Wilfork Restructures Contract (3 Yr 22.5 Mil)

Tanguay is always trying to find his niche.
His hair is short then it's long,glasses then no glasses. Then it's a different pair of glasses every other day.
One day he is Mr. positive then the next he's chicken little.
I don't think he's ever gotten over losing the midday gig to Gresh.
I remember when the Hub first started he used to take shots at Toucher and Rich because he thought he should be on in their place with a real sports show instead of the "shock jocks".
He has been in the biz for years now with some success but he has forever been changing his looks and personality because it is so obvious that he thinks and believes that he should be the biggest personality on the Boston sports scene.
This mans ego is out of control. I thank god everyday that the Krafts did not give that maniac the Patriots play by play job.
I picture in his private life he's a lot like Patrick Bateman...if you know what i mean.

Miguel said:

That is not correct.

If traded or released, Wilfork would have counted $3.6 million.

Wilfork will at least count $4,555,000 against the cap since the minimum salary for a player with his years of experience is $955,000.

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Miguel, can the $3.6m cap hit for this coming year be spread across the additional 2 years of the contract, or does it have to hit this year's cap?

Regarding Vince's achilles, remember that on the play he went down he wasn't touched. It made me think that the reason he wasn't his old self in the first couple of games last year is because the achilles was bothering him, that it was a longer term issue unlike say a knee injury.

I'm no doctor but if they can make that tendon stronger than ever, as they can with knee ligaments, then Vince may be able to come back to 2012 form.

40yrpatsfan said:

Miguel, can the $3.6m cap hit for this coming year be spread across the additional 2 years of the contract, or does it have to hit this year's cap?

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The latter.

jsull87 said:

This forum really buggs me sometimes. A bunch of great posters, but only on this forum have i seen people look at bringing back a guy who has been the heart and soul of our defense... for a reduced contract, with only 3M garanteed as a negative.

It is his first major injury of his career. People keep throwing around diabetes issues, weight and recovery time issues without one single scerric of insight into how he is going with these issues. It's no better then the media agencies who throw out these rumours. Yes they are risks i dont argue that, but do you not think the pats have the most up to date info on his health?

The pats today just signed back an All Pro NT with very little financial risk (as first reported). We have lowered his cap hit to help the team. If he comes back to old form we have him for a good contract, if he truns out to play at a lesser level... it's basically a 1 year deal.

We even have great posters like Ken (sorry to single you out I respect you as a postser) who are saying good deal but couldn't this have been done earlier? we could have released him then resigned him to this deal, e.t.c 1.) if we realeased him he would be free to sign somewhere else, why take that risk? 2.) Negotiations are a 2 way street. I really think all of this is just nit picking. Do you not think if this could have been done earlier we would have?

This probably turned out a bit more ranty then i'd like. I am just a little disapointed some of the negative reaction to a deal that a.) lowers his cap hit b.) upside is it brings back a potential all pro NT and leader of our d c.) downside is it does it for very little risk and d.) actually extends him in the case his play returns back to the elite level.

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Deus Irae said:

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OhExaulted1 said:

When people see you approach them at a party do they a)leave the room quickly hoping you'll corner some other unsuspecting innocent bystander and ruin his/her night instead of theirs or b)punch you repeatedly in the mouth until you shut the hell up?

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Based on my experience with the internet, Odds are that in real life he's no where near this assertive.

Good deal for the pats. Good deal for my man big Vince. "Great" for neither side. Which is exactly the way this situation should have played out. Both sides gave something.

Also T. Poole, I'm with Kontra on this. Why get your panties in a twist over us signing an elite runstopper and leader for 3M when there is this thing called the draft coming up in a month or so. There will be sub pass rushing specialists added. I would bet my house on that.

Also did you enjoy watching Moreno go for 224? Or have his way in the postseason?(not a huge total but his average was healthy and he had a 30 yard run) there is a reason you don't see teams doing that to the Seattle, San Fran's, Panthers, and even Cardinals of the world(who will be contenders this year if they get in)

You don't win football games lining up 4 pass rushers every down. That's NOT the way the game is played. Even in this era, with this secondary.

To: Logan Mankins
From: Bill
Date: 3/27/2014
Re: Locker Cleanouts

Next year, your turn.

A nice tweet from Matt Chatham. He must read this forum...

Matt Chatham @chatham58 "Big interior DL are less valuable" makes no sense after watching the impact DEN's Terrance Knighton (Pot Roast) had on the #NFL playoffs

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KontradictioN said:

A nice tweet from Matt Chatham. He must read this forum...

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And he was paid like 2M! Doh!

Good deal for all parties involved. Glad it got worked out.

TO be honest, clearly the Pats would have better access to vince wilfork and his recovery from the achilles. if they didn't think he could come back and perform I dont think they would have kept him on the roster. the fact that the pats really have NEVER done this for a player lends me to believe they think Vince can still be a pro bowl caliber player.

and there still is some value to a run stuffing NT....now, what are teams going to do? run up the middle at wilfork/Mayo? or throw it at revis/browner?

RIpats88 said:

and there still is some value to a run stuffing NT....now, what are teams going to do? run up the middle at wilfork/Siliga? or throw it at revis/browner?

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Correction made.

I am not really surprised by this, and I think the decisive factor was how much our run D suffered this year without him, and prior to Siliga's quick development.

And IMO, is also the reason we released Spikes.

PP2 said:

Correction made.

I am not really surprised by this, and I think the decisive factor was how much our run D suffered this year without him, and prior to Siliga's quick development.

And IMO, is also the reason we released Spikes.

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Kelly is going to start over Siliga next year.

Deus Irae said:

Unless you're expecting Vince to drop dead on the field because of his mother/father/brother, your post makes no sense.

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Typical.

Kyle Love was released after he got his diabetes diagnosis. All around health, and propensity for suffering from illnesses that run in the family have to be a concern of the Pats - they demonstrated it.

Rumors are strong that they washed their hands of Brandon Lloyd due to his being bipolar.

RIpats88 said:

TO be honest, clearly the Pats would have better access to vince wilfork and his recovery from the achilles. if they didn't think he could come back and perform I dont think they would have kept him on the roster. the fact that the pats really have NEVER done this for a player lends me to believe they think Vince can still be a pro bowl caliber player.

and there still is some value to a run stuffing NT....now, what are teams going to do? run up the middle at wilfork/Mayo? or throw it at revis/browner?

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Pro Bowl caliber, i sincerely hope your right, but i doubt it. It will probably take VW most of the season just to get over the injury to play anywhere near what he use to. It wouldn't shock me if he gets cut in training camp. As for what other teams are going to do, they most assuredly run at VW, Siliga, Jones etc. Thats why IMO getting a top notch DT is so important to help shore up the middle.

Sciz said:

Please tell me you've got a better source for this than the often-cited article using data from the period 12 to 17 years ago.

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Please tell me you do.

bagwell368 said:

Typical.

Kyle Love was released after he got his diabetes diagnosis. All around health, and propensity for suffering from illnesses that run in the family have to be a concern of the Pats - they demonstrated it.

Rumors are strong that they washed their hands of Brandon Lloyd due to his being bipolar.

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Do you know for a fact Love was released because he had diabetes? Having diabetes doesn't preclude someone from playing professionally. Bobby Clark played 15 seasons for the Philly Flyers, and is in the HOF. He had type 1 diabetes which is a lot harder to control than type 2 which is what it think Love had.

OhExaulted1 said:

What the hell does that even mean? And you said it twice. Is it some obscure biblical reference or a Pagan philosophical passage? Or is this just how the kids talk these days.

I just can't keep up with this ever evolving internet slang.

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I think hes making it up as he goes along. I think he means 'unwashed masses' which still wouldn't make any sense.

RIpats88 said:

TO be honest, clearly the Pats would have better access to vince wilfork and his recovery from the achilles. if they didn't think he could come back and perform I dont think they would have kept him on the roster. the fact that the pats really have NEVER done this for a player lends me to believe they think Vince can still be a pro bowl caliber player.

and there still is some value to a run stuffing NT....now, what are teams going to do? run up the middle at wilfork/Mayo? or throw it at revis/browner?

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I disagree about the Pats having great confidence that he's still a probowler.

This is kinda like the Revis contract in that years 2 & 3 won't happen.
We're basically pushing 2m of the 3m guaranteed into next year's salary cap. And maybe his base pay this season will be min; which means all the incentives will also be pushed into next year's cap.

There's no way Wilfork will be getting paid 7.5m next year in salary if they're unwilling to do it this year.

So the Pats are basically saying 'We'll pay you around 4m this year for showing up' And If you do happen to be a probowl caliber player, you'll get the money that you're original contract would've given you

jsull87 said:

Just to address some of your bolded comments:

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In light of the other stuff you've written here I want to point out - I didn't bold them.

1.) His brother, father and mother weren't upper tier athletes with a professional diet and weights program set out for them by both sporting and medical professionals.

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When was the last time VW made his 325 lb weight clause in his contract? Is that excess weight also needed for sports and blessed by medical professionals?

2.) Those health issues of his family have always been there. Were you against signing him in the first place? extending him in 2010? If we are to follow your logic to it's conclusion.

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I didn't know about them then. Obviously the Pats signed off on the deal. Also obviously a run stuffing NT/DT doesn't get paid the same this year as they were back when VW signed his deal - which is another factor.

3.) These factors weren't ignored at all... he had his guaranteed portion of his contract lowered to $3m. How is lowering the guaranteed portion ignoring the health risk? It is legitimately the opposite.

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I'm glad you agree that they were factored in when his deal was signed - and that it was legitimate to do so.

What I object too is the notion promoted by some here (before this deal) that we should view him through some filmy romantic gauze after a very serious injury, and "man up" and honor his contract because he's a top dozen Patriot of all time. At this point he's going to collect well over 90% of his original deal. I don't remember you supporting that POV, so we have no argument with each other on that point.

4.) You know we won't have these holes filled after the draft in one month's time do you? You seem pretty certain about the future. Are you Doc Brown? Should I invest in Tesla?

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A ridiculous rhetorical snark. BTW, we will not have all our holes filled (as well as we will on day 1 of the season) after the draft. It's a nonsensical POV that we will. That's that's just straight logic based on being a fan since 1966, no need for me to create a rhetorical snark.

5.) No one is saying Vince is at his peak.

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Quite a few have argued we should not give credence to his 2013 season, nor should we project his future with anything but his past.

6.) What is your obsession with someone thinking you are an unwashed low life savage?

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Obsession? No it's a rhetorical device to mock the other side. Obtuse much?

No one is saying you are unfeeling for wanting to cut Vince. All I am saying is, if it is your opinion that we should have cut him in favor of this restructure. Then by almost all measures you are wrong. We reduced his cap number, extended him in case he comes good, can cut him next year in case he comes bad.

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If we cut him we get $7.58M off the cap. It's my point that we can (my estimate is > 90%) make better use of the money on other proven healthy NFL players - say 4 of the following (C De La Puente, Davis or Daniels at TE, DE Ayers or Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, Blount, DT Pat Sims) than handing VW guaranteed money plus whatever else he might earn this year. To me (before the deal was announced) $3M to VW was like pissing into the wind. Since BB has entered into this deal, we'll have to see what happens. If he plays very well, than fine I was wrong. If he can't play or is a shadow of his former self, than I was right.

AH HA: Pats saving about $5M this year according to Gaspar (via 98.5) - say it is $5M - so it's a $2.58M net difference. That's OK.