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You couldn't be that clueless, could you?

You're telling me that pressure up the middle doesn't affect an outside pass rusher. Yes or no,

yeah, that's exactly what I said lol.

Logic fail: Some boxes are blue. This object is blue. It must be a box.

Double logic fail: Some NTs help outside pass rushers by creating pressure up the middle. Our outside pass rusher would have had a great season if you sprinkle pixy dust on his stats. Our NT must have been amazing at pressuring up the middle.
 
I'll ask you the same question I asked the other fella that disappeared after trying to "win" this argument. What odds will you give me that one of Wilfork/Kelly/Armstead will miss >5 games. It's not about being injury prone it's about coming off injury and being old and fat in a ridiculously violent sport. Thinking you can rely on them all to "rotate" in a meaningful way all year is lol, we lost all three last year!

Give me odds and a price please.

Also your second paragraph is terrible. He doesn't "occupy two blockers" on passing downs, that cliche is a parody of itself at this point.

So, we lost all three last year. So what. That doesn't mean a damn thing. You should know that. Furthermore, please show me statistical fact that a person coming off injury and is now healthy is more likely to get injured than a person who has never been injured.

BTW, Armstead isn't old or fat. Nice job. You can't even argue points so you have to make stuff up to try spin yourself out of the hole you've dug yourself into.

Do everyone a favor and go away until you actually know something about football other than the players names.
 
Donald? HA. In watching him I was sort of reminded of Reggie White. I cannot see how he would last past pick 10 or so. Way out of range for the Patriots unless he punches a cop.

Reggie White was 6'5"
 
yeah, that's exactly what I said lol.

Logic fail: Some boxes are blue. This object is blue. It must be a box.

Double logic fail: Some NTs help outside pass rushers by creating pressure up the middle. Our outside pass rusher would have had a great season if you sprinkle pixy dust on his stats. Our NT must have been amazing at pressuring up the middle.

You ever watch the game?
 
So, we lost all three last year. So what. That doesn't mean a damn thing. You should know that. Furthermore, please show me statistical fact that a person coming off injury and is now healthy is more likely to get injured than a person who has never been injured.

BTW, Armstead isn't old or fat. Nice job. You can't even argue points so you have to make stuff up to try spin yourself out of the hole you've dug yourself into.

I was clearly talking about Armstead there, so that's a really great snipe.

Do everyone a favor and go away until you actually know something about football other than the players names.

I'm not gonna measure ****s with you. how much will you wager that one doesn't get injured for >5 games next year?
 
with wilfork and Kelly the pats have 700lbs of pro bowl DT's with two man coverage CB's the pats can now blitz up the middle with mayo. Collins and Hightower with jones coming off the edge. the pats have the potential to be a disruptive defense
 
yeah, that's exactly what I said lol.

Logic fail: Some boxes are blue. This object is blue. It must be a box.

Double logic fail: Some NTs help outside pass rushers by creating pressure up the middle. Our outside pass rusher would have had a great season if you sprinkle pixy dust on his stats. Our NT must have been amazing at pressuring up the middle.

What the hell would you know about logic? You've already shown you're completely clueless about football and how any defense using a NT actually works.

People have already explained to you have the Pats defense would improve with Wilfork taking up two defenders in the pass rush. If you'd actually watched any Pats games in the last 7-8 years, you'd know that Wilfork is double teamed on every play he's on the field. That's not CLICHE. That's fact. Something you have a hard time grasping.

Chandler Jones showed that he improved over the previous year by putting up 11.5 sacks last year. The Patriots, as a team, put up 47 sacks. That was the MOST by a Patriots defense since Belichick took over. That's FACT you can't dispute. And guess what? Wilfork missed 13 games and Kelly 11. As was pointed out to you, Jones put up only 8.5 sacks in the 13 games that Wilfork wasn't on the field. If you had actually watched the games, you'd know that it was because Jones was getting double-teams quite a bit.

So, reason stands that with Both Wilfork and Jones on the field, the offense will either have to flip the strong side to Left side opposite Jones, go with a double TE set so they can double up Jones, or chip Jones with a RB and hope it's enough to keep Jones from getting to the QB. However, if they double up both Wilfork and Jones, that leaves Ninkovich and whomever is playing the 3/5 tech in one on one situations. It also leaves the LBers with no one to pick them up on a blitz.
 
I see you didn't comment on the Superbowl analysis of that interior pressure you don't think means anything.

C'mon, test your theory.

'Playbook': Impact of Seahawks pass rush

WTF? What is it you think that video proves exactly? Neither Red Bryant nor Mebane plays like Vince. Neither were "occupying two blockers ZOMG!!!" in any of the plays in that video. If you look at that video and you see similarities to what the Pats look like when Vince is lined up then lol at you. They have studs all over the line.

And I never once said anything even remotely approaching that interior pressure doesn't mean anything. What bizarre concoction of incompetence and dishonesty are you going for here exactly?
 
I was clearly talking about Armstead there, so that's a really great snipe.

Clearly, you don't understand the English language. That sentence clearly applied to the 3 guys you mentioned in the previous sentence. You made no distinctions. Had you done so, it wouldn't have been as easy as you made it.



I'm not gonna measure ****s with you. how much will you wager that one doesn't get injured for >5 games next year?

Kinda hard to measure something you don't have. Betting isn't a sign of manliness. In fact, in this case, it's just you being a POG by clearly saying you want someone to get hurt so you can be proven "right". :bricks:
 
Armstead had the same sort of infection from his surgery that Gronk had. (And the surgeries occurred at different hospitals with different doctors).

No, his was different. He caught a "Stash" infection, and it was diagnosed by Dr. Belichick.;)
 
WTF? What is it you think that video proves exactly? Neither Red Bryant nor Mebane plays like Vince. Neither were "occupying two blockers ZOMG!!!" in any of the plays in that video. If you look at that video and you see similarities to what the Pats look like when Vince is lined up then lol at you. They have studs all over the line.

And I never once said anything even remotely approaching that interior pressure doesn't mean anything. What bizarre concoction of incompetence and dishonesty are you going for here exactly?

Ha ha. Time for bed.
 
What the hell would you know about logic? You've already shown you're completely clueless about football and how any defense using a NT actually works.

People have already explained to you have the Pats defense would improve with Wilfork taking up two defenders in the pass rush. If you'd actually watched any Pats games in the last 7-8 years, you'd know that Wilfork is double teamed on every play he's on the field. That's not CLICHE. That's fact. Something you have a hard time grasping.

Chandler Jones showed that he improved over the previous year by putting up 11.5 sacks last year. The Patriots, as a team, put up 47 sacks. That was the MOST by a Patriots defense since Belichick took over. That's FACT you can't dispute. And guess what? Wilfork missed 13 games and Kelly 11. As was pointed out to you, Jones put up only 8.5 sacks in the 13 games that Wilfork wasn't on the field. If you had actually watched the games, you'd know that it was because Jones was getting double-teams quite a bit.

So, reason stands that with Both Wilfork and Jones on the field, the offense will either have to flip the strong side to Left side opposite Jones, go with a double TE set so they can double up Jones, or chip Jones with a RB and hope it's enough to keep Jones from getting to the QB. However, if they double up both Wilfork and Jones, that leaves Ninkovich and whomever is playing the 3/5 tech in one on one situations. It also leaves the LBers with no one to pick them up on a blitz.

I'm getting pretty bored with this, you are just regurgitating what other posters said before without even reading the thread.

Anyone who sorts by sacks as a definitive defensive pass rush metric is not to be taken seriously. Pats were middle of the pack last year in pass defense efficiency. The year before that, with Vince, they were horrendous. Your argument doesn't even make sense Jones improved without Wilfork therefore he must be better with Wilfork because what, you say so? Because rahraharah Jones got double teamed! (not true at all btw). You are just making **** up. You have no idea what you are even watching, you are just repeating cliches.
Wilfork doesn't take up two defenders on passing downs, bro. He hasn't for like 3+ years at least.
 
My man is back! What a class act. Love the deal and I'm hoping this defense is as stout as they come, pass or run. I'm glad he came through.
 
Clearly, you don't understand the English language. That sentence clearly applied to the 3 guys you mentioned in the previous sentence. You made no distinctions. Had you done so, it wouldn't have been as easy as you made it.

Are you a real person? You got me, I was inexact with the english language! Heaven forbid you used your contextual wherewithal to bail you out of that quandry!



Kinda hard to measure something you don't have. Betting isn't a sign of manliness. In fact, in this case, it's just you being a POG by clearly saying you want someone to get hurt so you can be proven "right". :bricks:

oh man, we've been reduced to claiming I don't have a penis.

Idiot, I wasn't trying to be manly, I was proving that you don't actually believe what you are typing. I don't want anyone to get hurt. It will or will not happen. I think it is likely, you apparently think that's a rage-inducing outrageously wrong position based on me being the biggest idiot in the world whose never even watched SUNDAY NFL COUNTDOWN FROM MUH COUCH.

If you actually believed it was unlikely i am giving you a profit opportunity. Why would you not take it? We can escrow with anyone you want.

Odds please.
 
I've been here one year.

This is easily the most entertaining thread I've read here.

Vince and Kelly are back - YAY! What I saw last year in preseason were two huge guys pushing the pocket, which is something needed to beat a Manning. I also saw a Pats team that won the first 5 games with DEFENSE.

And then had to win with crazy offense when Kelly and Wilfork were gone, as opposing teams were always 3rd and 2 instead of 3rd and 6.

By the way, BOTH of these guys were iron men prior to last year.

I don't know if Vince, or Kelly, will be the same. But there's a hell of a better chance of that happening than there is of drafting a kid at 29 who will step in and do a better join year 1.

And if those two are back and Armstead lives up to the hype, then the additions to this team will give us a defense that can actually get off the field. 3rd and 7 isn't going to be a good position against the 2014 edition of the Patriots...

Now, go get me a LB, a TE, and OL in the draft...
 
I'm not gonna measure ****s with you. how much will you wager that one doesn't get injured for >5 games next year?
Wouldn't wagering on something that would be a complete pull-out-of-your-ass guess by both of you be the textbook definition of measuring ****s?
 
Wouldn't wagering on something that would be a complete pull-out-of-your-ass guess by both of you be the textbook definition of measuring ****s?

No. It's also not a complete pull-out-of-your-ass guess though. I'm even willing to lay odds on it. DaBruinz seems to have disappeared though.
 
So if I understand the math correct.

Wilfork will count not a dollar more off this years cap than he would if he had been released or traded, is this correct?
 
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