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Opinion: Pats not drafting Dominique Easley


MrNathanDrake

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I see a ton of people pimping out Easley. I like his playing style, but this is the opposite of "The Patriots Way".


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/shutd...e-easley-prefers-cartoons-221726704--nfl.html

“I like to play. I don’t like to watch [football] on TV,” he said.

Easley was asked if he ever has made it through an entire NFL game.

“Not start to finish," Easley said. "I might change it to a cartoon or something.”

(For the record, he's a big fan of the Rocket Power cartoon for those keeping score at home.)

So wait, you don't watch, like, the Super Bowl? What's the most of an NFL game you've watch, Dominique?

“About two quarters,” he said.

Id be very surprised if BB drafted Easley. He prefers watching cartoons to watching football. He's never watched an entire NFL game.

Easley said he's committed to doing film study when it comes to getting better. But is he worried that his lack of interest in the NFL be constituted as a bit of a troubling thing for scouts who likely prefer football junkies?

“No," he said. "Just because you’re not watching football doesn’t mean you don’t love football. I have another life also.”

For BB, football IS life and he tends to draft players who are committed to the game.
 
That depends on if he loves playing and can convince the evaluator he is speaking to he loves it. Hell, if you love the game it should show by the way you talk about your fondest memories playing. From pop warner to college.

If I recall correctly Matt Light was in the same boat. He wasn't a fan of watching football. But he loved to play.

This news story discussed it a bit:
Super Bowl 2012 -- New Engalnd Patriots' Matt Light keeps his teammates laughing - ESPN Boston
 
This has been discussed quite a bit here. IMO being a fan of televised football isn't what BB & co. mean by "loving football." Refusing to study film would be a different matter, but nobody has indicated that.
 
This has been discussed quite a bit here. IMO being a fan of televised football isn't what BB & co. mean by "loving football." Refusing to study film would be a different matter, but nobody has indicated that.

Easley was a team captain this year. His teammates voted him the Greg See Tenacity Award for Defense, and (along with OG Jon Halapio) the James W. Kyne award for the player showing the best mental and physical toughness.

Florida Gators wrap up season with annual awards banquet | Florida Gators Football, Basketball, Sports Forum & Community

The Pats may or may not end up selecting Easley, but to dismiss him as a potential prospect because he doesn't particularly like to watch football recreationally and is honest about it seems a bit far-fetched.
 
I have it on good authority that the Patriots also refuse to draft any player they deem to have "smelly feet".
 
I have it on good authority that the Patriots also refuse to draft any player they deem to have "smelly feet".

The requirement to purchase odour eaters is written into every contract. I have it on good authority that Desean Jackson was a lock to come here but we wouldn't budge on this critical requirement so he took his noxious, but quick, feet to Washington.
 
I have it on good authority that the Patriots also refuse to draft any player they deem to have "smelly feet".

The requirement to purchase odour eaters is written into every contract. I have it on good authority that Desean Jackson was a lock to come here but we wouldn't budge on this critical requirement so he took his noxious, but quick, feet to Washington.

Rex Ryan has the same policy
 
2 ACL surgeries already. I'll pass.
 
2 ACL surgeries already. I'll pass.

Thank you! To heck with cartoons, a pair of reconstructed knees is a real, tangible issue.

The fact that Easley has rehabbed successfully from the two major surgeries is a tribute to his motivation and work ethic. But I think it's a mistake to just declare him "recovered." Certain people are anatomically predisposed to ACL injury, and injury rates are higher after reconstruction.

I really like the player, but IMO he's a huge risk to invest in and count on at the first-round level.
 
Rocket Power is garbage, Uncle Grandpa is way better.

Odds are they won't draft him, he is one out of a 1000 eligible players but some analysis from WalterFootball.com
WalterFootball.com: Position Review - Defensive Ends

Motor:
NFL prototype: Jared Allen, Vikings
Dominique Easley
Ben Gardner
Scott Crichton
Kony Ealy
Jadeveon Clowney
Stephon Tuitt
Ed Stinson
Kareem Martin


Recap: Prospects who show a lack of effort can get knocked quickly by coaches when they start evaluating players. Coaches have zero patience for players who dog it. Conversely, a great motor will help players who may be short on athletic ability. This draft class has a lot of good motors amongst the early-round prospects.

Easley was utterly relentless in 2013 and displayed perhaps the best motor in college football. He never quit on plays and was always around the ball. Gardner, Crichton and Ealy also give great effort.
 
I'm with patchick, I like him but the first round isn't the place to be taking risks. Give me a Tuitt, Hageman or Ealy (Tuitt should be there, 50-50 that one of the others will be) and I'll take a shot at Easley's knees in the second round. That's as much risk as I want to take. We have a good thing going, blowing a #1 on questionable knees isn't the direction I want to go. Tank Carradine went at 2.8 last year and barely played, let the 49ers take more of those guys high.
 
Easley was utterly relentless in 2013 and displayed perhaps the best motor in college football.
Did they mean 2012 ? Easley missed almost all of 2013.
 
Thank you! To heck with cartoons, a pair of reconstructed knees is a real, tangible issue.

The fact that Easley has rehabbed successfully from the two major surgeries is a tribute to his motivation and work ethic. But I think it's a mistake to just declare him "recovered." Certain people are anatomically predisposed to ACL injury, and injury rates are higher after reconstruction.

I really like the player, but IMO he's a huge risk to invest in and count on at the first-round level.

:confused:

I'm not sure what your concern is.

1. "I think it's a mistake to declare him 'recovered'".

This is a straightforward medical evaluation. Easley recovered fully from his 2011, and had solid years in 2012 and 2013 before injuring the other knee, so I assume that knee is not an issue. As for the knee injury sustained in September, Easley is now 7 months out. Presumably it shouldn't be hard to determine how far along he is in terms of his recovery. Adrian Peterson having an MVP season the year after an ACL injury is the exception, and most players seem to take a season to get back to 100%, but it shouldn't be too hard to assess where Easley is in terms of recovering form last September's ACL tear.

2. "Certain people are anatomically predisposed to ACL injury".

Again, it should be fairly straightforward to assess medically whether Easley has some anatomic predisposition to injury. He's been operated on twice, and his medical records (or conversations with the orthopedic surgeons) should uncover whether there was any concern about structural abnormalities that predisposed him to injury. Many players sustain more than 1 ACL tear, and yet you don't hear that they are 'anatomically predisposed to ACL injury'. RGIII has torn his ACL twice. Casey Hampton had 3 ACL tears (2 in the left knee). Frank Gore tore both ACLs over a 3 year period in college, similar to Easley; that dropped him to the top of the 3rd round, and he has been one of the most durable backs in the NFL over the past 9 seasons, playing in 136 out of 144 games.

What exactly do you think the standard of concern should be with ACL injuries? One ACL tear? 2? How critical do you think the timeframe should be between injuries? RGIII's prior injury didn't stop him from being the #2 overall pick. Tank Carradine wasn't fully recovered from his injury, but still went #40 overall. Willis McGahee was a 1st round pick 4 months after tearing his ACL and MCL, and has rushed for almost 8500 yards so far in his career.

I have no problem with the Pats or any other team not taking Easley (or anyone else) because they have medical concerns, either about the state of his current recovery or about structural abnormalities for which there is medical evidence. I certainly would expect them (and any other team) to do diligence in fully evaluating Easley. But simply inferring those things because a player has suffered an injury seems like a big leap to me.
 
:Easley recovered fully from his 2011, and had solid years in 2012 and 2013 before injuring the other knee, so I assume that knee is not an issue.

It's very likely that the two injuries are related. Having undergone ACL reconstruction before age 20 then returning to competitive, sports, Easley was at vastly increased risk of a second ACL tear -- including injury to the opposite knee. (Anatomical predispositions tend to be the same in both knees, and people instinctively rely more on their good knee.) And weighing 290 lbs. is yet another huge risk factor for deterioration in injured knees.

I'm not saying "Forget it, he's damaged goods." I'm just saying that injured vs. healthy is a spectrum, and Easley's position on it affects my valuation of him as a draft prospect.
 
It's very likely that the two injuries are related. Having undergone ACL reconstruction before age 20 then returning to competitive, sports, Easley was at vastly increased risk of a second ACL tear -- including injury to the opposite knee. (Anatomical predispositions tend to be the same in both knees, and people instinctively rely more on their good knee.) And weighing 290 lbs. is yet another huge risk factor for deterioration in injured knees.

I'm not saying "Forget it, he's damaged goods." I'm just saying that injured vs. healthy is a spectrum, and Easley's position on it affects my valuation of him as a draft prospect.

The human knee joint is anatomically and structurally not well designed to handle the kind of stresses put on it by modern athletes. We're all "anatomically predisposed" to ACL injuries, particular if we do sports that put abnormal stress on the joint. The majority of ACL tears are non-contact injuries due to twisting or torque-related motions. While weight can certainly increase the stress load, basketball players and "normal" sized athletes like skiers (and woman soccer players) are also highly susceptible to these injuries because of the nature of the movements which they undergo, and the inherent anatomic and structural limitations of the knee joint.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/26/travel/escapes/26ski.html
ACL Injury and the Female Soccer Player | US Youth Soccer

Movement training, strengthening of the supporting muscles, and supportive braces can certainly all affect the chances of injury or re-injury, but it's never going to be 0.

I think it's a fallacy to assume that just because a player has had an injury he is automatically more susceptible to subsequent injuries. All NFL players are susceptible to a major injury at any time. Easley could injure his knee next year, or he could pull a Frank Gore and go his entire career without a major knee injury. Aaron Donald or Jadeveon Clowney could blow out their ACL in training camp from a non-contact injury (God forbid). There are no guarantees in this business, and everyone is playing on borrowed time. Enough NFL players have managed to have highly productive careers despite multiple ACL injuries that I wouldn't automatically discount it, assuming that things checked out medically.

By all means, teams should do diligence on Easley. But I think that "2 ACL surgeries already - I'll pass" isn't that much more logical a response than "Easley watches cartoon instead of recreational football - I'll pass". It's not that simple.
 
It's very likely that the two injuries are related. Having undergone ACL reconstruction before age 20 then returning to competitive, sports, Easley was at vastly increased risk of a second ACL tear -- including injury to the opposite knee. (Anatomical predispositions tend to be the same in both knees, and people instinctively rely more on their good knee.) And weighing 290 lbs. is yet another huge risk factor for deterioration in injured knees.

I'm not saying "Forget it, he's damaged goods." I'm just saying that injured vs. healthy is a spectrum, and Easley's position on it affects my valuation of him as a draft prospect.

I agree. He may have a stupendous NFL career without any other major surgery, but the odds so far put me in a position to take that risk far away from the 1st round.

Where exactly is Easley on the mock drafts around the web? If i'm not mistaken he's very high. That means people are willing to assume that risk. 2 ACL surgeries should drop a player a lot...well I would let the other take that risk, after Ras Island fiasco I don't wanna spend a valuable draft pick on a player with this history.
 
TI think it's a fallacy to assume that just because a player has had an injury he is automatically more susceptible to subsequent injuries.

There are a ton of medical studies demonstrating increased risk -- especially for people who return to competitive sport, especially if the first injury occurred when the person was young, especially for people who carry a lot of weight, etc.

It's not a crystal ball or a death sentence, just a risk factor. Even with the risk factor, he's more likely to stay healthy than not. And it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'll take Easley with a 5x increased risk factor of knee injury, because I believe he's 10x more likely than the next guy to make a major impact on the defense."

As I said earlier, I'm not crossing him off my board by any means. I'm just weighing the injury history in my valuation.
 
There are a ton of medical studies demonstrating increased risk -- especially for people who return to competitive sport, especially if the first injury occurred when the person was young, especially for people who carry a lot of weight, etc.

It's not a crystal ball or a death sentence, just a risk factor. Even with the risk factor, he's more likely to stay healthy than not. And it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'll take Easley with a 5x increased risk factor of knee injury, because I believe he's 10x more likely than the next guy to make a major impact on the defense."

As I said earlier, I'm not crossing him off my board by any means. I'm just weighing the injury history in my valuation.

I 100% agree with your take. It's just too risky in the top 50 for me. If he's there with the second round pick and the medical looks good and the interviews went well I think it's a calculated risk. While drafting him in the first wouldn't be compared to the Bill's taking Willis McGahee it's certainly not risk adverse which Bill certainly is in the first round. He'll certainly gamble in the second.
 
There are a ton of medical studies demonstrating increased risk -- especially for people who return to competitive sport, especially if the first injury occurred when the person was young, especially for people who carry a lot of weight, etc.

It's not a crystal ball or a death sentence, just a risk factor. Even with the risk factor, he's more likely to stay healthy than not. And it's perfectly reasonable to say "I'll take Easley with a 5x increased risk factor of knee injury, because I believe he's 10x more likely than the next guy to make a major impact on the defense."

As I said earlier, I'm not crossing him off my board by any means. I'm just weighing the injury history in my valuation.

I generally agree with this, other than your (deliberately) inflated numbers for risk of injury (and, accordingly, of increased potential to make a greater impact).

The studies that I'm familiar with (and also based on discussion with orthopedic colleagues) are very crude. There are no universally accepted criteria for return to sports activity. The risk of re-injury ranges from 3% to 49%, a huge variation. There are clearly differences between men and women, some of which may be functional and others anatomic (greater ligamentous laxity, less supportic musculature, etc.). The data pretty consistently show that early return to high-stress activity increases the risk of re-injury. It takes time for ligamentization to occur, and denervation of the affected area may result in abnormal kinematics, especially early on. But there is still no clearly accepted measure that correlates with functional strength and decreased risk of re-injury.

Note that the discussion about Easley has moved considerably in this thread. The OP started with "Pats not drafting Dominique Easley", which was modified to "Opinion: Pats not drafting Dominique Easley" based on statements he made about not liking to watch football recreationally and liking cartoons. Now it's turned into a question of how early the Pats should consider drafting Easley based on his ACL injury history and risk calculus.

My personal view is that the Pats should do diligence on both issues. No prospects are without concerns, and all should be thoroughly evaluated. Easley has been a team captain and has won awards for tenacity and mental and physical toughness, but he is clearly a guy who marches to the beat of his own drummer, and the Pats should carefully evaluate his commitment to football (which I don't doubt) and whether his personality would be a good fit for the team. They should also carefully evaluate his medical data and get multiple opinions on his likelihood of re-injury, given that he is currently almost 7 months out from his injury. Those factors - along with their evaluation of his skills and potential impact as a prospect - should all be factored in to making a decision as to how high they would use a draft pick on him, just like any other prospect.

I'm all for doing diligence. I'm all for factoring risk factors and other considerations into one's overall draft grade. What irks me is blanket statements like "the Pats won't take Easley because he watches cartoons and doesn't take football seriously" or "the Pats won't take Easley because he has had 2 ACL injuries". Those kind of blanket statements seem premature, and counter-productive.
 


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