Lots of believers on this team...

oldrover said:

He's not speaking for Brady... he's stating the obvious. Raised Catholic, went to Catholic school, married in the Catholic Church to another devout Catholic, went to meet the POPE for goodness sake, doesn't wear his faith on his sleeve, but certainly shows it through his actions with his wife and children and others in general (well, except when he's swearing at the rooks for another blown route assignment LOL).

That's all pretty self-evident, wouldn't you say?

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Raised a devout Christian, went to Catholic school (Notre Dame HS in West Haven, CT), married in Catholic Church to another Catholic, who got her degree from BC, I have 2 Priests in the family, have been in St. Peter's with Pope officiating, AND, won my HS's "Religious Medal" (for highest grades in religion class), both children baptized = I'm an ATHEIST.

I can't believe that in this day and age, people still believe in god. :bricks:

miamipat said:

Some claim to be religious/part of a religion and some have a relationship w/ God.........there's a big difference I assure you.

True Christians are called to be leaders, humble, intelligent, peace-makers, respectful. I don't know about you but if I'm a coach I want my players to have those attributes

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Any religion or philosophy can prize humility, intelligence respect, etc. (Not sure peacemaking is preferred on football field). In my life experience, I don't see these attributes in practice more by one religious person than a non-religious person. In fact, it's quote the opposite for me.

KamikazeKnight said:

I can't believe that in this day and age, people still believe in god. :bricks:

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I saw the sun go up this morning, yep I still believe in God. Sorry If I choose to believe something creating something as opposed to nothing creating something.

upstater1 said:

Any religion or philosophy can prize humility, intelligence respect, etc. (Not sure peacemaking is preferred on football field). In my life experience, I don't see these attributes in practice more by one religious person than a non-religious person. In fact, it's quote the opposite for me.

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I don't disagree with you. Just b/c someone says their religious doesn't make them a true follower of their religion. And you don't have to be part of a religion to posses those positive attributes but I assure you this world would be a much better place if everyone followed the teachings of Jesus.....just my opinion.

Off topic......Go Pats

miamipat said:

I saw the sun go up this morning, yep I still believe in God. Sorry If I choose to believe something creating something as opposed to nothing creating something.

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Right, Apollo did that though.

miamipat said:

I saw the sun go up this morning, yep I still believe in God. Sorry If I choose to believe something creating something as opposed to nothing creating something.

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If you'd been born in the middle east to Muslim parents, you would surely have been a Muslim instead. So, honestly what's the point?

You guys want to talk about players on the Patriots, this thread stays in the main forum.


You guys want to continue the current conversation, it moves it to the Religious Forum.



Your choice.

KamikazeKnight said:

If you'd been born in the middle east to Muslim parents, you would surely have been a Muslim instead. So, honestly what's the point?

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Sorry to prove you wrong my friend but I was born into a Jewish family, wasn't religious at all until I was 30. Then I met Christ and my life hasn't been better. Good try though

Yeah... I wasn't trying to start a Spanish inquisition here... just suggesting the same... that a belief in Something Greater Than Yourself, and treating your fellow man the way you'd want to be treated are welcomed concepts on the Pats. The whole 'next man up' and 'do your job' mantras.

Really, it's more noteworthy to me because of the absolute lack (IMHO) of expressed faith from any of the other Boston sports teams ever.

I always thought maybe it was a regional thing... we New Englanders ain't exactly your street-corner Bible thumpers. But again, I do like seeing the 'team before the individual' factor expressed so emphatically by the Patriots players.

GO PATS! BEAT THE FOREHEAD!!!! (just thought I'd get that in there LOL)

upstater1 said:

If Pat Tillman were alive and young and willing to play for short money, I'm sure Belichick would have welcomed him to the team no matter what.

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Pat Tillman was an atheist.

Tom can believe in woodland fairies, Zuul the Gatekeeper of Gozer, and a flat Earth for all I care.

I just want him to be the QB of my team, not some role model or spiritual guide.

Just to be clear...my point at the beginning of the thread was that a 'believer' mentality was more present within the team these days... and I wondered if Belichick was taking note of that and thinking it was a good thing both for players personally and collectively.

miamipat said:

I don't disagree with you. Just b/c someone says their religious doesn't make them a true follower of their religion. And you don't have to be part of a religion to posses those positive attributes but I assure you this world would be a much better place if everyone followed the teachings of Jesus.....just my opinion.

Off topic......Go Pats

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This atheist does indeed like the parables and Jesus. But I like a bunch of other people in no particular order. I studied religion so much that I often have to educate Christians about Christianity. In my anecdotal experience, maybe 1 out of 100 Catholics knows what the Immaculate Conception is. I'm always here to explain it to them.

oldrover said:

I love how so many of the players' tweets will quote scripture and reference humility and thanks to God and Christ. And while Brady is more circumspect in discussing his faith, he and Gisele are very committed Catholics. Belichick has to feel that influence (or should I say "Influence") is a huge positive on the team both personally and professionally, or he wouldn't keep drafting and acquiring players who unabashedly walk that walk.

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There is little correlation between belief in god and "walking that walk." In fact, nonbelievers are less violent, more tolerant, more intelligent, and more progressive than their counterparts of faith.

Atheists are the most hated and mistrusted group in the United States, beating out muslims, homosexuals, illegal immigrants (none of whom I have anything against), and even rapists (of whom I highly disapprove).

The notion that you, by virtue of your Christianity, have some special path to salvation is offensive to nonbelievers. It would be much better for everyone if Christians were to keep all their specialness to themselves. It is likely that you have neither the intellect nor the intellectual courage to escape from your beliefs, but please keep them to yourself and try to understand why some people would prefer that athletes do the same.

fake punt said:

Pat Tillman was an atheist.

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Which is why I made my post.

upstater1 said:

Which is why I made my post.

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Noted. Thank you.

I'm more of a lurker here than a poster but I just thought I'd leave these here because I feel like some people might find them interesting.

Tom Brady's Religion and Political Views | Hollowverse
Gisele Bündchen's Religion and Political Views | Hollowverse

the hollowverse is a website that tracks the ideological views, both religious and political, of famous people. Tom and Gisele very well may be Catholic but neither of them to seem to be all that traditional.

As for my own opinions on this issue, of which I have many, all I will say is that I wish that, instead of thanking god or Jesus, players would give most of the credit to their teammates, coaches, and themselves in the post game interviews. You and the rest of your team busted your asses to get where you are, a pat on the back is not out of order and if god were real, I doubt he'd care too much about football.

I don't care all too much for religion but it does seem to help a lot of people keep focused on doing the right thing and succeeding in life. If this also applies to NFL players, more power to them. I'm not so sure I'd say that there are a lot more believers on this team than any other; I always thought most NFL players were super religious.

BBoverRR said:

I'm more of a lurker here than a poster but I just thought I'd leave these here because I feel like some people might find them interesting.

Tom Brady's Religion and Political Views | Hollowverse
Gisele Bündchen's Religion and Political Views | Hollowverse

the hollowverse is a website that tracks the ideological views, both religious and political, of famous people. Tom and Gisele very well may be Catholic but neither of them to seem to be all that traditional.

As for my own opinions on this issue, of which I have many, all I will say is that I wish that, instead of thanking god or Jesus, players would give most of the credit to their teammates, coaches, and themselves in the post game interviews. You and the rest of your team busted your asses to get where you are, a pat on the back is not out of order and if god were real, I doubt he'd care too much about football.

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3 things:

1. That website is not a serious source of information. The tone alone sounds like some snarky entertainment weasel wrote it.

2. God cares about the sparrows and the lilies... and He cares enough about us to send His only Son to die for us. Football... who knows... but how we conduct ourselves on this earth... on or off a football field... yeah.

3. Moderator... please boot this thread to the religious forum. I tried to keep it football-centered, and failed. Mea culpa.