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I'd do back flips if BB could pull this off. I could see Brady breaking some records.

Who cares? Brady has broken plenty of records since 2007, and it hasn't gotten us anywhere.

Jackson is a great talent, but he would be a me-first player in a team-first organization, he would kill our cap situation, and he would ruin all the effort that's gone into building a low-cost WR-by-committee approach. I'd rather spread the ball around to 5-6 guys and use the RBs more in the passing game than get a high-priced prima donna WR. Maybe we'd get lucky and get 1 Randy Moss 2007 kind of year out of him before things start to fall apart, but we'd pay for it down the road. I'll pass.

I do think Jackson makes sense for the Jets. They have plenty of cap space, and they have an extra 4th round pick from Tampa Bay courtesy of the 2013 Revis trade. Trade a 3rd to Philly and you suddenly have Jackson and Eric Decker at WR, possibly with Michael Vick reunited with Jackson. That could be the best Jets' offense we've seen under Rex Ryan. Jackson is basically an upgrade over Santonio Holmes, and his personality fits in much better with the Jets than with the Patriots. They're welcome to him, as far as I'm concerned.
 
I've pretty much confirmed we're getting DeSean Jackson.

LaFell was given a choice between 10 and 19. Rumors of Jackson trade pick up, LaFell picks 19.

DESEAN JACKSON CONFIRMED.
 
I've pretty much confirmed we're getting DeSean Jackson.

LaFell was given a choice between 10 and 19. Rumors of Jackson trade pick up, LaFell picks 19.

DESEAN JACKSON CONFIRMED.

source? 10 chars
 
I've pretty much confirmed we're getting DeSean Jackson.

LaFell was given a choice between 10 and 19. Rumors of Jackson trade pick up, LaFell picks 19.

DESEAN JACKSON CONFIRMED.

This better be true... But LaFell picking number 19 doesn't mean we're getting Jackson, but please god let it be true. I said earlier, who would we cut? Josh Boyce, cut him, get Desean. :p
 
Julian Edelman is our best WR at the moment so, I can't imagine anyone in here would say "no" to adding a reliable and highly productive Jackson if sal cap wasn't the issue.

As for the sal cap factoring in, some will be fine with playing the futures game while others will want no part of it.
 
Josh Boyce, cut him, get Desean. :p

Why would you want to cut Josh Boyce - who could be a good kick returner at the least over Kenbrell Thompkins who showed nothing as the season went on?

Although people thinking LaFell taking 19 = Jackson signing and believing strngplyr was being serious was pretty funny.
 
Why would you want to cut Josh Boyce - who could be a good kick returner at the least over Kenbrell Thompkins who showed nothing as the season went on?

Although people thinking LaFell taking 19 = Jackson signing and believing strngplyr was being serious was pretty funny.

i didn't believe him. I just asked for a source...
 
Why would you want to cut Josh Boyce - who could be a good kick returner at the least over Kenbrell Thompkins who showed nothing as the season went on?

Although people thinking LaFell taking 19 = Jackson signing and believing strngplyr was being serious was pretty funny.

I just think Thompkins showed more upside. Boyce was the only one of our receivers who still consistently dropped balls later in the season.

And I didn't believe him, I meant please let it be true we trade for him. I said that LaFell taking 19 has nothing to do with who we may pick up later on. He'll take what he wants, as he's already proved by blowing off the Panthers.
 
While I don't see this happening, wouldn't all it take on our part is releasing Vince? That would give us about 11.5 million in cap room. We would be 1 million under the cap and have 3 months to restructure other players in order to sign the rookies in June.

You guys are JUST F'n amazing. And after we have to spend 3 months trying to scrap together the money to sign rookies, just what are you going to do for the 2 OLmen we need to add. The 3rd DE and 2 LB's that are an absolute necessities. Not to mention, Blount, depth and competition. Yeah, lets give up all this so we can add ANOTHER WR, who is going to get about 6-10 targets a game....maybe.

Your lack of understanding on how to build a championship football team is simply STAGGERING!!!!...and rather surprising since you've been witnessing the RIGHT way to do it for over a decade. I'm disgusted and you should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping this loser thread active about 100 posts past its due date. :rolleyes:
 
You guys are JUST F'n amazing. And after we have to spend 3 months trying to scrap together the money to sign rookies, just what are you going to do for the 2 OLmen we need to add. The 3rd DE and 2 LB's that are an absolute necessities. Not to mention, Blount, depth and competition. Yeah, lets give up all this so we can add ANOTHER WR, who is going to get about 6-10 targets a game....maybe.

Your lack of understanding on how to build a championship football team is simply STAGGERING!!!!...and rather surprising since you've been witnessing the RIGHT way to do it for over a decade. I'm disgusted and you should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping this loser thread active about 100 posts past its due date. :rolleyes:

Ken as your psychiatrist I think you've been holding in too much lately. Let it out. You'll feel much better. If that doesn't work double up on the pills I prescribed.
 
Your lack of understanding on how to build a championship football team is simply STAGGERING!!!!...and rather surprising since you've been witnessing the RIGHT way to do it for over a decade. I'm disgusted and you should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping this loser thread active about 100 posts past its due date. :rolleyes:

for the record, I am against signing Jackson...HOWEVER...

Patfanken...please explain to all members of this forum your own specific experience building a "championship football team." lol. cmon guy relax...

and secondly, we've witnessed doing it (winning championships)the right way for a decade...how many super bowl championships have we won in the last 10 years? 0.

we need a deep threat, I think everyone agrees. I personally don't think Jackson and his cap # and baggage are the answer but I think your little tantrum is WAYYYY offf
 
You guys are JUST F'n amazing. And after we have to spend 3 months trying to scrap together the money to sign rookies, just what are you going to do for the 2 OLmen we need to add. The 3rd DE and 2 LB's that are an absolute necessities. Not to mention, Blount, depth and competition. Yeah, lets give up all this so we can add ANOTHER WR, who is going to get about 6-10 targets a game....maybe.

Your lack of understanding on how to build a championship football team is simply STAGGERING!!!!...and rather surprising since you've been witnessing the RIGHT way to do it for over a decade. I'm disgusted and you should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping this loser thread active about 100 posts past its due date. :rolleyes:

Why has it been reported that the Patriots have inquired about trading for Jackson? Surely, between him, Britt, and their working out of Marquise Lee, they're interested in another WR that "is going to get about 6-10 targets a game.... maybe". Are you suggesting that the Patriots don't know how to build a championship roster? Did you even think this post through before you made it?
 
You guys are JUST F'n amazing. And after we have to spend 3 months trying to scrap together the money to sign rookies, just what are you going to do for the 2 OLmen we need to add. The 3rd DE and 2 LB's that are an absolute necessities. Not to mention, Blount, depth and competition. Yeah, lets give up all this so we can add ANOTHER WR, who is going to get about 6-10 targets a game....maybe.

Your lack of understanding on how to build a championship football team is simply STAGGERING!!!!...and rather surprising since you've been witnessing the RIGHT way to do it for over a decade. I'm disgusted and you should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping this loser thread active about 100 posts past its due date. :rolleyes:

You don't have a ******* clue how to build a championship football team. Which is why your posting on a fan site and not in the NFL. Delusional people on here is STAGGERING!!!
 
for the record, I am against signing Jackson...HOWEVER...

Patfanken...please explain to all members of this forum your own specific experience building a "championship football team." lol. cmon guy relax...

and secondly, we've witnessed doing it (winning championships)the right way for a decade...how many super bowl championships have we won in the last 10 years? 0.

we need a deep threat, I think everyone agrees. I personally don't think Jackson and his cap # and baggage are the answer but I think your little tantrum is WAYYYY offf
First, I want to make clear that I wasn't referring directly to Patsinthesnow during my rant. The "you" in the post was plural and includes all those who actually think BB would destroy his chances at competing for a title for the sake of a landing a one player who plays a position BB feels is the most replaceable on the field.

OK Billy, point one. My experience comes from the same place your's should. By closely watch closely how BB has sustained an elite team for the last 13 years. It comes from watching other NFL teams build great teams. It comes from watching teams who attempt to create fantasy football teams, like you are proposing FAIL time after time. the Pats won 3 titles and only had a single 1000 yd receiver ONCE.

Point 2. The Pats were in 2 superbowls in the last 10 years (no one has been in more), and the lack of a great WR wasn't the reason they lost either of those games. We had one in 2007 and we still lost, and it 2011 our best WR dropped a pass that would have won the game. (not that was the only reason)

Point 3. I've never understood the term "deep threat" Last season, there wasn't a single game where we didn't have a WR open deep. Everyone from Gronk, and Edelman to Boyce and Dobson. Some worked out, some didn't but the fact is they WERE deep threats.

Point 4. Jackson has a fantastic year last season. He's a great talent. I'd love to have him. I'd love to have Charles Johnson too....and Agib Talib, and Allen, and a healthy 26 year old Vince, and an first team all pro at every position. But the problem is I live in the real world, and NONE of that is going to happen. The problem is that YOU and those like you, want to build a fantasy football team, while Bill has been the most successful football coach in the last 13 years NOT doing it that way.

Point 5. There is no way we could add Jackson and still do the nitty gritty things that HAVE to get done if we are to have another chance to win in 2014. What is so frustrating for me is that there is no other fan base that should better understand this than US! Yet we continually have threads like this which are beneath us. This is thread you'd expect to find on JI. We've had 13 years to learn how its done up close.

Perhaps I should just ignore it, but I think we should be better. There are so many reasons why signing Jackson SHOULDN'T happen, and most of them are obvious. This thread should have been talked about and dismissed about 160 posts ago. It was a non-starter from the beginning, and that it goes on is driving me NUTS. :eek:

But I am better now. I have had my say past the point of redundancy. Feel free to carry on. I promise I won't interrupt again;)
 
First, I want to make clear that I wasn't referring directly to Patsinthesnow during my rant. The "you" in the post was plural and includes all those who actually think BB would destroy his chances at competing for a title for the sake of a landing a one player who plays a position BB feels is the most replaceable on the field.

OK Billy, point one. My experience comes from the same place your's should. By closely watch closely how BB has sustained an elite team for the last 13 years. It comes from watching other NFL teams build great teams. It comes from watching teams who attempt to create fantasy football teams, like you are proposing FAIL time after time. the Pats won 3 titles and only had a single 1000 yd receiver ONCE.

Point 2. The Pats were in 2 superbowls in the last 10 years (no one has been in more), and the lack of a great WR wasn't the reason they lost either of those games. We had one in 2007 and we still lost, and it 2011 our best WR dropped a pass that would have won the game. (not that was the only reason)

Point 3. I've never understood the term "deep threat" Last season, there wasn't a single game where we didn't have a WR open deep. Everyone from Gronk, and Edelman to Boyce and Dobson. Some worked out, some didn't but the fact is they WERE deep threats.

Point 4. Jackson has a fantastic year last season. He's a great talent. I'd love to have him. I'd love to have Charles Johnson too....and Agib Talib, and Allen, and a healthy 26 year old Vince, and an first team all pro at every position. But the problem is I live in the real world, and NONE of that is going to happen. The problem is that YOU and those like you, want to build a fantasy football team, while Bill has been the most successful football coach in the last 13 years NOT doing it that way.

Point 5. There is no way we could add Jackson and still do the nitty gritty things that HAVE to get done if we are to have another chance to win in 2014. What is so frustrating for me is that there is no other fan base that should better understand this than US! Yet we continually have threads like this which are beneath us. This is thread you'd expect to find on JI. We've had 13 years to learn how its done up close.

Perhaps I should just ignore it, but I think we should be better. There are so many reasons why signing Jackson SHOULDN'T happen, and most of them are obvious. This thread should have been talked about and dismissed about 160 posts ago. It was a non-starter from the beginning, and that it goes on is driving me NUTS. :eek:

But I am better now. I have had my say past the point of redundancy. Feel free to carry on. I promise I won't interrupt again;)

Given your obvious level of expertise on building a sustainable, championship caliber NFL roster, shouldn't you, you know, be out there doing it, instead of rolling around the muck with us heathens on a fan site?

2014 called....they said they have an Ignore Thread option.:bricks:
 
Why has it been reported that the Patriots have inquired about trading for Jackson? Surely, between him, Britt, and their working out of Marquise Lee, they're interested in another WR that "is going to get about 6-10 targets a game.... maybe". Are you suggesting that the Patriots don't know how to build a championship roster? Did you even think this post through before you made it?
As for working out Lee, the Pats often work out players even though they'll never have the opportunity to draft them. There were Pats scouts at the Bortles work out. What are the chance we draft him? As for bringing in Britt, how often do the Pats bring in FA's just to kick the tires and add to their data base, and then not sign the guy. I'd love to see the Pats sign Britt to a minimum deal that doesn't add to our cap situation. I'm all for competition.

But this isn't about Britt at short money, its about Jackson at a $10MM cap hit PLUS a 2nd day draft pick, in a year where draft picks are particularly valuable. And as to the report that the Pats inquired about him, who knows if its even true. Anyone give a source? Have the Pats or Eagles said anything about. Personally I believe that all the trade talk is a ploy by the Eagles to point out that he's not indispensable and put him in his place. I'm sure BB would be happy to help his buddy Chip out and lend credence to the rumors.

C'mon Kontra. You do the math. You know what yet needs to be done on the OL, DE, DT, LB's and TE's before we can comfortably see this team as a contender with both talent AND depth. It just can't be done if we add $10,000,000 cap number and lose a key draft pick.

Christ we have no C, we are down TWO LB's, a 3rd DE, and Blount, and would only have $2MM in cap space left to do all that IF we cut Vince and signed Jackson. And that's not counting the $1.6MM we need to sign our rookies. The numbers just don't add up, buddy
 
As for working out Lee, the Pats often work out players even though they'll never have the opportunity to draft them. There were Pats scouts at the Bortles work out. What are the chance we draft him? As for bringing in Britt, how often do the Pats bring in FA's just to kick the tires and add to their data base, and then not sign the guy. I'd love to see the Pats sign Britt to a minimum deal that doesn't add to our cap situation. I'm all for competition.

But this isn't about Britt at short money, its about Jackson at a $10MM cap hit PLUS a 2nd day draft pick, in a year where draft picks are particularly valuable. And as to the report that the Pats inquired about him, who knows if its even true. Anyone give a source? Have the Pats or Eagles said anything about. Personally I believe that all the trade talk is a ploy by the Eagles to point out that he's not indispensable and put him in his place. I'm sure BB would be happy to help his buddy Chip out and lend credence to the rumors.

C'mon Kontra. You do the math. You know what yet needs to be done on the OL, DE, DT, LB's and TE's before we can comfortably see this team as a contender with both talent AND depth. It just can't be done if we add $10,000,000 cap number and lose a key draft pick.

Christ we have no C, we are down TWO LB's, a 3rd DE, and Blount, and would only have $2MM in cap space left to do all that IF we cut Vince and signed Jackson. And that's not counting the $1.6MM we need to sign our rookies. The numbers just don't add up, buddy

What's funny is that a couple of weeks ago, you called me a "second guesser" because I made a list of holes and needs for this team. Fast forward two weeks later, and every position you just mentioned was in my list. I, at least, find that hilarious if not ironic. As for the way the offseason has gone, between the signing of Lafell and the looks at Britt, Jackson, and Lee, I think it's pretty obvious the team feels they need one more WR in addition to the other positions you just mentioned. Whether or not it's Jackson, I'm not sure. But I do agree with the need, at the very least citing health history in that area. I would love Jackson, personally, but I don't see any realistic way we can afford his cap number short of just cutting Wilfork.
 
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