football games.

What kind of slave gets thousands in signing bonuses?

grux said:

Well, there should be no more questions about why he wasn't on the playoff roster or be a part of this years team. It seems tweeting is more important than winning football games.

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What NFL game did he skip to make these tweets?

primetime said:

Guys he wasn't saying he's literally a slave so you can stop posting about how real slaves didn't get paid hope this helps

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I agree with you that people can get too caught up in the comments of players, but he did tweet #4 years a slave, which is obviously a crack at the popular Oscar award winning film 12 yrs a slave.

Slavery is obviously a controversial topic that is going to piss a lot of people off, so I can understand those that are. Getting paid millions of dollars to play a sport is nothing remotely comparable to getting beaten and forced to do hard, physical labor; and that's not even bringing in all of the popularity and fame that went with his so-called "slavery."

He made a ridiculously stupid comment in a public setting (once again), so he should be prepared for any backlash that comes with it.

supafly said:

I agree with you that people can get too caught up in the comments of players, but he did tweet #4 years a slave, which is obviously a crack at the popular Oscar award winning film 12 yrs a slave.

Slavery is obviously a controversial topic that is going to piss a lot of people off, so I can understand those that are. Getting paid millions of dollars to play a sport is nothing remotely comparable to getting beaten and forced to do hard, physical labor; and that's not even bringing in all of the popularity and fame that went with his so-called "slavery."

He made a ridiculously stupid comment in a public setting (once again), so he should be prepared for any backlash that comes with it.

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Your bias is showing. There was nothing "ridiculously stupid" about his comment.

grux said:

Well, there should be no more questions about why he wasn't on the playoff roster or be a part of this years team. It seems tweeting is more important than winning football games.

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Oh, I think there's always going to be a fair argument from both sides about what happened, and we'll likely never know the entire truth.

It's just a matter of what you personally believe, and I choose to believe that his attitude and poor decisions did have something to do with it myself. That may/may not be correct, but that's just my personal thought.

Deus Irae said:

Your bias is showing. There was nothing "ridiculously stupid" about his comment.

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Serious or sarcasm?

If you're serious, I think you'd be right to say that I am somewhat biased, so that's a fair statement.

However, the truth is that he's kind of made a lot of stupid comments. Whether it be giving Santa Claus cocaine and Jack Daniels, with pictures to boot, or comments about the fact that he wasn't pleased to be playing for this team/coach, he made them---not me. All of the chat roulette comments, showing exposed pictures of himself, etc. He's made a lot of stupid moves and said some things that point to either a lack of maturity or a lack of common sense.

While I don't think that these recent slavery comments are that big of a deal, that's kind of easier for me to say, since I am not of African-American descent. Had it been a player from another team, there would still be plenty of people who would take his comments as kind of...dumb.

Comparing any situation to that of the plight that actual slaves went through is kind of showing a lack of maturity, although I do agree that people shouldn't get "too" upset about it at the same time. Like I said before though, there are definitely going to be some who are a bit up in arms about his comment.

When you're rich and famous, making millions of dollars, there aren't going to be any comments that involve slavery that are going to be seen as appropriate.

West Philly Patriot said:

Again it doesn't matter at all if anyone had anything to do with it(which in black people's case isn't true Jim Crow was not that long ago) or if you yourself suffered. Someone did and it's worth learning about.

There is a Forbes article on how the median net worth of white households is now 20 times that of black households. Homes in black neighborhoods don't appreciate in value like white neighborhoods. It's not about class there was a study in 2001 by brookings institute that when wealthy and poor minority neighborhoods were compared white homes were still valued 18% higher.

There is info like that all over the place. This is the aftermath of starting off on such an unleveled playing field. I would wager the average white American has no black friends and interacts with none at all in their daily lives but yet the assumptions are amazing of how dangerous and scary we are.

"Those that are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it"

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If you wagered that "the average white American had no black friends and interacts with none at all in their daily lives but yet the assumptions are amazing of how dangerous and scary we are" your arse would be broke. That has to be as ignorant as Spikes' comments..

Do yourself a favor and don't comment anymore if you are going to make such ignorant and inflammatory comments like this..

West Philly Patriot said:

Again it doesn't matter at all if anyone had anything to do with it(which in black people's case isn't true Jim Crow was not that long ago) or if you yourself suffered. Someone did and it's worth learning about.

There is a Forbes article on how the median net worth of white households is now 20 times that of black households. Homes in black neighborhoods don't appreciate in value like white neighborhoods. It's not about class there was a study in 2001 by brookings institute that when wealthy and poor minority neighborhoods were compared white homes were still valued 18% higher.

There is info like that all over the place. This is the aftermath of starting off on such an unleveled playing field. I would wager the average white American has no black friends and interacts with none at all in their daily lives but yet the assumptions are amazing of how dangerous and scary we are.

"Those that are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it"

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So basically, you're moving the goalposts to something that has nothing to do with slavery, and then claiming that I'm ignorant of the past because I was actually sticking to the topic at hand? That makes literally no sense, and nothing that I wrote had anything to do with any of this.

And FWIW, racial inequality of today is not "the aftermath of starting off on such an unleveled playing field." That's ridiculous. It's the result of a whole lot of things that have happened long after slavery ended, although I don't care to further discuss that here, since we're already barely on-topic and that would no doubt be a full on derail.

Also, re: your wager, I grew up in a small town in the whitest state in America, and even I managed to have black friends. Based on that, I'd comfortably wager that the same is true for the average white kid. I'm not saying we live in a post-racist society--I spent enough time in the south to know that that's sadly not even close to true--but the assumptions that you're making about the 'average white kid' are miles off base and surprisingly ignorant in their own right. Maybe, like your hypothetical 'average white kid', you don't know as much about how the 'other side' thinks and acts as you'd like to think you do.

West Philly Patriot said:

The civil rights movement was 50 years ago. There are people alive today who fought for and against equality. My grandmother went to rally's in NYC. That's one generation.

All that is a result of slavery. If blacks were equal from the get go than that's not the case. When it all ended, They didn't get on a boat and cross the ocean for a new life they moved down the road and were tormented.

But again there are things happening today that are a clear result of the genesis of blacks in this country. Namely the demonizing of black youth.

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Clearly you want to take this totally political and this isn't the forum for it. That's the political forum.

you know, come to think of it...I don't have any Eskimo friends...but I heard they got some swell whorehouses outside Anchorage...lemme see, there's Tumuc's Pigloo and Palluqtuq's Frozen Tartery...look for the flashing neon "Fresh Fish!" signs...and remember, always wear a Trojan brand walrus skin condom, scented in musk with a touch of tusk...:bolt:

DaBruinz said:

If you wagered that "the average white American had no black friends and interacts with none at all in their daily lives but yet the assumptions are amazing of how dangerous and scary we are" your arse would be broke. That has to be as ignorant as Spikes' comments..



Do yourself a favor and don't comment anymore if you are going to make such ignorant and inflammatory comments like this..

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Your getting mad about something and don't even understand why.

The average while male in America lives in a rural area. The average rural area is devoid of diversity. I'm not saying the average white male doesn't have black friends because they choose too, it's because there are little to no blacks where they live. I have met more than a few whites through work who come from small suburban towns that have almost no black residents.

supafly said:

...Comparing any situation to that of the plight that actual slaves went through is kind of showing a lack of maturity,

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No, it doesn't, and people use the word "slave" in a non-100% serious and/or literal sense all the time (slave over hot stove, slave to fashion, "I'm not your slave", wage slave, etc...). you are reaching for reasons to make his comment seem bad. It wasn't. It was fine. Frankly, anyone who got offended by it should probably seek professional help for oversensitivity.

slave away (at something)
Fig. to work very hard (doing something). I'm tired of slaving away at this and getting nowhere. I'm slaving away for $7.00 an hour and have no prospects for the future.

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slave away - Idioms - by the Free Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

corporate slave
The people who make the business worldf go round and round, without them executives might actually have to do something besides make rules to make it more difficult for the slaves under them to do their job. Corporate slaves are easily identifiable by the vacant look in their eyes as they are always overworked, underpaid and underappreciated.

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Urban Dictionary: corporate slave

wage slave
noun
a person who works for a wage, especially with total and immediate dependency on the income derived from such labor.

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Wage slave | Define Wage slave at Dictionary.com

I hate the offseason

supafly said:

Serious or sarcasm?

If you're serious, I think you'd be right to say that I am somewhat biased, so that's a fair statement.

However, the truth is that he's kind of made a lot of stupid comments. Whether it be giving Santa Claus cocaine and Jack Daniels, with pictures to boot, or comments about the fact that he wasn't pleased to be playing for this team/coach, he made them---not me. All of the chat roulette comments, showing exposed pictures of himself, etc. He's made a lot of stupid moves and said some things that point to either a lack of maturity or a lack of common sense.

While I don't think that these recent slavery comments are that big of a deal, that's kind of easier for me to say, since I am not of African-American descent. Had it been a player from another team, there would still be plenty of people who would take his comments as kind of...dumb.

Comparing any situation to that of the plight that actual slaves went through is kind of showing a lack of maturity, although I do agree that people shouldn't get "too" upset about it at the same time. Like I said before though, there are definitely going to be some who are a bit up in arms about his comment.

When you're rich and famous, making millions of dollars, there aren't going to be any comments that involve slavery that are going to be seen as appropriate.

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I dont disagree with the thrust of your argument (in fact I agree with most of it) in a philosophical send but I think you're looking for too much nuance in what was a cheap Twitter punchline

JackBauer said:

The only really bad pick there is Cunningham.

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Hernandez was a good pick if youre starting a prison football team.

All 3 UF players were busts.