Brady's playoff performances

Brady has not played well in the playoffs of late.
It is not wrong to say that.

Things may have been different if freakin' Gronk could just stay healthy. Or in Hernandez wasn't a criminal. We DID have good players around him who could catch the ball and make plays but things happen. Sadly, they always seem to happen to our players.

I still cannot understand why he couldn't hit Edelman on that play. That could have been a real confidence booster but he overthrew him badly. He needs to make plays like that when they are there. That's the biggest issue I had with Brady's play. Manning's wobbly ducks always seemed to connect, Brady's passes always seems to be three or four yards too long.

Bella*chick said:

I still cannot understand why he couldn't hit Edelman on that play. That could have been a real confidence booster but he overthrew him badly. He needs to make plays like that when they are there. That's the biggest issue I had with Brady's play. Manning's wobbly ducks always seemed to connect, Brady's passes always seems to be three or four yards too long.

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The apologists have been exception this go around
1)"Brady throws to a spot and it is up to the WR to get to the spot"
2)"Rarified air" neutralized the GOAT....or......"spiral too tight for altitude games"
3)"Brady didn't lock onto Edelman this year, or Welker last year, he can only use the assets he has"
4)"He can't catch his own passes"
5)"The hand"

tobias funke said:

Only in New England are the fans complaining that their QB took them to the playoffs 8 times in 8 seasons, the AFC championship 5 times, and the SB twice.

Yeah, I can't wait to replace this guy and we can finally get over the hump.

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I don't think that's what most people are complaining about.

I think most rational fans understand we've seen good football and have come to expect good football during Brady and Belichick's time here. Because of their own personal standards...Belichick preaches 'one week at a time', 'the past means nothing', 'winning the next game', etc, etc.

My issue is the trajectory of the team, since winning the SB in 2004 we are 2-5 in championship games, and 0-2 in SB's...with Brady's numbers and production in the post-season showing inconsistencies in critical situations in big games.

It just seems frustruating that we can't "get over the hump"...frustruating that we can't get to a big game and win it like we were able to ten years ago.

So next year who knows how the lineup will look around TB, who stays healthy, and so on and so forth. Being a Patriots fan is different because of the early success with Belichick and Brady.

Losing championship games is a terrible feeling every year. But I'd take it over not being there, for sure....it's just frusturating in a perplexing way to be good but not good enough for ten years.

PattieswinSB said:

Has anyone noticed how Brady's playoff performance has declined since his SB years? He has rarely come up in the clutch for us since 2005. Is he getting a free pass now because of those 4 early years?

2005- Throws near pick 6 and loses vs Denver

2006- Throws 3 picks vs Chargers and gets baiiled out. Loses 18 point halftime lead and throws pick to end the game

2007- Mediocre game vs Chargers. Only puts up 14 vs an average Giants defense despite having the record for most points scored ever.

2009- Lays an egg vs Baltimore at home

2010- Repeats the previous years performance vs the Jets at home

2011- Only puts up 17 points vs Giants and throws a critical 4th quarter INT

2012- Awful game vs Baltimore

2013- Gets outplayed by Manning and misses crucial deep balls to open receivers

The offense averaged 17.8 PPG in those 8 losses.

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You left out all his good games. Like you were focused only on the bad. What about Denver in 2012? In the Giants Super Bowl, Brady threw 21 consecutive completions and tied an NFL record. To say he played badly in that game is not realistic at all.

Calling him out against the Colts in 2006-7? Oh my God??!! He threw a pick to end the game?

You can't be serious here. He had no timeouts and had to score a TD in a less than a minute.

I refuse to take this post seriously.

borg said:

The apologists have been exception this go around
1)"Brady throws to a spot and it is up to the WR to get to the spot"
2)"Rarified air" neutralized the GOAT....or......"spiral too tight for altitude games"
3)"Brady didn't lock onto Edelman this year, or Welker last year, he can only use the assets he has"
4)"He can't catch his own passes"
5)"The hand"

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Peyton missed several wide open receivers as well. He missed a wide open Decker in the end zone, missed D Thomas downfield. The difference is that Peyton can go back to those WRs over and over again. When Tom Brady's bomb to Slater was right on target early in the game, Slater couldn't come down with it. Does anyone doubt that D Thomas would have?

That's the difference between the two QBs yesterday.

Bella*chick said:

Manning's wobbly ducks always seemed to connect, Brady's passes always seems to be three or four yards too long.

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But they don't always connect. It just seems that way. Because Peyton had a million first downs and never punted. That's the point. Peyton has a lot of overthrows as well, and he had several yesterday. But unlike Brady, his attempts don't end with the one blown chance.

upstater1 said:

Peyton missed several wide open receivers as well. He missed a wide open Decker in the end zone, missed D Thomas downfield. The difference is that Peyton can go back to those WRs over and over again. When Tom Brady's bomb to Slater was right on target early in the game, Slater couldn't come down with it. Does anyone doubt that D Thomas would have?

That's the difference between the two QBs yesterday.

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The pass to Slater was inaccurate. Slater had inside leverage and Brady threw it the only place the defender could reach it. Lots of room inside where Slater would have been the only one with a chance. Deep shots to Slater, Edelman, and Collie, were all bad throws.

RhodyPatriot said:

Why can't you honestly critique Brady's performance??

We don't "expect otherworldy performances every year" from Tom Brady.
What we do expect is for this player, who is touted as the best of all time by many, we expect him to be able to make a throw to an open receiver when the play is there. There were open receivers and plays to be made and the HOF QB did not get it done yesterday. This has been a recurring playoff theme with Brady for years now. Just be honest. So tired of the blind cheerleading for TB. Sadly Tom's past reputation can't carry this team.

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Brady missed a couple key throws.

No receiver besides Edelman did much.

The running game did nothing.

The offensive line got dominated.

The defensive line got no pressure.

The secondary got picked apart.

The linebackers didn't make plays.

That's my criticism of Brady in context, do you disagree?

upstater1 said:

You left out all his good games. Like you were focused only on the bad. What about Denver in 2012? In the Giants Super Bowl, Brady threw 21 consecutive completions and tied an NFL record. To say he played badly in that game is not realistic at all.

Calling him out against the Colts in 2006-7? Oh my God??!! He threw a pick to end the game?

You can't be serious here. He had no timeouts and had to score a TD in a less than a minute.

I refuse to take this post seriously.

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What do you want, he's only been posting for two weeks.

borg said:

The apologists have been exception this go around
1)"Brady throws to a spot and it is up to the WR to get to the spot"
2)"Rarified air" neutralized the GOAT....or......"spiral too tight for altitude games"
3)"Brady didn't lock onto Edelman this year, or Welker last year, he can only use the assets he has"
4)"He can't catch his own passes"
5)"The hand"

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I am curious now after one of your prior posts - what team are you a fan of? You seem to surface during the bad times with uplifting observations like these. Even a weak fan of the team would appear to have something positive to say occasionally, and by that I don't mean "I am positive the Pats are going to lose."

upstater1 said:

But they don't always connect. It just seems that way. Because Peyton had a million first downs and never punted. That's the point. Peyton has a lot of overthrows as well, and he had several yesterday. But unlike Brady, his attempts don't end with the one blown chance.

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I know, I can actually recall a few times Peyton was off the mark too, but he usually connected the next time. But some of those passes! Wobbling, meandering through the air. And caught by his guy. Unbelievable.

RayClay said:

Brady missed a couple key throws.

No receiver besides Edelman did much.

The running game did nothing.

The offensive line got dominated.

The defensive line got no pressure.

The secondary got picked apart.

The linebackers didn't make plays.

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Brady did throw two bad passes that likely left 10 points off the board (assuming the receivers somehow got to where they were supposed to be on the throws and didn't slow down on the routes). He played satisfactorily (didn't turn the ball over), but not to the level I believe he is capable.

I wondered during the game if he was still sick to some degree. He just seemed a little off in his play and his demeanor. Not awful, just not TB at his best.

I am not going to rip him for not being spectacular yesterday. E. Manning and Flacco may have shown up on one day, but have not carried a season. Flacco was asked to do that after looting the team, and as a result we cannot ask about the sequel to defend the title because there is none. Eli Manning has the same story. Peyton has lost a ton of games and won two playoff games at home. If by outduel one means lucked out on a duck of a pass and benefited from a critical secondary loss that changed the game, then yes, he did that.

So much for celebrating a great, overachieving season full of accomplishments with all the 9-7/non-playoff predictions that ended in the AFC title game. Time to start tearing this awful team down and claiming how these other teams are so much better. The Pats will return. The glory of a Hawks Super Bowl win is none of the other three participants in yesterdays game (Hawks included) may be able to say they same as they may all implode to some degree with that result.

Mack Herron said:

The pass to Slater was inaccurate. Slater had inside leverage and Brady threw it the only place the defender could reach it. Lots of room inside where Slater would have been the only one with a chance. Deep shots to Slater, Edelman, and Collie, were all bad throws.

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You have to be absolutely kidding. That was a perfect throw. The difference is that other teams have WRs that go up and grab those things. Slater was on a dead run, and Brady threw a ball up and it came down right at the spot where Slater was running 50 yards downfield. Perfect. Slater has like 1 catch in his entire NFL career. on the other side of the field, Peyton makes throws not nearly as accurate as that one, and Thomas comes down with them after making adjustments. Slater didn't have to adjust to it at all. He was full speed and the ball was right there.

MassPats38 said:

Brady did throw two bad passes that likely left 10 points off the board (assuming the receivers somehow got to where they were supposed to be on the throws and didn't slow down on the routes). He played satisfactorily (didn't turn the ball over), but not to the level I believe he is capable.

I wondered during the game if he was still sick to some degree. He just seemed a little off in his play and his demeanor. Not awful, just not TB at his best.

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I agree and I think that's as much criticism as anyone has attached to Brady in this thread. yet we have overly protective and sensitive fans getting their jimmies rustled. This is not hating, this is facts

Bella*chick said:

I know, I can actually recall a few times Peyton was off the mark too, but he usually connected the next time. But some of those passes! Wobbling, meandering through the air. And caught by his guy. Unbelievable.

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You're right about those passes. The ones to Welker were unbelievable. Brady connected downfield over the middle several times, but again, when you have a powerful offense, you don't have to worry about missing those passes. You're going to get a chance to do it over and over and over.

This is posed to Pats fans, not specially you Bellachick, but does anyone remember how potent last year's offense was? Brady could do no wrong. I bet if we rewound, we'd see a QB missing several times a game, but by virtue of the offense's power, he looked invincible, better than he ever has.

Too many Patriot fans seem to forget the fact that last year's offense was the 4th best offense in NFL history.

upstater1 said:

You're right about those passes. The ones to Welker were unbelievable. Brady connected downfield over the middle several times, but again, when you have a powerful offense, you don't have to worry about missing those passes. You're going to get a chance to do it over and over and over.

This is posed to Pats fans, not specially you Bellachick, but does anyone remember how potent last year's offense was? Brady could do no wrong. I bet if we rewound, we'd see a QB missing several times a game, but by virtue of the offense's power, he looked invincible, better than he ever has.

Too many Patriot fans seem to forget the fact that last year's offense was the 4th best offense in NFL history.

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yes even against baltimore we were potent, just made mistakes

If you look objectively at it, Brady hasn't played well in the playoffs in some time. He certainly hasn't been an elite level playoff performer of late ..... and that is what is expected from a guy that is in GOAT consideration.

Re: Brady's playoff performancesi ave never

I have never seen an elite QB to have to do more with less this season with the trash Brady had at WR. Bellicheck has been a terrible GM for years and the Pats won't win another SB in the Brady era until he stripped of his GM duties. They pass every year on top free agent wrs that they need.

RayClay said:

Brady missed a couple key throws.

No receiver besides Edelman did much.

The running game did nothing.

The offensive line got dominated.

The defensive line got no pressure.

The secondary got picked apart.

The linebackers didn't make plays.

That's my criticism of Brady in context, do you disagree?

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All true!! But nobody gets a pass and has excuses made for him like Brady does and it's simply not warranted anymore.
Tom Brady has been a mediocre playoff QB for the past 5, 6, 7+ years.