Patriots Offseason most logical plan

This is a "trenches" off season. DE, OG and DT all the way. I don't care about any other positions, except maybe Strong Safety because Rodney Harrison told me so.

The Patriots need another joker tight end; anyone who can't see that Brady's ability to hit the downfield pass by now must be blind. For the past 4 years now we've relied on YAC for a reason, its because brady works best delivering a quick pass to a guy who can make a play afterwards.

I keep reading all of these reports about Edelman being worth 7 Million Dollars and i think you gotta pay him. Edelman is more than a slot reciever and he works so much better than Amendola does.

It makes the most sense to keep the offense as it is, add a tight end in the draft and focus on defense.

Basically you are going to hope that Dobson, Thompkins and Boyce develop next year; i'm not going to waste anymore draft capital on another WR and if im giving anyone money it has to be Julian.

I'm not sure how much money that leaves you, but afterwards you gotta sign Talib as well or at least give it your best shot. Even though he has gone out of the game in both of the past two AFC championship games, he bring an attitude to the secondary which cant be replicated.

With these moves and other minor tweaks; along with all of the injured guys coming back; the Patriots should be contenders once again; but we can't expect a monumental change here. our corners are decent, our linebackers are good, our DL looked decent without Wilfork.

There is no star you are going to bring in here and instantly transform our offense into a juggernaut, unless that players name is Rob Gronkowski.

All22PatsFan said:

Did people not read this part?
sign #1 CB
Sign Pass-Rushing DT
Sign #3 DE
Sign #4 LB
that completely fixes the Defense. And Deus I don't want to hear Gregory complaints until you watch his tape.

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We have a pass rushing DT - his name is Kelly. He hasn't been too quiet since he went out. He's pissed and wants to finish what he's started. I expect him back.

Your cap numbers are completely off base. Your draft strategy is a waste of time. And your free agency strategy is neither logical or realistic. Truly a sophomoric effort. But other than that good job

SalemPats said:

Yes, we love the 2 TE sets, but it's difficult to find elite ones. Also TEs take awhile to develop. I can't name one team right now that can play a dangerous 2 TE set (maybe cincy, but i'm not a huge Gresham fan).

I would like at Zack Miller if he's released (maybe because of salary) to compliment Gronk

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Yep, we're not using our first round pick on a tight end. It's a pipe dream. They're going to sign someone or use a 3rd or 4th rounder.

VrabelJr said:

This is a "trenches" off season. DE, OG and DT all the way. I don't care about any other positions, except maybe Strong Safety because Rodney Harrison told me so.

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A voice of reason

WR needs to be a move made through FA, be it Sanders, Nicks, Maclin, Tate, etc. They should not be drafting a day one or two pick at WR. That needs to go to SS, DL, and OL. Possibly TE as well depending on what the Pats think of guys like Finley, Chandler, Pitta, and Pettigrew. Other than some of the moves to free up cap space, this would only be the most logical offseason plan to someone heavily under the influence of a narcotic.

KontradictioN said:

WR needs to be a move made through FA, be it Sanders, Nicks, Maclin, Tate, etc. They should not be drafting a day one or two pick at WR. That needs to go to SS, DL, and OL. Possibly TE as well depending on what the Pats think of guys like Finley, Chandler, Pitta, and Pettigrew. Other than some of the moves to free up cap space, this would only be the most logical offseason plan to someone heavily under the influence of a narcotic.

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We will see, I don't understand the difference between signing a WR or drafted one. Why can't we just sign players on the DLine? What is I logical part of the plan? This fills all there needs. The Roster could look something like this

QB: Brady, Mallet
RB: Ridley, FA RB, Vereen, Bolden, Develin
X WR: Dobson, Harrison, Slater
Z WR: Robinson, Thomkins
Slot WR: Amendola, Boyce, Moe
TE: Gronk, 3rd rounder, 5th rounder
LT: Solder
LG: Mankins, Kline
C: Connolly, Cave
RG: 2nd rounder
RT: Volmer, Cannon

RDE: Jones, FA DE
NT: Siliga, Vellano
DT: FA DT, Armstead, Jones
LDE: Ninko, Buchanan,Bequette
SLB: Collins, FA LB
MLB: Hightower, 4th rounder
WLB: Mayo, Beauharnus
CB: FA CB, Green
CB: Dennard, Ryan
Slot CB: Arrington
FS: McCourty, Harmon
SS: Gregory, Wilson, Ebner

Beats me how the offseason will unfold but I'm just hoping the team adds speedy playmakers who end up playing big come crunch time.

I think Edelman, Talib, Blount and Spikes are all gone.
Someone will over pay Edelman- just like others have in the past - for WRs that won't put up the same numbers playing without Brady (Givens, Branch, etc.)

Talib is rumored to be Washington's #1 target in the off season. Let them overpay for him. He is awesome when healthy, but hasn't survived the playoff games for the last 2 seasons. If we won't have him for the playoffs, we are better with someone else. Remember Parcell's rule of thumb - "The best kind of ability is availability." Side note: What's the over / under on number of games played before Merriweather takes out Talib with his out of control play? (assuming Talib signs with the Skins.)

Blount will go to another team who looks at his big games late in the season and will over pay accordingly. We won't and shouldn't.

Spikes may not even get an offer at this point from the Pats. He isn't a BB guy and never will be.

I'd like an upgrade at center. I think we need a plan B if Wilfork isn't able to be the player he was before the achilles. I do think we'll sign and/or draft a TE or 2. Probably one in the Gronk mold and another in the Hernandez type.
I doubt Bequette is back. Not sure about Kelly. It would be a good sign if one of the O line retires unexpectedly since this has happened prior to multiple SB appearances.
It would be nice if Dennard stays out of jail and Ryan makes a big year 2 jump at CB.
I'm very interested to see how the coaching changes will impact the team.

All22PatsFan said:

We will see, I don't understand the difference between signing a WR or drafted one. Why can't we just sign players on the DLine? What is I logical part of the plan? This fills all there needs. The Roster could look something like this

QB: Brady, Mallet
RB: Ridley, FA RB, Vereen, Bolden, Develin
X WR: Dobson, Harrison, Slater
Z WR: Robinson, Thomkins
Slot WR: Amendola, Boyce, Moe
TE: Gronk, 3rd rounder, 5th rounder
LT: Solder
LG: Mankins, Kline
C: Connolly, Cave
RG: 2nd rounder
RT: Volmer, Cannon

RDE: Jones, FA DE
NT: Siliga, Vellano
DT: FA DT, Armstead, Jones
LDE: Ninko, Buchanan,Bequette
SLB: Collins, FA LB
MLB: Hightower, 4th rounder
WLB: Mayo, Beauharnus
CB: FA CB, Green
CB: Dennard, Ryan
Slot CB: Arrington
FS: McCourty, Harmon
SS: Gregory, Wilson, Ebner

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WR's, by and large, don't come straight out of the draft ready to contribute. There's usually a maturation process except for a few notable exceptions and those exceptions usually end up being mentioned as among the best in the league at that position. FA's, on the other hand, are still in the league because they have matured and contributed. With what the Pats spent at WR last year in the draft, a veteran is the way to go.

All22PatsFan said:

Yup. Dobson will become a stud, when healthy I expect Amendola to produce like first game, Boyce Harrison Moe will develop.

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Aside from trying to understand your grammar, I don't understand what Dobson's development have to do with it being okay to release Edelman? It's not just that Dobson and Edelman play two very different positions in the offense, but Amendola's health is far from being a sure thing.

We really do need to keep Edelman.

PP2 said:

Aside from trying to understand your grammar, I don't understand what Dobson's development have to do with it being okay to release Edelman? It's not just that Dobson and Edelman play two very different positions in the offense, but Amendola's health is far from being a sure thing.

We really do need to keep Edelman.

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FWIW, Edelman recently said something to the effect that time in the NFL is short lived. He sounded like someone looking to get p-a-i-d and I don't think the Pats are going to give him what he's looking for.

PP2 said:

Aside from trying to understand your grammar, I don't understand what Dobson's development have to do with it being okay to release Edelman? It's not just that Dobson and Edelman play two very different positions in the offense, but Amendola's health is far from being a sure thing.

We really do need to keep Edelman.

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Edelman is an unrestricted free agent, unless they franchise him, which they won't, release is not among the possibilities. It simply comes down to his market value and the patriots in all likelihood are not going to match that, so people better get used to the idea of him in another uniform.

KontradictioN said:

WR's, by and large, don't come straight out of the draft ready to contribute. There's usually a maturation process except for a few notable exceptions and those exceptions usually end up being mentioned as among the best in the league at that position. FA's, on the other hand, are still in the league because they have matured and contributed. With what the Pats spent at WR last year in the draft, a veteran is the way to go.

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I don't disagree with you but Robinson played in Bill O'Briens offense and has said it is very similar to NE.

I fully expect a perennial loser to offer Edelman a 5 year deal that we can't and shouldn't match. He will, of course, sign it because he's been making the minimum for the past 5 years all the while being on a winning team. It's time for him to cash in and I can't blame him.

All22PatsFan said:

I don't disagree with you but Robinson played in Bill O'Briens offense and has said it is very similar to NE.

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I think Robinson has the potential to be a good player, he has good size and was in Penn State's system but with us drafting two receivers early last year and with the other needs that we have, there is just no way we can justify drafting a receiver in the 1st round unless of course if Watkins slips to us, which we all know will never happen.

I am really hoping we can find a way to sign both Talib and Edelman!!!

The tackle starters and depth according to this logical approach to the Patriots offseason will be the downfall of the D in 2014 if the team plans on taking that approach. There is not one dynamic playmaker capable of regularly collapsing the pocket or stuffing inside runs.

ausbacker said:

The tackle starters and depth according to this logical approach to the Patriots offseason will be the downfall of the D in 2014 if the team plans on taking that approach. There is not one dynamic playmaker capable of regularly collapsing the pocket or stuffing inside runs.

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Siliga stuffs inside runs. The FA could do the pocket pushing. I don't think you realize how good Siliga is, he dominated the Broncos Guard Vaquez and gave all the teams he played trouble.

All22PatsFan said:

Siliga stuffs inside runs. The FA could do the pocket pushing. I don't think you realize how good Siliga is, he dominated the Broncos Guard Vaquez and gave all the teams he played trouble.

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Keep telling yourself that.