2014 Draft Needs

everlong said:

No insults, just calling you the rabid dog you are.

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Off The Grid said:

But, yeah: Feel free to hid behind Internet Anonymity and insult me by calling me a "rabid dog.

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Right cause the emoticon smilie didn't indicate I was totally kidding. You win I'm done with you.

Snake Eyes said:

will ASJ be there at our 2nd round pick?

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I hope so I'm a big fan.

I wonder if drafting Jordan Tripp can help the Pats in the Linebackers position?

I think we can probably take WR of the draft needs list (unless they don't like Boyce). Even if you don't include Boyce and Thompkins, we're still only looking at a #4 WR as a need. UDFA only I suspect now.

ATippett56 said:

I'm not willing to pin my hopes on a 32 year old Vince Wilfork (recovering from Achilles Tendon surgery no less) and a 33 year old Tommy Kelly to play at a high level forever. As seen this season, Sopoaga and Vellano are not the answer to shore up the New England Patriots rush defense. A proactive approach is necessitated to provide the necessary depth at the defensive tackle position going forward.

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This...
Now that the defensive backfield has been addressed it's time to draft DT, I'm hoping for two in the first four rounds.

manxman2601 said:

I think we can probably take WR of the draft needs list (unless they don't like Boyce). Even if you don't include Boyce and Thompkins, we're still only looking at a #4 WR as a need. UDFA only I suspect now.

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Part of me agrees and then part thinks well two of the top three are slot guys and the outside receiver just had foot surgery. I think we can at least say it take a top three rounds receiver off the board. Unless somebody crazy is available.

I think at this point TE has to be considered the number one need. A pass rusher a close second. Interior OL and DL next. I'd still take a CB and safety for depth. Some guys like Jimmie Ward, Donte Moncrief, Kyle Fuller....probably aren't going to be early round options any longer.

Brandon Coleman is still the WR i have most focus on. Caserio controlled Rutgers pro day and hes slowly comeing back from the knee injury.

Luxusdk said:

Brandon Coleman is still the WR i have most focus on. Caserio controlled Rutgers pro day and hes slowly comeing back from the knee injury.

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I now agree. He's about the only wide receiver I could see them drafting before day 3. I'm not a big fan, but I could see BB really liking the potential mismatches he'd create. Don't forget Mark Harrison though.

everlong said:

Part of me agrees and then part thinks well two of the top three are slot guys and the outside receiver just had foot surgery. I think we can at least say it take a top three rounds receiver off the board. Unless somebody crazy is available.

I think at this point TE has to be considered the number one need. A pass rusher a close second. Interior OL and DL next. I'd still take a CB and safety for depth. Some guys like Jimmie Ward, Donte Moncrief, Kyle Fuller....probably aren't going to be early round options any longer.

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I agree about TE being the number one need. I still think Hageman and Tuitt and maybe Nix could all challenge for a #1 pick though. I'm least keen on Nix there but I could see BB wanting that disruptive NT body if Wilfork leaves.

manxman2601 said:

I now agree. He's about the only wide receiver I could see them drafting before day 3. I'm not a big fan, but I could see BB really liking the potential mismatches he'd create. Don't forget Mark Harrison though.

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Trust me im not... Was high on Harrison last year, still is, reminds me of Brandon Marshall.

Coleman do i dare to say Calvin Johnson, true #1 wr potential, wanna be a cop, is relaxed, no diva about him.

manxman2601 said:

I agree about TE being the number one need. I still think Hageman and Tuitt and maybe Nix could all challenge for a #1 pick though. I'm least keen on Nix there but I could see BB wanting that disruptive NT body if Wilfork leaves.

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I just don't think the difference between Nix vs Ellis or Reid is enough to justify using a first round pick on a position that isn't based on being athletic. I can see Hageman or I can see trading down and getting ASJ and then trading up and getting Tuitt.

Luxusdk said:

Trust me im not... Was high on Harrison last year, still is, reminds me of Brandon Marshall.

Coleman do i dare to say Calvin Johnson, true #1 wr potential, wanna be a cop, is relaxed, no diva about him.

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Coleman has nothing like the athleticism of Calvin Johnson.

manxman2601 said:

I agree about TE being the number one need. I still think Hageman and Tuitt and maybe Nix could all challenge for a #1 pick though. I'm least keen on Nix there but I could see BB wanting that disruptive NT body if Wilfork leaves.

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I think with our free agent signings, tight end is in play with our first pick as is defensive tackle but I'm also wondering if the interior offensive line might be worth looking at as well. Anyone that you might consider with that pick or do you think there is better value in round 2 or 3? (maybe sua-filo, yankey)

manxman2601 said:

Coleman has nothing like the athleticism of Calvin Johnson.

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No because then he would be a top 3 pick... But both are relax Down on earth type on ppl and ofc ~size

everlong said:

I just don't think the difference between Nix vs Ellis or Reid is enough to justify using a first round pick on a position that isn't based on being athletic. I can see Hageman or I can see trading down and getting ASJ and then trading up and getting Tuitt.

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They've been my #1 and #2 for months so so can I. Hageman is rare though. I think he'll go much earlier, but if he does fall to us, it'll be hard for BB to pass on that size/athleticism combination. And I agree with you about Nix. Let's just say that it wouldn't surprise me if he was the pick.

ashley1992 said:

I think with our free agent signings, tight end is in play with our first pick as is defensive tackle but I'm also wondering if the interior offensive line might be worth looking at as well. Anyone that you might consider with that pick or do you think there is better value in round 2 or 3? (maybe sua-filo, yankey)

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I'm not a fan of Sua-Filo in the first but like him better in the second. I'm not sure that Yankey is a great fit for what the Patriots look for. Zach Martin would be an outstanding guard but he'd be a first round pick and our needs are just to big elsewhere to spend a first round pick on a RG. Can't see past Joel Bitonio being an ideal Patriots interior lineman with John Urschel being a good late round option. I'm still not sure where I am when it comes to the OC position. Richburg and Martin have the better tape but Swanson really does feel like a Patriot pick. I'm just not sure how they'll play the interior OL. I have a feeling that Wendell will be back but that's just a hunch.

manxman2601 said:

They've been my #1 and #2 for months so so can I. Hageman is rare though. I think he'll go much earlier, but if he does fall to us, it'll be hard for BB to pass on that size/athleticism combination. And I agree with you about Nix. Let's just say that it wouldn't surprise me if he was the pick.

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I agree. I think Hageman has Seymour potential. I can see Bill taking Nix but given his off season moves and free agent visits I think Bill is moving towards and attacking defense thus I think he's devalued the position as well. If VW by some miracle gets his deal re-worked than I'd say between him and Siliga Nix is out.

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I'm not a fan of Sua-Filo in the first but like him better in the second. I'm not sure that Yankey is a great fit for what the Patriots look for. Zach Martin would be an outstanding guard but he'd be a first round pick and our needs are just to big elsewhere to spend a first round pick on a RG. Can't see past Joel Bitonio being an ideal Patriots interior lineman with John Urschel being a good late round option. I'm still not sure where I am when it comes to the OC position. Richburg and Martin have the better tape but Swanson really does feel like a Patriot pick. I'm just not sure how they'll play the interior OL. I have a feeling that Wendell will be back but that's just a hunch.

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I have John Urschel as elite type center potential and right now my #1 Center. Would love to have him to control Xs and Os for the rest.

Bitonio #1 LG and Spencer Long #1 RG

All 3 plays nasty, are leaders and should be draft steals.

manxman2601 said:

I'm not a fan of Sua-Filo in the first but like him better in the second. I'm not sure that Yankey is a great fit for what the Patriots look for. Zach Martin would be an outstanding guard but he'd be a first round pick and our needs are just to big elsewhere to spend a first round pick on a RG. Can't see past Joel Bitonio being an ideal Patriots interior lineman with John Urschel being a good late round option. I'm still not sure where I am when it comes to the OC position. Richburg and Martin have the better tape but Swanson really does feel like a Patriot pick. I'm just not sure how they'll play the interior OL. I have a feeling that Wendell will be back but that's just a hunch.

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Thanks Manx, great info. I was thinking Martin might be an option, but just thought he'd be gone by the time we picked.

everlong said:

I just don't think the difference between Nix vs Ellis or Reid is enough to justify using a first round pick on a position that isn't based on being athletic. I can see Hageman or I can see trading down and getting ASJ and then trading up and getting Tuitt.

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No way would I want to select Louis Nix, who underwent surgery to repair a torn meniscus in his left knee, in the first round when the following nose tackles will be available:

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Justin Ellis (156)
Zach Kerr (305)
Beau Allen (414)

The New England Patriots need to implement a philosophy of rotating defensive tackles liberally thru the course of a football game.