How much does this SB loss damage Peyton Manning's legacy?

Triumph · Feb 3, 2014

Bravo777 said:
I'm not sure about you guys but...I can't believe I'm saying this. I actually feel a bit sorry for Peyton. The look on his face toward the end of the game, it just made me feel sorry for him.

I think that was the last time that we will see Peyton in the SB.

RIpats88 · Feb 3, 2014

like I said, sure the offense the past few years has fluttered in the playoffs...but I've never seen brady puke all over himself as bad as Manning did. those picks manning threw were HORRENDOUS. he threw them right towards the denfenders. all they had to do was just make the catch. he nearly threw two more.

its the same thing he did against NOL, and against the ravens last year...give credit to the defense of seattle, but manning choked

however poorly the offense has performed in our last few playoff losses I feel like brady has put them in a position to win....except against the ravens..that was a bad loss.

RelocatedPatFan · Feb 3, 2014

upstater1 said:
His piece mainly rankled me when he wrote this:

Here is how I responded in the comments:

I can't understand why so many reporters like Underhill downplay Tom Brady.

and the little things. for Example, the safety that happened in he first series for the Broncos most likely wouldn't have happened because both BB and Brady wiuld recognize that the players needed to shake the nerves out and would have made sure the first play was fairly vanilla in terms of how it's called.

Manning did his typical play which is to read the defense and make his adjustments. Fox/Manning didn't take into account that this game should be approached like all others, but not necessarily started like all others. They would have run a simple hand-off or routes with less adjustments.

People will blame the center and he should get 60% of the blame. but, if you want to set your tone and get the players into the flow, you need to start simple.

ensoul · Feb 3, 2014

Triumph said:
I think that was the last time that we will see Peyton in the SB.

Out of curiosity why do you think that? I know they will lose guys (like any other team) but I still say they will be the top team in the AFC next season. Manning has a great shot of getting to the SB next season.

NJPatsfan26 · Feb 3, 2014

IMO they played their superbowl 2 weeks ago versus the Patriots and came into this game feeling all mighty and powerful and just felt they could roll over the seahawks without really trying.

Well they got a wake up call 12 seconds into the game with the safety and from then on, the game was over.

Pay A Ton is a choke artist and thankfully this will at least diminish the argument of who is the better QB between Brady and Manning.

hyperpat · Feb 3, 2014

RIpats88 said:
like I said, sure the offense the past few years has fluttered in the playoffs...but I've never seen brady puke all over himself as bad as Manning did. those picks manning threw were HORRENDOUS. he threw them right towards the denfenders. all they had to do was just make the catch. he nearly threw two more.

Exactly. We've had a number of comments from the media and this board about how Brady gets the yips and dodges rushers who aren't there. That is largely an unfounded criticism because Brady does first and foremost what Manning did not do last night: He protects the ball. He doesn't try to force throws. He will take the sack and his team keeps the ball. Manning tossed up two gifts to the Seahawks. If Manning takes the sack the Broncos offense stays on the field. Brady is not perfect at this, of course, but in general he protects the ball and doesn't commit stupid turnovers.

Another reason for Brady>Manning.

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PatriotSeven · Feb 3, 2014

ensoul said:
Out of curiosity why do you think that? I know they will lose guys (like any other team) but I still say they will be the top team in the AFC next season. Manning has a great shot of getting to the SB next season.

Well let's be honest. The AFC this year was weak sauce. We were the 2nd best team, and this was probably one of our weakest teams, at least in terms of athletic talent, of the past decade.

I don't expect the AFC to continue to be so weak this coming season:

- You have the Colts that are maturing.
- You have the Ravens which will patch up their team after losing some of their vets this season.
- I expect the Steelers to come up a bit as well.
- You have San Diego which is coming together as well.
- You have the Chiefs in their second year with Andy Reid and Alex Smith.
- The Texans won't need much to get back to form. They were already pretty damn good with Schuab before he self destructed, and I just don't think they'll have a hard time finding a replacement. They're an Alex Smith away from a 12 win team.
- And finally, there's us as well.

The only team that I can see taking a step back could be the Bengals. That or they'll just continue on being the Bengals. Just about everyone else, has arrows pointing up. Denver's I'm not so sure.

While I still see Denver as one of the better teams, you gotta admit, this year was probably one of the easiest roads to a Superbowl for them. Not seeing them being a lock for home field advantage next year.

upstater1 · Feb 3, 2014

NJPatsfan26 said:
IMO they played their superbowl 2 weeks ago versus the Patriots and came into this game feeling all mighty and powerful and just felt they could roll over the seahawks without really trying.

Well they got a wake up call 12 seconds into the game with the safety and from then on, the game was over.

Pay A Ton is a choke artist and thankfully this will at least diminish the argument of who is the better QB between Brady and Manning.

People will laugh at you because this is the Super Bowl after all but there is no doubt in my mind that the blowouts over Denver in 2004 and 2005 by the Colts contributed to the Colts overconfidence in their next games. And, for that matter, winning 18 games in a row in 2007-2008 made the Patriots ****y as hell. I really think they took the Giants too lightly.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 3, 2014

Bravo777 said:
I'm not sure about you guys but...I can't believe I'm saying this. I actually feel a bit sorry for Peyton. The look on his face toward the end of the game, it just made me feel sorry for him.

He's a pro. He doesn't want our pity...nor should he have it.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 3, 2014

Joker said:
what legacy?

what IS this "legacy" thing you speak of??

Didn't they do the half time show?

Rob0729 · Feb 3, 2014

Personally, I don't think it will do that much to his legacy. For people who already think he is a playoff choker, yesterday just validates it. Anyone who thought he was the greatest QB despite not performing well in the playoffs prior to this year will probably not be swayed.

All this game could have done is erased his choking in the playoffs stink and unfortunately all this game did was enforce that belief.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 3, 2014

SVN said:
The legacy of Denver Broncos QB Peyton Manning - NFL Videos

Deion Says it like it is.

thanks for posting that. deion is one of the few mediots I take seriously...even when he's a bit full of himself, which is quite often.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 3, 2014

PATS16N0 said:
Where do you think the 2013 Broncos rank among WORST SUPERBOWL TEAMS OF ALL TIME?

:singing:

the donkeys yesterday played one of the worst sb games of all time, but the Bears team that Indy beat a few years back and a few others belong on that list and not these broncos. doesn't change a thing about the damage the loss does to peyton, but one of the "worst superbowl teams of all time?" No.

let's give the seahawks the credit they deserve in all three phases of the game...one of the very few teams to score td's on O, D and ST in an SB.

I don't know what the outcome would have been, but I think the Pats would have had a hard time beating the Seattle team that showed up yesterday...from the very start of the game, the Seahawks reminded me of the 01/02 Pats in SB XXXVI...they punched the broncos in the nose on every play and didn't let up. hats off and congrats to them.

goheels22002 · Feb 3, 2014

It puts Peyton (2-2) right up there with Tim Tebow (1-1) at .500 in Broncos playoff history, but behind Tebow in career playoff winning percentage.

Trick question: Which of the following NFL quarterbacks has the lowest playoff winning percentage?

A. Richard Todd
B. Kordell Stewart
C. Bubby Brister
D. David Woodley
E. Mark Sanchez
F. Peyton Manning

Clue: His little brother has won twice as many Super Bowls and the caretakers at Easter Island have asked John Elway if they can have his head to add to their collection. Elway said, "Be my guest."

NFL starting quarterback playoff records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

GaryfromTO · Feb 3, 2014

goheels22002 said:
It puts Peyton (2-2) right up there with Tim Tebow (1-1) at .500 in Broncos playoff history, but behind Tebow in career playoff winning percentage.

Trick question: Which of the following NFL quarterbacks has the lowest playoff winning percentage?

A. Richard Todd
B. Kordell Stewart
C. Bubby Brister
D. David Woodley
E. Mark Sanchez
F. Peyton Manning

I'll take F for a thousand Alex.

PatsFanSince74 · Feb 3, 2014

I went to an SB party in Manhattan with my kids yesterday. We went around the room and I was the only adult of more than a dozen in the room who had the Seahawks winning and I took some derision for that before Kickoff (could have cleaned the house on bets)...the derision stopped at the first snap on Offense...heh heh.

Two thoughts.

One, as I posted above, the Seahawks yesterday reminded me of the Pats in SB XXXVI. They came out and punched the Broncos in the nose from the get-go. They pressured Manning on every play, taking the risk of leaving receivers open and banking on being able to force him to throw sooner than he liked. I still think the big hit he took in the first quarter took a lot out of him. The only thing I don't like about all the dumping on Peyton (see below for my own contribution, BTW) is that it takes away from the awesome performance and coaching that the Seahawks showed us.

Two, on the "legacy" issue. To paraphrase Deion Sanders in the clip in this thread, you can't take credit for the sunshine if you aren't ready to take blame for the rain. Peyton Manning will forever be remembered as one of the greatest QB's of all time, in the discussion, along with Brady, Montana, Starr and Unitas, for the GOAT. But, yesterday's game takes away any possibility that there will ever be a consensus that he is indeed the GOAT. The question remains open as it should. It will only be closed if Brady picks up his fourth ring.

A QB is judged on his individual performance, indeed. But he is equally judged as the leader of his team and on his ability to elevate the play of those around him. At 11--12 in the post season, 1--2 in SB's and with the lowest QB rating in SB history yesterday, Peyton will forever come up short on half the grade.

No one who knows anything about the NFL can now credibly argue that Peyton Williams Manning is the GOAT, when no fewer than TEN SB-era QB's have more than one ring. Let's just take a moment to remember who they are: Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Tom Brady, John Elway, Bob Griese, Eli Manning (ouch!), Joe Montana, Ben Roethlisberger, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach.

The bottom line is that the difference between Brady's three rings and Manning's one ring is exponentially greater than the difference would be regarded if it were now between three and two rings.

NJPatsfan26 · Feb 3, 2014

upstater1 said:
People will laugh at you because this is the Super Bowl after all but there is no doubt in my mind that the blowouts over Denver in 2004 and 2005 by the Colts contributed to the Colts overconfidence in their next games. And, for that matter, winning 18 games in a row in 2007-2008 made the Patriots ****y as hell. I really think they took the Giants too lightly.

yes I agree. We were very over confident coming into that game in 2007. Perfect record in hand and one win away.

its nice to see it happen to another team.

TruthSeeker · Feb 3, 2014

PatsFanSince74 said:
I went to an SB party in Manhattan with my kids yesterday. We went around the room and I was the only adult of more than a dozen in the room who had the Seahawks winning and I took some derision for that before Kickoff (could have cleaned the house on bets)...the derision stopped at the first snap on Offense...heh heh.

Two thoughts.

One, as I posted above, the Seahawks yesterday reminded me of the Pats in SB XXXVI. They came out and punched the Broncos in the nose from the get-go. They pressured Manning on every play, taking the risk of leaving receivers open and banking on being able to force him to throw sooner than he liked. I still think the big hit he took in the first quarter took a lot out of him. The only thing I don't like about all the dumping on Peyton (see below for my own contribution, BTW) is that it takes away from the awesome performance and coaching that the Seahawks showed us.

Two, on the "legacy" issue. To paraphrase Deion Sanders in the clip in this thread, you can't take credit for the sunshine if you aren't ready to take blame for the rain. Peyton Manning will forever be remembered as one of the greatest QB's of all time, in the discussion, along with Brady, Montana, Starr and Unitas, for the GOAT. But, yesterday's game takes away any possibility that there will ever be a consensus that he is indeed the GOAT. The question remains open as it should. It will only be closed if Brady picks up his fourth ring.

A QB is judged on his individual performance, indeed. But he is equally judged as the leader of his team and on his ability to elevate the play of those around him. At 11--12 in the post season, 1--2 in SB's and with the lowest QB rating in SB history yesterday, Peyton will forever come up short on half the grade.

No one who knows anything about the NFL can now credibly argue that Peyton Williams Manning is the GOAT, when no fewer than TEN SB-era QB's have more than one ring. Let's just take a moment to remember who they are: Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, Tom Brady, John Elway, Bob Griese, Eli Manning (ouch!), Joe Montana, Ben Roethlisberger, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach.

The bottom line is that the difference between Brady's three rings and Manning's one ring is exponentially greater than the difference would be regarded if it were now between three and two rings.

Lowest QB rating ever yesterday ? Didn't Roethlisraper have like a 22 QB rating in his first SB win ? I thought THAT was the lowest ever.

Peachhead · Feb 3, 2014

No, this game cements his legacy.

In exactly the opposite way that he wants. As a big-time choke artist. As an unbelievably physically gifted individual player and tactition in optimal conditions. But as a mentally tough leader and as a team member and clutch under anything less than perfect conditions? Bottom half of the league.

Brady_to_Moss · Feb 3, 2014

Winning 5 MVP obviously means he's great QB....but in the biggest stage,i think Brady handles the moment better and therefore in my mind, Brady will always be better. Even after this performance people are still angry that his MVP wasn't unanimous Peyton Manning Deserved Unanimous Selection for 2013-14 NFL MVP Award | Bleacher Report

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