Demarcus Ware to sign with Denver? [Update: signs 3-yr, $30m deal w/$20m guaranteed]

seriously though, this has to put denver at the cap now right?

9.5 for talib, 10 for ware, 6+ for ward.

unless there is some seriously funny math going on they are near the cap or they have pushed so much money to the future that they will need a reprieve from goodell

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Ware is on the wrong side of 30 with more back problems than Gronk, Ward has coverage limitations and Talib has a hip issue. That's a lot of money spent on questions mark, but gotta respect Elways determination on getting that Superbowl before Manning retires however if Talib and Ware can't be relied upon its going to backfire

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fumbrunner said:

That Broncos team is setting themselves up to be great for years to come. People talk about them being in salary cap hell with all these signings. But think about it. If next year is Manning's last year, they will be saving $20M after he retires.

They draft a good QB (i'm sure Elway can pick one out), and they will have a dominant defense for a few years. Who does that sound like?

Elway is doing a great job there IMHO

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Setting themselves up by signing an aging, declining player to an absurd contract?

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has to be peytons last year. unbelievable otherwise

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That defense is stacked. If they can remain healthy and Chris Harris comes back to form, they're going to be very tough to move the ball against.

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cue the offseason experts crowning the broncos as champs.

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How the hell are they going to pay the D/J Thomas and Miller?

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fumbrunner said:

They draft a good QB (i'm sure Elway can pick one out), and they will have a dominant defense for a few years. Who does that sound like?

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Someone playing high-stakes roulette.

Not sure why you're handwaving away "draft a good QB" as if that's the easiest thing in the world (hi Tim Tebow!)

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fumbrunner said:

That Broncos team is setting themselves up to be great for years to come. People talk about them being in salary cap hell with all these signings. But think about it. If next year is Manning's last year, they will be saving $20M after he retires.

They draft a good QB (i'm sure Elway can pick one out), and they will have a dominant defense for a few years. Who does that sound like?

Elway is doing a great job there IMHO

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How are they setting themselves up for years to come? Ware is 31 (will be 32 in July). Welker is 33. They need to re-sign DeMarius Thomas, Julius Thomas, and Von Miller this year or next. If they cut Manning or he retires, there is no guarantee they will find even an average QB.

It looks pretty clear the Broncos are sacrificing the future to win now. If they don't win, they may have screwed up their future.

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CelticPatriot said:

How the hell are they going to pay the D/J Thomas and Miller?

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1. They cut Manning.

2. They're not resigning them.

The Broncos are going to be horrid past 2014.

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patsinthesnow said:

1. They cut Manning.

2. They're not resigning them.

The Broncos are going to be horrid past 2014.

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And the Cheatriots will be a non factor for another 10 years!!

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patsinthesnow said:

1. They cut Manning.

2. They're not resigning them.

The Broncos are going to be horrid past 2014.

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Why will they be horrid in 2015??? Manning will still be around. By then they may have 2 more SB's and if not they put all their chips on the table and tried their best.

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Oh well...let's hope they meet the seahawks again.

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Gronkandez said:

Why will they be horrid in 2015??? Manning will still be around. By then they may have 2 more SB's and if not they put all their chips on the table and tried their best.

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You really think Manning is going to be good in 2015?

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Rob0729 said:

How are they setting themselves up for years to come? Ware is 31 (will be 32 in July). Welker is 33. They need to re-sign DeMarius Thomas, Julius Thomas, and Von Miller this year or next. If they cut Manning or he retires, there is no guarantee they will find even an average QB.

It looks pretty clear the Broncos are sacrificing the future to win now. If they don't win, they may have screwed up their future.

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One could argue that they could sign 2 of DMT, Von M. and Julius if the salary cap jumps to $145 and Peyton Manning retires, and they cut Wes Welker.

In that respect, they'll have the money to keep their young players even if the team will be saddled with a perhaps gimpy Talib and an old Ware for at least 3 years.

So, essentially, I see them going for it all this year, and still being able to retain their young players, even if the team will have difficulty after PM retires.

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Denver is also about to lose: Ayers, Bailey, Moreno, Holiday, Decker, Beadles, DRC, Phillips, Adams, and Woodyard. Von Miller, Welker, and Julis Thomas all free agents next year.

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Now broncos are turning their attention to darren strokes and save smith, but this is from incarcerated bob.

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Patsbacker said:

Denver is also about to lose: Ayers, Bailey, Moreno, Holiday, Decker, Beadles, DRC, Phillips, Adams, and Woodyard. Von Miller, Welker, and Julis Thomas all free agents next year.

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Only a few of the players that they'll lose this year aren't completely replaceable by any mook off the streets (Decker, Woodyard, and arguably DRC). The Thomases, Miller, and Welker on the other hand...

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My friend whose a huge Bronco fan just said they'll have 60 mil to use in 2015 WTF???

I'm not a cap expert so I have no idea how all these contracts and cap space works, but it seems to me Denver had a whole lot of it for this offseason

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Prior to the free agency signings, Denver only has about $61 million locked up in salaries next year. That will go up with the recent signings obviously but the cap is also expected to increase to around $145 million in 2015 from what I have read.

IF PM retires after next season that would free up around another $20 million in cap space. The Bronco front office seems sold on Osweiler as Manning's replacement at this point and he will come on the cheap. Miller, Thomas and Thomas are top priority no doubt. I don't see Welker playing past next season.

There will be a drop off no doubt but as to be expected when a team looses a top QB. I don't see Denver being in any worse of a spot or handicapped in the years following PM's retirement due to these signings then would be expected.