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Armchair Quarterback said:

Report: Schiano meeting led to 'rift' within Browns - NFL.com


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Wonder why BB is such a big Schaino guy. I was a big fan of him early on in 2012. I root for the Bucs when they aren't playing the Pats(don't like them anywhere near as much as the Pats though) so I kind of follow them. I loved the never quit attitude he installed with the trying to force the fumble on the kneel downs.

Absurdly Metro said:

They in '11 they lose their last three regular season games and squeak into the playoffs at 9-7 too, again, get hot all the way to the SB where they (yet again) got lucky and pulled out another narrow victory.

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Umm......the 2011 NY Giants playoff wins:

Beat the 10-6 Atlanta Falcons

Beat the 15-1 Green Bay Packers on the road

Beat the 14-3 San Francisco on the road

Beat the 15-3 New England Patriots in the SB

What the HELL are you talking about? If you're going to diminish playoff performance and tell us regular season performance is the ultimate criteria, then I hope you enjoy The Peyton Manning Experience.

TonyTucker said:

Yes, I should have said, they're good enough to pound the pretenders like the Tebow Broncos, Texans, and Colts, but once they get to the AFCCG and Super Bowl, they'll wet themselves, even against the stinky 2013 Broncos defense or the mediocre NYG twice.

What is your fascination with McDaniels? What does he do well other than ride the coattails of his all-time great QB? He bombed out in Denver and St Louis. Does he make good adjustments? No, if a team starts off well against his gameplan, he can't do anything. His brilliant gameplan in the Broncos game was to attack their secondary with the pass even though the Pats had no good receivers. He sucks.

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It's not that I have a fascination with McDaniels, although I do think he's a top flight O.C.. It's that I hate sloppy thinking. Saying his offenses don't score in the playoffs is a clear example of this, because it's obviously not true, and it's something that's easy to check. Also, saying he bombed as a H.C. in Denver, or as an O.C. in St. Louis is misleading, at best, because it ignores a host of factors.

shmessy said:

Umm......the 2011 NY Giants playoff wins:

Beat the 10-6 Atlanta Falcons

Beat the 15-1 Green Bay Packers on the road

Beat the 14-3 San Francisco on the road

Beat the 15-3 New England Patriots in the SB

What the HELL are you talking about? If you're going to diminish playoff performance and tell us regular season performance is the ultimate criteria, then I hope you enjoy The Peyton Manning Experience.

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yeah, you're right. those impressive playoff wins override all of the previous mediocrity and make the 2011 NYG one of history's most dominant SB winning teams. Right up there with the '85 Bears.

You probably consider Eli Manning elite as well, based on the fact he quarterbacked all of those impressive post season wins in '07 and '11. Well, good for him. He got hot when it counted and has won two SB's. But it's not crazy to think of Eli as a mediocre qb that caught fire at just the right time and got lucky, just as it isn't crazy to think the same of his football team. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Too bad it had to be against the NEP.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Right?

Deus Irae said:

It's not that I have a fascination with McDaniels, although I do think he's a top flight O.C.. It's that I hate sloppy thinking. Saying his offenses don't score in the playoffs is a clear example of this, because it's obviously not true, and it's something that's easy to check. Also, saying he bombed as a H.C. in Denver, or as an O.C. in St. Louis is misleading, at best, because it ignores a host of factors.

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No, you see, it's really simple. The Pats lose to good teams in the playoffs. This is totally true if you define "good team" as "team that beats the Patriots in the playoffs".

It's bulletproof logic, really.

Absurdly Metro said:

yeah, you're right. those impressive playoff wins override all of the previous mediocrity and make the 2011 NYG one of history's most dominant SB winning teams. Right up there with the '85 Bears.

You probably consider Eli Manning elite as well, based on the fact he quarterbacked all of those impressive post season wins in '07 and '11. Well, good for him. He got hot when it counted and has won two SB's. But it's not crazy to think of Eli as a mediocre qb that caught fire at just the right time and got lucky, just as it isn't crazy to think the same of his football team. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Too bad it had to be against the NEP.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Right?

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You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But you're not entitled to immunity from criticism, and you also aren't entitled to having ridiculous opinions taken seriously.

BradyFTW! said:

You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But you're not entitled to immunity from criticism, and you also aren't entitled to having ridiculous opinions taken seriously.

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you know what? opinions are like armpits. everybody's got one and they stink sometimes. Just because someone with 20,000 posts thinks my opinion is ridiculous doesn't make it so. My saying it's not crazy to call the '07 and '11 NYGmen a mediocre football team is not as ridiculous as you think. As I asked earlier, do you consider Eli elite? Without the "clutch" play of their QB (some would say lucky) that "mediocre" team loses both games to the NEP.

Anyway, for the record, I'm not alone in my "ridiculous" opinion that the '07 and '11 Gmen were mediocre. Here's a couple I found asking the same question with just a quick Google search...

2007: Giants One of the Worst Teams to Reach Superbowl

2011: Are the Giants the Worst Super Bowl Champs Ever? Its Debatable but Probably Not

I wish they would get their act together. I could handle Cleveland as "my second team." I want to see them do well. I can't say that for anyone else in the league.

Froob said:

Wonder why BB is such a big Schaino guy. I was a big fan of him early on in 2012. I root for the Bucs when they aren't playing the Pats(don't like them anywhere near as much as the Pats though) so I kind of follow them. I loved the never quit attitude he installed with the trying to force the fumble on the kneel downs.

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I'm on the fence with Schiano. I often hear people say he's a bully. But reports are reports, I don't know the truth. But I'm with you on the never quit attitude by trying to force fumbles on kneel downs. Coughlin can suck it. The game isn't over until it's over. I don't care if a QB gets injured from it too. Game isn't over. If teams don't like it, they can do a shotgun snap like Matt Ryan did. That's why I'd like to see the clock stopped with less than 5 minutes left in 2nd and 4th quarter if no positive yards are gained. Give the team a chance.

Hey been swamped with work so haven't been following, so sorry if this is old news:

James Christensen ‏@NEPatriotsDraft 1m
RT @ChrisFedor: Nothing finalized with Michael Lombardi yet but it's looking like he may be headed back to New England.

Uncle Rico said:

Hey been swamped with work so haven't been following, so sorry if this is old news:

James Christensen ‏@NEPatriotsDraft 1m
RT @ChrisFedor: Nothing finalized with Michael Lombardi yet but it's looking like he may be headed back to New England.

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What the heck would he do in NE? Lombardi could be good, but Caserio is excellent.

Galeb said:

What the heck would he do in NE? Lombardi could be good, but Caserio is excellent.

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Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up with the same job that Floyd Reese used to hold, working in contract negotiations.

BradyFTW! said:

Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up with the same job that Floyd Reese used to hold, working in contract negotiations.

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Wouldn't that be a huge step backwards for Lombardi? Maybe BB expects Caserio to bail in the near future.

Galeb said:

Wouldn't that be a huge step backwards for Lombardi? Maybe BB expects Caserio to bail in the near future.

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It's a major step back from last year, but not from the year before that (when he was writing for NFL.com and most well known for his frequent guest appearances on Bill Simmons' podcast). If he can't get another GM job right away--and it stands to reason that he can't--then a year in New England is no worse than any of the alternatives.

You could be right, though. After the Dolphins interviewed Caserio this year, it could be that the Pats are preparing for the possibility that he leaves. In that case, Lombardi is a pretty sensible hire.

But even if that's not the case, I think it sorta makes sense from Lombardi's perspective to come here. Spend a year or two working with the Pats, be part of an organization that's reeling off 12+ win seasons, and in a year or two people will have mostly forgotten what happened at the last stop before this one. Worked for Dom Capers, seems to be working for McDaniels, and would probably work for Lombardi too.

Uncle Rico said:

Hey been swamped with work so haven't been following, so sorry if this is old news:

James Christensen ‏@NEPatriotsDraft 1m
RT @ChrisFedor: Nothing finalized with Michael Lombardi yet but it's looking like he may be headed back to New England.

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That's the problem with the internet...accurate facts are not important anymore...

i don't know how browns fans do it..year after year they know they will be trash. They should just make games free to go to until they turn it around...in 20 or so years

I know the pats were trash for a long long time..but turned it around. Browns have been to the playoffs twice since 89 is it?

BradyFTW! said:

Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up with the same job that Floyd Reese used to hold, working in contract negotiations.

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What exactly does Caserio do? Does he just advice Belichick or is he mostly a draft guy?

Belichick has a relatively small staff. This is a good addition, give that Caserio was interviewing. I wouldn't be surprised if Schiano is also added.

BradyFTW! said:

It's a major step back from last year, but not from the year before that (when he was writing for NFL.com and most well known for his frequent guest appearances on Bill Simmons' podcast). If he can't get another GM job right away--and it stands to reason that he can't--then a year in New England is no worse than any of the alternatives.

You could be right, though. After the Dolphins interviewed Caserio this year, it could be that the Pats are preparing for the possibility that he leaves. In that case, Lombardi is a pretty sensible hire.

But even if that's not the case, I think it sorta makes sense from Lombardi's perspective to come here. Spend a year or two working with the Pats, be part of an organization that's reeling off 12+ win seasons, and in a year or two people will have mostly forgotten what happened at the last stop before this one. Worked for Dom Capers, seems to be working for McDaniels, and would probably work for Lombardi too.

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What is Schiano's specialty within the defense? He probably can't take a positional job since that's be too far a step back.

Honestly he'll probably land at a college. I just don't see a spot on this team unless he's content to be a special assistant or something.