PatsFans.com Menu
PatsFans.com - The Hub For New England Patriots Fans

2014 Draft Prospect Thread


Rodgers as NASTY speed off the line for a guy his size. Closes cushion like a wide receiver.

Honestly, I don't get the interest in the early guys.

ASJ is underwhelming in every area. Run after the catch, drive blocking, fights the ball instead of catching it. Fiedorowicz is too slow to be worth an early pick. Of course, at least he can block - Amaro is just a big slow receiver. Niklas looks okay.

I don't see what separates those guys from Rodgers or Xavier Grimble.

In ASJ's case, the ability to block and catch the ball in traffic. It's what sets him apart from everyone except Ebron as far as I'm concerned. It's why I'm a little less high on Niklas. He can catch the balls thrown straight at him but has more difficulty with contested and harder catches.
 
So NFL.com released their grades/player evaluations. Did they get hacked?

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Johnny Manziel

Weaknesses
Has an unorthodox body type with marginal height, rounded shoulders, an underdeveloped body and very big feet that almost look clumsy.

Has not developed a reputation as a worker or for doing the extras. Suspect intangibles -- not a leader by example or known to inspire by his words. Carries a sense of entitlement and prima-donna arrogance seeking out the bright lights of Hollywood. Is known to party too much and is drawn to all the trappings of the game.

NFL Comparison
Rex Grossman, Ryan Leaf makeup, Fran Tarkenton playing style and Russell Wilson playmaking ability

Very unprofessional piece. NFL.com also compares Bridgewater to Alex Smith and the highest graded QB is only a 6.8? Clowney a 7.5?

Somebody explain?
 
As of right now my day 3 "value" list of guys who I currently have a 3rd/4th round grade on, and would be happy if the Pats took them anytime during day 3 (in no particular order):

OC Marcus Martin, USC. 6'3" 310#.
OL Billy Turner, North Dakota St. 6'5" 316#.
OG Brandon Thomas, Clemson. 6' 3 1/2" 316#.
TE Richard Rodgers, Cal. 6'4" 245#.
TE Arthur Lynch, Georgia. 6' 4 1/2" 258#.
FB/H-Back Trey Millard, Oklahoma. 6'3" 253#.
DT Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech. 6'2" 351#. (Would like him better around 330#).
DT Caraun Reed, Princeton, 6'2" 301#.
DT/DE Brent Urban, Virginia. 6'7" 298#.
DE Aaron Lynch, USF. 6'6" 265#.
DE Will Clarke, West Virginia. 6'6" 271#.
DE Taylor Hart, Oregon. 6'6" 287#.
LB Tyler Starr, South Dakata. 6' 4 1/2" 249# (assuming he show ridiculous athleticism at the Combine).
DB Antone Exum, Virginia Tech. 6' 220#.
DB Dontae Johnson, North Carolina St. 6' 2 1/2" 199#.
DB Jonathan Dowling, Western Kentucky. 6' 2 1/2" 198#.

As of right now I probably wouldn't use a day 1/2 pick on any of these guys, but I'd be thrilled with pretty much any of them on day 3. There will undoubtedly be others added to the list, and a few of these guys will rise. But it's a start.
 
I'm starting to put together a spreadsheet of the NFL.com grades as mentioned above so that it's possible to see them together. So far, I have QBs and TEs done.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtaFnuAmn2VBdEdfZlE0RVZwbUk5TXZFVjVGSGt2WkE&usp=sharing

Defensive linemen are up. Interesting to note that Tuitt is the second ranked guy behind Clowney with Hageman third. Demarcus Lawrence and Ed Stinson are ranked very high.

For TEs, Troy Niklas is ranked #2 behind Ebron whilst CJ Fiedorowicz and ASJ have the same rank in joint third place. Amaro is fifth and Lyerla sixth. If these rankings are anything to go by, TE depth is very poor this year. There are twelve defensive linemen that have a higher grade than Fiedorowicz and ASJ.
 
As of right now my day 3 "value" list of guys who I currently have a 3rd/4th round grade on, and would be happy if the Pats took them anytime during day 3 (in no particular order):

OC Marcus Martin, USC. 6'3" 310#.
OL Billy Turner, North Dakota St. 6'5" 316#.
OG Brandon Thomas, Clemson. 6' 3 1/2" 316#.
TE Richard Rodgers, Cal. 6'4" 245#.
TE Arthur Lynch, Georgia. 6' 4 1/2" 258#.
FB/H-Back Trey Millard, Oklahoma. 6'3" 253#.
DT Justin Ellis, Louisiana Tech. 6'2" 351#. (Would like him better around 330#).
DT Caraun Reed, Princeton, 6'2" 301#.
DT/DE Brent Urban, Virginia. 6'7" 298#.
DE Aaron Lynch, USF. 6'6" 265#.
DE Will Clarke, West Virginia. 6'6" 271#.
DE Taylor Hart, Oregon. 6'6" 287#.
LB Tyler Starr, South Dakata. 6' 4 1/2" 249# (assuming he show ridiculous athleticism at the Combine).
DB Antone Exum, Virginia Tech. 6' 220#.
DB Dontae Johnson, North Carolina St. 6' 2 1/2" 199#.
DB Jonathan Dowling, Western Kentucky. 6' 2 1/2" 198#.

As of right now I probably wouldn't use a day 1/2 pick on any of these guys, but I'd be thrilled with pretty much any of them on day 3. There will undoubtedly be others added to the list, and a few of these guys will rise. But it's a start.

Antone Exum gets a good grade at NFL (5.45 which is in the ASJ region which I think is 2nd-3rd). Here is what they say about him:

Strengths
Outstanding size, overall thickness and build -- defined musculature with thin ankles. Very smart and articulate. Very good body control and ball skills -- adjusts well in the air. Fluid pedal and movement skill for a 220-pounder. Very good press strength -- hems/disrupts receivers at the line. Versatile -- played first three seasons at free safety and has contributed as a gunner and jammer on special teams.

Weaknesses
Raw technician. Not natural commanding the back end and making coverage adjustments vs. complex schemes. Comes off with an aura of arrogance to some and likes to do things his own way.

Bottom Line
A big, strong cornerback who must prove that he can recover from offseason knee surgery and return to being the player he was as a junior, when he graded out highly in press coverage, as a tackler and for his ability to make plays on the ball. Has a unique combination of size and speed.

I want.
 
Antone Exum gets a good grade at NFL (5.45 which is in the ASJ region which I think is 2nd-3rd). Here is what they say about him:

I want.

I like this part:

Versatile -- played first three seasons at free safety and has contributed as a gunner and jammer on special teams.

I'd love to put a 6' 220# safety with CB skills opposite McCourty.
 
Antone Exum gets a good grade at NFL (5.45 which is in the ASJ region which I think is 2nd-3rd). Here is what they say about him:

I want.

Here's in interesting profile on Exum, FWIW:

Positives:

Versatility:
Coaches love a player who can play in multiple roles and help out the defense in a variety of ways and that’s exactly what Exum brings to the table. Exum played safety for two year before making the transition to cornerback, and has looked very good in both spots. While he doesn’t have outstanding coverage skills he does a very nice job keeping his man in front of him, and getting to the ball quickly. He also has shown that he can quickly make the transition back to strong safety in the NFL, a position that would increase the amount of interested teams that find him a fit for their defensive scheme. He does a nice job both against the run and pass, making him an all-around stopper on defense and very attractive for NFL coaches.

Physicality: I’ve always said it, it’s easier to teach a player to be less physical and control his aggressiveness than it is to making a softer player more physical. That is something you won’t have to worry about with Exum, he loves to make contact and shows off his aggressiveness in coverage and when stopping the run. Early on tape you see Exum running downhill and attacking the ball carrier. He will shoot down at full speed and give his entire body up in order to stop the play. You don’t often get to see Exum play press coverage at the line playing for Virginia Tech but even in off man coverage you see how much he relishes the contact. He keeps his man in front of him as he tracks the quarterback and as soon as the quarterback commits, Exum uses his speed to break towards the ball and attack the wide receiver to break up the play. He loves using his size and strength to jam the wide receiver and try to force him out of the play, but he will need to be careful in the NFL limiting the contact after five yards. His physical style of play is perfect for multiple teams in the NFL and will be coveted by many teams for it.

Negatives:

Durability:
When Exum arrives at the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine, one of the biggest tests he will face isn’t on the field but in front of team doctors and medical staff. After tearing his ACL and right meniscus during a pickup basketball game in January, Exum returned to the field but is now dealing with a nagging left ankle injury. He has only played in three games this season, and will face plenty of questions about his durability during the combine. While the knee has appeared fine this season, it’s harder to see how much progress he has made with limited action in 2013. Before the injuries Exum was potentially looking like a second-round pick but injuries and missed opportunities have severely cut into his draft value.

Tackling: If Exum wants to take the next step as a cornerback prospect and eventually become a starter in the NFL. Obviously Exum is physical and he loves to deliver big hits, his technique needs a lot of work. Too often Exum’s aggressiveness comes back to bite him, he will come flying in at full speed but whiff on the ball carrier because he is coming at a bad angle and trying to deliver the big hit. Despite his size advantage, he is too focused on delivering the hit that will knock the ball loose, instead of just wrapping up and taking down the running back. He needs to learn to ease up with his aggressiveness and instead of flying in like a missile, patiently moving in and squaring up the ball carrier. Exum needs to spend time with coaches working on his technique otherwise he will make some nice plays in the NFL, but will often get burnt when he over pursues and his man slips past him for the big play.

NFL Player Comparison:

Brandon Browner, Seattle Seahawks


While Exum may be shorter than Browner both players show the same style of aggressiveness and physicality that make them perfect for the press coverage the Seahawks run. Exum plays the run much like a strong safety, similar to Browner although both players still struggle wrapping up the running back. He plays the ball well in coverage, reacting quickly and using his size and length to break up passes and jam a wide receiver at the line.

Draft Outlook:

The 2014 cornerback class is loaded with talent, and that’s definitely something that doesn’t help Exum’s draft stock. He is a good corner but some will point out that he isn't even the best on his own team, behind fellow senior Kyle Fuller. Exum’s draft stock will also be hurt by the injuries that have kept him out for most of the season, leaving scouts to work almost entirely off 2012 tape. But despite it all, I still see Exum being drafted early in the third round. His versatility to play cornerback or strong safety will appeal to a lot of teams and his physical style fits a lot of systems.

Best Fits:

Because of his physical style of play and being a perfect fit for a team that uses a lot of press coverage, Exum is perfect for a team like the Jacksonville Jaguars. Jaguars coach Gus Bradley brought over the physical style of defense that he ran with the Seattle Seahawks and will fall in love with a player like Exum.
Exum’s aggressive nature both against the run and pass, along with his size and versatility will absolutely meet everything Bradley is looking for. He could fit in nicely as a mid-round pick and contribute immediately for a Jaguars secondary that needs a lot of help.

2014 NFL Draft: Antone Exum Scouting Report

I don't know anything about the writer, but it's an interesting profile.
 
Here's in interesting profile on Exum, FWIW:



2014 NFL Draft: Antone Exum Scouting Report

I don't know anything about the writer, but it's an interesting profile.

Hah! Seattle Seahawks comparison for him (Brandon Browner). Everybody aboard!

I disagree a little about his tackling. I thought it was his one weakness in that he wasn't a hard tackler and was a little cautious.

Thanks for the link though.
 
From NEPatriotsDraft.com's Marc Sluis:

CB/S Antone Exum, Virginia Tech - 6’0 224

Exum will get looks at both safety and corner due to his size, tackling ability and overall athleticism. It also helps that he played both positions in college. While not the fleetest of foot, the 6’0 Hokie shows the ability to turn and run with receivers down field. He’s at his best playing zone where he can read the play and see what’s in front of him, which also can showcase his tackling skills.

vs Clemson 2012

> Plays off of Sammy Watkins but once the ball is thrown he comes up and makes a sound tackle on two early plays.
> Lines up at safety and is unable to makes the tackle on Ellington as a blockers interferes enough to deny a clear path.
> Matched up one on one with Watkins who gets a half step but Exum stays with him and is able to break up the downfield pass nicely.
> Lined up off the line and Watkins comes across on a slant. After the ball is caught Watkins makes an improvised spin back to the outside which effectively shakes off Exum.
> Plays tight at the line on Watkins and shows a little bump and run. Exum stays with Watkins for the most part but because Sammy is talented and quick all he needs is the half a step he gets as Boyd throws a perfect ball dropping it over Exum’s shoulder for a solid gain. It was a complete pass but you can’t realistically ask for better coverage.
> Lined up as a safety as Boyd takes it on a designed run through traffic up the middle. Exum comes over and as Boyd is about to cross the front of the end zone he sticks his arm in and is able to pull it out of Boyd’s grasp.

2014 NFL Draft Corner Prospects: Potential Patriots | NEPatriotsDraft.com - 2014 NFL Draft

I think if you took what we have now (including re-signing Talib) and put Exum at SS opposite McCourty, added another big CB for depth like Dontae Johnson or Jonathan Dowling, and added a speedy LB like Ryan Shazier, Kyle Van Noy or Christian Jones (or possibly Marcus Smith or Tyler Starr) you'd have a really athletic and versatile back end to the defense that could match up with just about any passing attack in the NFL, assuming some semblance of pressure up front.
 
Hah! Seattle Seahawks comparison for him (Brandon Browner). Everybody aboard!

I disagree a little about his tackling. I thought it was his one weakness in that he wasn't a hard tackler and was a little cautious.

Thanks for the link though.

The writer also projects him as a perfect fit for Gus Bradley. :p

Seriously, I think that short of spending a 1st round pick on Calvin Pryor or a 2nd round pick on Deone Buccannon (and Exum has better coverage ability than Buccannon), Exum is probably the most cost-effective way of getting a more physical strong safety with ball skills and coverage ability.

I have no doubt that if not for the physical issues he would be a day 2 prospect. I'm skeptical that he'll go day 2, though it's possible. The question is how early on day 3 he would go.

I'd love to have about 5 4th round picks in this draft and pick up Exum, Richard Rodgers, Aaron Lynch, Tyler Starr and an OG/C like Marcus Martin or Brandon Thomas.
 
Thanks manx!

So they changed their scale this year. What does it reflect? Clowney is the best prospect at a 7.5. Just seems like a strange scale.

I know it's frustrating. Would be nice to do a like for like comparison. There's also no round projection which makes it harder to judge value. It is nice to get a different perspective to the ubiquitous CBS however.
 
Horrible article on Manziel by NFL.com... they have never met the kid, have no right to talk about his character and say he has a Ryan Leaf makeup. Have they ever met him?

Not to mention, as unique as Manziel is, if there is a comparison, how can anyone deny Michael Vick? Same undersized build combined with disproportionately large hands helping his throw power, combined with great athleticism and showmanship, niftiness in the pocket, etc. The fact that Manziel sees the field and plays the game more like a point guard than a quarterback is unique to him and no other player, but Vick resembles him in every almost other respect. To compare Manziel to 4 players, none of which are Vick, is crazy
 
Also, Donte Moncrief has a better grade than Cyrus Kouandjio, who is at the same level as Ed Stinson. Logan Thomas is higher than Jimmy Garoppolo, and they are both higher than Aaron Donald. Kyle Fuller's strength and tackling are questioned.
 
Question for some of the draft nuts who know more than me: Is Mike Evans this year's Keenan Allen?

From casual watching/scouting, it seems like their games a very similar both players are big physical guys with great ball skills, but have questions with their downfield speed/40 times. Do you see Evans as a guy who may fall to the 2nd or 3rd round in the draft and end up as the best receiver in the class?
 
Question for some of the draft nuts who know more than me: Is Mike Evans this year's Keenan Allen?

From casual watching/scouting, it seems like their games a very similar both players are big physical guys with great ball skills, but have questions with their downfield speed/40 times. Do you see Evans as a guy who may fall to the 2nd or 3rd round in the draft and end up as the best receiver in the class?

I think Allen Robinson is a better Keenan Allen comp. Evans isn't a particularly sophisticated route runner nor is he someone who can do much with the ball in traffic. Where he is spectacular though is in out jumping/muscling/high-pointing defensive backs. That wasn't Keenan Allen's game.
 
So NFL.com released their grades/player evaluations. Did they get hacked?

NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Johnny Manziel







Very unprofessional piece. NFL.com also compares Bridgewater to Alex Smith and the highest graded QB is only a 6.8? Clowney a 7.5?

Somebody explain?

Reads like a scouting report from Nolan Nawrocki, the long-time Pro Football Weekly draft analyst
who recently joined the NFL.com staff to do I ass-ume the same task there.
I admire his bluntness, and it's obvious that he doesn't care for Manziel in much the same manner
that he didn't care for Cam Newton, his scathing review of whom garnered national attention.
I still hope he's right about Newton, who is an immature, obnoxious jerk.
 
I think Allen Robinson is a better Keenan Allen comp. Evans isn't a particularly sophisticated route runner nor is he someone who can do much with the ball in traffic. Where he is spectacular though is in out jumping/muscling/high-pointing defensive backs. That wasn't Keenan Allen's game.

I think A-Rob is Robert Meachem. Not a natural hands catcher, which is a problem at that size.
 


Tuesday Patriots Notebook 4/16: News and Notes
Monday Patriots Notebook 4/15: News and Notes
Patriots News 4-14, Mock Draft 3.0, Gilmore, Law Rally For Bill 
Potential Patriot: Boston Globe’s Price Talks to Georgia WR McConkey
Friday Patriots Notebook 4/12: News and Notes
Not a First Round Pick? Hoge Doubles Down on Maye
Thursday Patriots Notebook 4/11: News and Notes
MORSE: Patriots Mock Draft #5 and Thoughts About Dugger Signing
Matthew Slater Set For New Role With Patriots
Wednesday Patriots Notebook 4/10: News and Notes
Back
Top