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Do you want Welker to retire a Patriot?

  • Yes. Welker was a great Patriot for us, worked hard, and I'd welcome him back when he retires.

    Votes: 29 19.3%
  • No. Welker is dead to me after joining Peyton. Unforgivable offense.

    Votes: 96 64.0%
  • Ask me in a few years when the scars have had more time to heal.

    Votes: 25 16.7%

  • Total voters
    150
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heh...do you want John Damon to retire a Red Sox?

do you want him to go in as Johnny or, as he renamed himself as a true Yankee, John?

do you think Welker EVER cared one iota, one atomic particle, about the New England Patriot fanbase?...the kids hearts he ripped out of their little chests still beating?

That ******' turnip brain can't rot in hell deep enough AFAIC....

so...NO...let him retire a TRUE Bronco like his best buddy Pay-Me-Tons.
Absolutely correct sir. After old noodle arm sets him up for a couple more concussions, he can retire as a Bronco.
 
Dude was one of the best Patriot players of all time.

Welker doesn't even sniff the top 10 best Patriots, maybe not even the top 25.

He wasn't with the Pats all that long and he will have spent a minority of his career with the team. He never won anything with New England either (often a reason a player makes a big deal of retiring with a former team).

I don't see why he would want to, nor do I see why the team would offer him that opportunity.

He had some really productive years, took some brutal hits, but in 20 years the lasting memory most have of Welker is going to be his drop(s) in big games. I watched every game he played with the Pats, every catch and honestly I can only really think of a few memorable positive plays (the 99 yard TD vs Miami for example).

Fair or not, Welker is probably going to go down as a guy who is remember more for the bad than the good.
 
Considering Talib was apparently okay with it instantly I can't possibly be mad at him for taking out Talib.
 
Screw him...just go away...
 
I meant for a one day contract for some pomp and ceremony, not to have a productive season with us.

In that case, by all means, um I forgot the subject. Seriously indifferent.
 
Considering Talib was apparently okay with it instantly I can't possibly be mad at him for taking out Talib.

Especially since he's gone now too.
 
Seymour, Vrabel, McGuinest, Curtis Martin, Lawyer Malloy, Drew Bledsoe, Asante, Woody, Moss...sign them all to one-day contracts and pretend they all ended their careers with the Pats. We'll have some good veteran leadership that day.
 
Welker doesn't even sniff the top 10 best Patriots, maybe not even the top 25.

25 I'd rank ahead of Welker, in no order:

Brady
Cappelleti
Tippett
Bruschi
Hannah
Grogan
Brown
Faulk
Buoniconti
Clayborn
Moss
Morgan
Nance
Cunningham
Vrabel
Armstrong
Harrison
Coates
Law
Bledsoe
Haynes
Wilfork
McGinest
Morris
Francis

Others I'd put up ahead of him too:

Johnson
Seymour
Milloy
Samuel
Dillon
Vinatieri
Martin
Parilli
 
because I want to be reminded one last time...

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25 I'd rank ahead of Welker, in no order:

Brady
Cappelleti
Tippett
Bruschi
Hannah
Grogan
Brown
Faulk
Buoniconti
Clayborn
Moss
Morgan
Nance
Cunningham
Vrabel
Armstrong
Harrison
Coates
Law
Bledsoe
Haynes
Wilfork
McGinest
Morris
Francis

Others I'd put up ahead of him too:

Johnson
Seymour
Milloy
Samuel
Dillon
Vinatieri
Martin
Parilli

Yea....I don't care if he's a kicker. Adam Vinatieri in my opinion is a top 3 Patriot of all time. I'd actually only put Brady ahead of him.

Dude was clutch, and not only that. We won every SB by 3 points. Unfortunately he jumped to the colts so that tarnishes his legacy here, but damn was he good.
 
25 I'd rank ahead of Welker, in no order:

Brady
Cappelleti
Tippett
Bruschi
Hannah
Grogan
Brown
Faulk
Buoniconti
Clayborn
Moss
Morgan
Nance
Cunningham
Vrabel
Armstrong
Harrison
Coates
Law
Bledsoe
Haynes
Wilfork
McGinest
Morris
Francis

Others I'd put up ahead of him too:

Johnson
Seymour
Milloy
Samuel
Dillon
Vinatieri
Martin
Parilli

I think Seymour is top 10.
 
I think Seymour is top 10.

Yep, I could accept the argument he's Top 25, but Top 10 is pretty crowded. Not sure why I didn't include him in the Top 25; same with Vinatieri.
 
Yep, I could accept the argument he's Top 25, but Top 10 is pretty crowded. Not sure why I didn't include him in the Top 25; same with Vinatieri.

The Pats have had two kickers who have or had a higher success rate and a stronger leg than Vinatieri. Gostkowski and Robbie Gould (who they let go rather than dump AV, only to see him walk away anyway.) I agree that AV hit one of the greatest kicks of all time vs Oakland in 2001, but he's still just a kicker who has missed some key chip shot FGs, and without some of the names on the top 25 list he wouldn't have been in position to hit any big kicks or survived his misses.
 
I don't care

Welker can go eff himself
 
Give it some time and ask me again... NO would be my guess but you never know
 
yes, but it does need a little time maybe if Welker comes back after next season or something then it will heal faster but we will reconcile with him eventually.
 
Welker is not, "dead to me" (as the Poll puts it), but my answer is "No."

To my mind, enabling a former player who went to another team for financial or other reasons to retire as a Pat should be reserved for a guy who started with the Pats, spent a whole lot of years here, contributed to a Championship and then left for maybe a year or two to pick up a check. If, for example, Brady were to do the highly unlikely and virtually unimaginable and go to another team that needs a marquee player to put fannies in the seats when he is 40 for way more money than he is worth and plays out his last couple of seasons with that team, I would want to see him be able to retire as a Patriot. Ditto would have held for Brewski and a few others.

Welker was here for six years and, if you count his brief stint in San Diego, he is now on his fourth NFL team, but certainly by any reasonable reckoning, he is on his third. He was not part of a championship and arguably (it is debatable) had Bob Kraft's fourth Lombardi in his hands on what would have been a tough catch and couldn't hold onto it.

So no. He is not "dead to me" because the NFL is a business and he opted for the bucks, but he should not be able to retire as a Patriot unless he were to return for next season and play a couple of final years with Brady...which ain't gonna happen.
 
No I do not want him to come back to retire a Patriot. Why would I?
He only played here for 6 years. And yes, he played well during that time. But our QB likely had a little something to do with that. How do you think Welker would have fared had say Tim Couch been throwing him passes for those 6 years?

One thing you are not factoring in here is that our coach, for whatever reason, does not like Welker. He really does not like the guy. So why would he bring him back for a day to retire as as Pat?
Do we bring back Ty Warren too?
 
The Pats have had two kickers who have or had a higher success rate and a stronger leg than Vinatieri. Gostkowski and Robbie Gould (who they let go rather than dump AV, only to see him walk away anyway.) I agree that AV hit one of the greatest kicks of all time vs Oakland in 2001, but he's still just a kicker who has missed some key chip shot FGs, and without some of the names on the top 25 list he wouldn't have been in position to hit any big kicks or survived his misses.

Disagree.

But this is a discussion that has been hashed and re-hashed in literally dozens of threads. None of us are going to change anyone's mind.

My view is that #4 is not "just a kicker" by any definition of that term. The Tuck Game kick (the one that tied the game) has been called the greatest kick under pressure in the history of the NFL, even by haters. He then went on to make an easier kick but still under tough conditions to win that game and later kicked a 48 yard FG with time expiring to win XXXVI and a 41 yarder with seconds left on the clock to win SB XXXVIII. In addition to those kicks with everything on the line, his stats are more than fine. Great players make great plays when they have to be made. I think he belongs in Canton and I believe he will get there.

I don't expect you to change your mind; please don't expect to change mine.
 
So just to be clear, are we talking about him signing a one day contract with the Pats prior to retirement?

If so, there should be a fourth option of "DO NOT CARE" because I think this practice is silly. Does it matter that Jerry Rice signs a one day contract with the Niners, do we REALLY consider him to be a true Niner's player when he retired? If we do it's not at all because of the one day contract, it's because we recognize his glory days with the team.

If we are talking about bringing Welker back to play prior to retirement, if the money and role is right, let's do it. It's a business in which it's a bad idea to hold a grudge, just look at Revis....he is now playing for the man he called a jerk.
 
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