NFL 10 years from implosion!(per Mark Cuban)

Cuban should focus on the NBA because this year has been awful. Half of the teams started tanking in the offseason and when a small market team gets good the rich just still it's players. This season has been boring to say the least. Give me the NHL over the NBA

The NFL will at a certain point overreach and they are going to keep pushing. They want to expand the playoffs and they probbaly will because it wont alter that much but then they are going to try and expand to 18 games and then to more days to broadcast the game and they will start running into problems. The NFL will end up having to backtrack or double down and seeing how long they tried to (and still kind of are) deny the long term effect of concussions they will double down and it could cause them serious problems.

It's common for showman-style businessmen to predict bad outcomes for their competitors. Some of the funniest things I've heard in business have been in that vein, e.g. Larry Ellison saying of a competitor's own competitive projections, "They must have a better pharmacist than I do."

The thing that pisses me off is Greedell's continued bleatings that this "is for our fans. "It's what our fans want...." Total bullsh.t. It is very very clear that the fans don't want more games or more play-off teams but the owners want more MONEY and aren't going to let anything get in the way of them getting it.

Coming from an NBA coach... LOL

dannydyn said:

Coming from an NBA coach... LOL

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And the highest paid "coach" at that..........

FreeTedWilliams said:

Funny back in the 70's when I was in school, they used to tell us that soccer would be the #1 sport in ten years AND we would all be using the metric system!

Neither one is ever going to be true!!!

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LOL soccer and the metric system -- when will the US join the World Community? Hopefully never!

wizwor said:

LOL soccer and the metric system -- when will the US join the World Community? Hopefully never!

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If you'd just put your power lines away from trees and build roads that don't crater as soon as the temperature drops below freezing, you can stay as underdeveloped as you like.

dannydyn said:

Coming from an NBA coach... LOL

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He's an owner not a coach....one of the best owners in North American sports. At least you got the sport right somebody thought he was in hockey lol.

oldrover said:

And why is that? Because a million cable channels have to air SOMEthing.

If soccer will be popular in the US... IMHO... it will be because at minimum the game changes to the point where an average score is 5-4... not 0-0.

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I dunno, exposure plays a huge part in that process. Up until very recently, the average American was unable to view world-class soccer competition. 5 years ago, I would have struggled to name more than 3-4 international teams. Now I follow EPL pretty closely, try to keep somewhat up to date with La Liga, and even follow a bit of the German league (Bayern fan). And the best part is that it's getting much easier to follow all of them. I still can't get a lot of games that I want to see, but if I'm willing to make it appointment viewing, I can catch a lot of the major games.

Nowadays, I check the headlines for soccer news every morning, I talk about it with my friends, I've picked a favorite team in each of the major leagues, I go to 3-4 Galaxy games per year, and to be honest I follow soccer in general about as closely as I follow baseball. We're still a long way off from soccer becoming a top spot contender in America, but for the first time, people who want to follow world-class competition have the ability to, and that's a huge part of the process.

Mike the Brit said:

If you'd just put your power lines away from trees and build roads that don't crater as soon as the temperature drops below freezing, you can stay as underdeveloped as you like.

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I live in New Hampshire. We have great roads. And great healthcare -- this week, anyway.

Five years ago the 1:00 PM games ended at 4:00PM....now 4:20PM.
Attending the games, the TV time outs are insufferable. The breaks after kickoffs, after EPs, during replays......all contribute to a lack of flow which crushes the live game experience. And viewing from home, thanks to the lightning click remote skills I skip the commercials which proves that advertisers are losing the battle of reaching its audience. And then there is the DVR. ......If I miss a Pats game and it gets replayed on NFL Network, talk about double speed avoidance of the commercial element.
Contrast the NFL with Sat/Sun AMs watching Liverpool in the Premier League....I'm hooked and much has to do with and endless flow of action uninterrupted by Chevy commercials. Ninety minutes of action that is played in less than two hours. (Football=11 minutes of action expanded to 3 hours 20 minutes) The EPL....How sports is intended to be played. Not..."I went to a commercial festival and a football game showed up."
Baseball lost me thanks to 4 hour snooze fests.....and the marathon football game that believes automatic EPs, touchback kickoffs, and automatic replays is entertainment....they need to to rethink and condense. Our youth has an attention span of mere minutes ...yet the NFL is is taking on the MLB approach of slotting the "correct" amount of commercials. Sure business is good because they now have an extra half hour to sell chips....but If not for the Pats, I'd be long gone....just like baseball.

Ivan said:

The thing that pisses me off is Greedell's continued bleatings that this "is for our fans. "It's what our fans want...." Total bullsh.t. It is very very clear that the fans don't want more games or more play-off teams but the owners want more MONEY and aren't going to let anything get in the way of them getting it.

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Yes, its not about the money. Sounds familiar, and just as un believable. Its my opinion to what Cuban said has some truth to it. And ever since Goodhell became comish the money grab has excellerated, along with the ridiculous new rules like no spiking the ball over the goal post. His latest. The way its going i may not be able to watch the game in ten years if i live that long. Because of whats taken place i the last couple of years i've already lost some interest.

Mark Cuban also saw himself as a movie producer. :bricks:

reflexblue said:

Yes, its not about the money. Sounds familiar, and just as un believable. Its my opinion to what Cuban said has some truth to it. And ever since Goodhell became comish the money grab has excellerated, along with the ridiculous new rules like no spiking the ball over the goal post. His latest. The way its going i may not be able to watch the game in ten years if i live that long. Because of whats taken place i the last couple of years i've already lost some interest.

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i feel the same way. ive become a patriots fan only instead of a nfl fan that ive been for a long time. i miss the nfl of 15 or 20 years ago.

When I read Cuban's comments, it seems to me that if you replaced 'NFL' with 'NBA' - which not so ironically he is a part of - and replaced the word 'football' with the word 'basketball' then the comments would be more accurate.



The NBA starts play in October and doesn't end the regular season until mid-April. After that the playoffs continue until late June - and then less than three months later, in late September training camps open along with preseason games.

An NBA owner is the last person that should be pointing his finger, talking about a sports league getting too greedy by over-saturating their product.



Also, a point of clarification in regards to Cuban's comment about the NFL impacting college games by broadcasting on Saturday (or high school games on Friday night). The Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961 prevents the NFL from competing with college football; they can't broadcast a game on Saturday until the third Saturday of December, when college football is expected to be finished. There is an antitrust exemption in place that isn't being changed anytime soon that prevents the NFL from broadcasting games between 6:00 pm Friday and 12 noon Sunday, beginning on the second Friday in September and ending on the second Saturday in December.

I'm not sure that I agree with Cuban, although I see what he is saying.

The NFL regular season only lasts 17 weeks, which is only around 4 months (or one-third of the year). Every time football season rolls around again, fans are hungry for it.

Personally, I'll continue to watch on Thursdays and Mondays, as well as Saturday games, which only happen after college football is done, I think...not too much...only 2 Saturday games next season, I believe. I'll at least tune the TV to that, if I'm not actually captivated. Don't forget about flex-scheduling, where they want the late-season primetime games to be meaningful, either.

Talk about viewers "getting sick" of something, talk about baseball where each team plays 162 games in the regular season alone...I think anyway. There are like 2,430 games that are played each season. Then you have the postseason, which has somewhere between 26 to 43 games. One is enough for me, as I find it boring, but that's besides the point...baseball hasn't imploded.

Compare that to football, where there is only what, 256 games in the regular season? There's nearly 10 TIMES that in baseball, which manages to generate enough continued interest even though it's clearly less popular to begin with. All other sports in general have a LOT more games every year than football.

If football were to implode, I think it will have more to do with how it's run, not by overexposure.

oldrover said:

And why is that? Because a million cable channels have to air SOMEthing.

If soccer will be popular in the US... IMHO... it will be because at minimum the game changes to the point where an average score is 5-4... not 0-0.

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I coached and managed youth soccer for 10 years, taking players to numerous MLS games when the Washington United under Bruce Arena were the class of the league. I attended with my kids, both soccer players, the Saudi Arabia/Netherlands 1994 World Cup game at RFK where Said Owairan of Saudi Arabia beat Belgium with a full field dash through the entire Belgium team that is considered one of the ten greatest goals in World Cup history.

Do I watch soccer now? No. The low scoring and the complacency of its fans to this problem have alienated me. In the first six World Cup finals that were played (beginning in 1930) the total number of goals scored were 6, 3, 6, 3, 5, and 7. In the last six World Cup finals, the total number of goals scored were 1, 0, 3, 2, 2, and 1. As in all sports, the athletes have gotten bigger, stronger, and faster, effectively shrinking the size of the field. Unlike the NFL, which pays attention to the balance between offense and defense (though admittedly favoring offense of late), FIFA doesn't care. And it needn't care because the world-wide fan base of the "beautiful game" considers it perfect. A Chilean friend of mine was greatly offended when I suggested that "football" was too low scoring.

No, unless soccer reforms itself, it will remain a second tier sport in the United States, no matter how many international games are broadcast here.

KontradictioN said:

Of course he does. Most shrewd businessmen do when they make a public statement about a competing company like this one. That doesn't make his point any less right.

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You can't claim his point is "right" until it happens. It's pure, heavily biased conjecture on his part. What do you think he's trying to do -- give the NFL the benefit of his "wisdom"?

PATSNUTme said:

Mark Cuban also saw himself as a movie producer. :bricks:

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Come now - haven't we all told a girl or two that we were a 'movie producer'?