Jay Glazer: Rex Ryan told his team "word on the street" is he is getting fired

Maybe he should have kissed BB's rings...

resdubwhite said:

I'm going out on a limb here. Rex will never coach for New England.

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Agreed, I think Kraft would want no part of him. I would be ok with Rob Ryan though, he has great hair.

Gumby said:

The funniest thing about this quote is that you are a PATRIOTS fan, .....

and our HoF coach's TWO most memorable personnel decisions were:

BENCHING BERNIE KOSAR (proabably the 2d most beloved QB in Browns history - after Otto Graham)

BENCHING DREW BLEDSOE (partial savior of the Patriots franchise)

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Great post! Thank you.

PP2 said:

And so did Tannebaum & co. Ryan isn't the only one who screwed up.

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We are talking about Ryan. He failed.
Give whatever portion of responsiblity you want to a HC, and he failed at it.

You ARE putting words in my mouth. Did I say it wasn't his fault?

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Since you keep arguing it was someone else fault, yes you are.
Was he the coach? Did he fail? Excuses are irrelevant. I'm sure every coach who has ever failed can blame ownership and the GM.

No. Again, for the 100th time, I am saying that to pin the failure of the franchise on the HC is silly. There were others complicit, such as Tannebaum for example. He is arguably one of the worse GM's in the game.

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I am pinning the failure of the teams he coached and the way he coached them on him. For some reason you seem to want to take "Rex Ryan did a bad job" and think that means I said everyone else in the organization was perfect. You are indulged in an elaborate strawman to the point your every response is strawmanish.
BTW, one of the worst GMs in the game is hyperbole. During his tenure in 7 seasons they went to the playoffs 3 times and the AFCCG twice. They had 4 winning seasons and 1 .500 season, and overall were 57-55.
That is not arguably one of the worst, it is medicore. Perhaps a better coaching hire in 2009 would have helped as well.

You said they've been competitive the last 15 years. In that period they are 137-119, and won the AFC east only ONCE. That is not competitive to me.

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Of course that is competitive. They win more than they lose, they are in the playoffs more than the average team. What do you consider competitive?
I think your numbers are wrong but from 1997 to today they are 141-130 which is tied for 11th best among 32 teams. That is competitive.
They were also tied for 11th in playoff appearances.
They have a 7-7 playoff record over that time, which is the 9th most wins.
In other words 8 teams have won more playoff games and 23 have won fewer.
I don't know how you consider that not competitive. Being more successful than more teams than you are less successful seems to be a pretty good gauge of competitive, and certainly isn't the kind of organization that makes it impossible for a coach to succeed as you are implying.

Gumby said:

The funniest thing about this quote is that you are a PATRIOTS fan, .....

and our HoF coach's TWO most memorable personnel decisions were:

BENCHING BERNIE KOSAR (proabably the 2d most beloved QB in Browns history - after Otto Graham)

BENCHING DREW BLEDSOE (partial savior of the Patriots franchise)

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Not interested in a BB vs. Ryan comparison. There is none.

Both Kosar and Bledsoe had more than ample time to prove themselves and didn't.

I think Bernie was in his 9th or 10th season when he was benched.

PP2 said:

Not interested in a BB vs. Ryan comparison. There is none.

Both Kosar and Bledsoe had more than ample time to prove themselves and didn't.

I think Bernie was in his 9th or 10th season when he was benched.

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But Belichick was villified and almost run out of town for benching Kosar, and your claim is no coach could ever bench Mark Sanchez because the guy you call the worst GM in the league liked him.

AndyJohnson said:

We are talking about Ryan. He failed.
Give whatever portion of responsiblity you want to a HC, and he failed at it.

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Did I say he "did not fail?" No, I didn't.

AndyJohnson said:

Since you keep arguing it was someone else fault, yes you are.
Was he the coach? Did he fail? Excuses are irrelevant. I'm sure every coach who has ever failed can blame ownership and the GM.

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Again, how many times do I have to say it? My opinion is that to blame one person for the failure of an entire franchise is presumptuous.

AndyJohnson said:

I am pinning the failure of the teams he coached and the way he coached them on him. For some reason you seem to want to take "Rex Ryan did a bad job" and think that means I said everyone else in the organization was perfect. You are indulged in an elaborate strawman to the point your every response is strawmanish.
BTW, one of the worst GMs in the game is hyperbole. During his tenure in 7 seasons they went to the playoffs 3 times and the AFCCG twice. They had 4 winning seasons and 1 .500 season, and overall were 57-55.
That is not arguably one of the worst, it is medicore. Perhaps a better coaching hire in 2009 would have helped as well.

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That is your opinion and that is your answer.

Tannebaum is the one who gave us a few joyous years with Favre and then helped to pull the strings for Sanchez which gave us more joy. He is complicit.

And yes, I think he is one of the worst GM's in the business. You say otherwise, but the Jets don't agree with you. They demoted him.

AndyJohnson said:

Of course that is competitive. They win more than they lose, they are in the playoffs more than the average team. What do you consider competitive?
I think your numbers are wrong but from 1997 to today they are 141-130 which is tied for 11th best among 32 teams. That is competitive.
They were also tied for 11th in playoff appearances.
They have a 7-7 playoff record over that time, which is the 9th most wins.
In other words 8 teams have won more playoff games and 23 have won fewer.
I don't know how you consider that not competitive. Being more successful than more teams than you are less successful seems to be a pretty good gauge of competitive, and certainly isn't the kind of organization that makes it impossible for a coach to succeed as you are implying.

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I calculated from 1999, but even taking your numbers dating back to 1997, ELEVEN games above .500 is far from competitive to me.

AndyJohnson said:

But Belichick was villified and almost run out of town for benching Kosar, and your claim is no coach could ever bench Mark Sanchez because the guy you call the worst GM in the league liked him.

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We're getting way off base here. My original argument is that to hold Ryan accountable for what's wrong with the franchise is silly.

Although I would say that in BB's case, he was justified as Kosar had almost 10 seasons to prove himself. Not popular with the fans, but maybe a different story with the FO or the owner.

PP2 said:

Did I say he "did not fail?" No, I didn't.

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OK, then why are you arguing a strawman?
You objected to the comments that he did a bad job.

Again, how many times do I have to say it? My opinion is that to blame one person for the failure of an entire franchise is presumptuous.

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Why do you keep saying that as if anyone has ever said it is 100% his fault? The coaching part is 100% his fault.

That is your opinion and that is your answer.

Tannebaum is the one who gave us a few joyous years with Favre and then helped to pull the strings for Sanchez which gave us more joy. He is complicit.

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They were better because of Favre the ONE year he was there.
It wasn't very joyous for me, because we didn't make the playoffs.

Drafting a QB who isn't ready to start and handing him over to a coaching staff that starts him immediately and does a terrible job coaching him is not the GMs fault. Rex wanted Sanchez. The GM portion would be the trade that was made, and Tannenbaum gave up very little to move up to get him. What would you have preferred him to do, take Josh Freeman.
A GM is not defined by one choice. He also drafted Revis, and many other good players.

And yes, I think he is one of the worst GM's in the business. You say otherwise, but the Jets don't agree with you. They demoted him.

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I will let his record speak to the job he did. It says he was a bit better than average.

I calculated from 1999, but even taking your numbers dating back to 1997, ELEVEN games above .500 is far from competitive to me.

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If you win more games than you lose and make the playoffs more time than average, how is that not competitive?
How is being top 8-11 in the league in every metric of winning not competitive.
Are you saying that in a league where 12 teams make the playoffs, less than 8-11 are competitive?
You seem to be grasping at straws now.
Perhaps we should move on.

PP2 said:

We're getting way off base here. My original argument is that to hold Ryan accountable for what's wrong with the franchise is silly.

Although I would say that in BB's case, he was justified as Kosar had almost 10 seasons to prove himself. Not popular with the fans, but maybe a different story with the FO or the owner.

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Ryan is being held accountable for the job he has done.

Please show me who made this argument that he is 100% accountable for everything about the Jets that you are arguing against.

The person you initally responded to stated that Ryan
1)has completely ignored the offensive side of the team and has freely admitted this over the years
2) His team consistently exhibit poor discipline in that they often lead the league or are near the top of the league in penalties each year
3) His clock management has cost them games
4) his poor decision making has jeopardized full seasons (this one-sticking Sanchez in a meaningless pre season game behind a 3rd string O line, which forced the team to go to clearly not ready Gino Smith for the season

All of these are true and all of these are Ryan issues, not the GM or owner

AndyJohnson said:

OK, then why are you arguing a strawman?
You objected to the comments that he did a bad job.

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Here is what I said about Ryan:

Am I saying he is an awesome coach? No. He has plenty of flaws, but it's silly to pin everything that is wrong with the Jets, on him.

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AndyJohnson said:

Why do you keep saying that as if anyone has ever said it is 100% his fault? The coaching part is 100% his fault.

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Did I say anything about his coaching? No. The premise of my argument is that to pin everything on him isn't an accurate portrayal of what's wrong with the Jets franchise.

AndyJohnson said:

They were better because of Favre the ONE year he was there.

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They were definitely not better because Favre was there for one year. Maybe a very short term solution, but it hurt them over the long run. It pushed off their ability to rebuild for at least another year, and all the sideshow distractions didn't help (sexting lawsuit, et al).

AndyJohnson said:

If you win more games than you lose and make the playoffs more time than average, how is that not competitive?
How is being top 8-11 in the league in every metric of winning not competitive.
Are you saying that in a league where 12 teams make the playoffs, less than 8-11 are competitive?
You seem to be grasping at straws now.
Perhaps we should move on.

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That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. You are entitled to your opinions. I would never be satisfied with a team who wins just 11 more games than they lose in over an entire decade.

Please find me a Jets fan who is happy with that.

You can move on if you want.

Rooting for my Jets to beat the Phins Sunday. Pressure will be on to keep Rex after his sam is turned around and the new QB developing. Please make it so.

PP2 said:

Here is what I said about Ryan:








Did I say anything about his coaching? No. The premise of my argument is that to pin everything on him isn't an accurate portrayal of what's wrong with the Jets franchise.

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No one is 'pinning' anything on him but his responsibliities.
Yuo seem to have made up a point of view to argue against.

They were definitely not better because Favre was there for one year. Maybe a very short term solution, but it hurt them over the long run. It pushed off their ability to rebuild for at least another year, and all the sideshow distractions didn't help (sexting lawsuit, et al).

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How did it hurt them?
They were better that year, and they didn't have a QB on the roster to develop. They were no worse the next year for having played him.
They did not rebuild until this year, so thats a ludicrous statement.

That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. You are entitled to your opinions. I would never be satisfied with a team who wins just 11 more games than they lose in over an entire decade.

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Not really. The definition of a word is pretty much a fact. Ignoring the definition could be an opinion though.
We aren't talking about being satisfied with being a little better than average.
We are talking about being competitive vs being a dysfunctional joke of a franchsie.
Answer me this:
Add up the teams that were better than the Jets from 1997-today and then the ones that were worse.
Which list is bigger?
Remember this eminated from you saying the organization was so bad you couldn't expect him to win.

If yuo are honest you will admit comeptitive is a substantially better description than dysfunctional joke of a franchsie.

Please find me a Jets fan who is happy with that.

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I can find you 20 teams that would be happier with that than what they had.

You can move on if you want.

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Just seems like the smart thing to do.

I don't want the Jets to fire Rex. He's hilarious. He's a good coach... he can win games. But he'll never be a great coach. He'll never bring a championship to New York. What if the Jets make a smart hire for once?! I rather stick with Rex!

Banjo said:

I don't want the Jets to fire Rex. He's hilarious. He's a good coach... he can win games. But he'll never be a great coach. He'll never bring a championship to New York. What if the Jets make a smart hire for once?! I rather stick with Rex!

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Which is the perfect indictment as to why they should at least consider getting rid of him. If the opposition feels comfortable with your coach and feels he isn't providing them with the best chance to win, it may be time for him to go.

That being said, this sounds like a typical ploy by Rex to motivate his players.

groganbootleg said:

Which is the perfect indictment as to why they should at least consider getting rid of him. If the opposition feels comfortable with your coach and feels he isn't providing them with the best chance to win, it may be time for him to go.

That being said, this sounds like a typical ploy by Rex to motivate his players.

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I hope he motivates them to 8-8 and the accompanying lower draft position.

If I recall, Rob Ryan was fairly quiet while he was here as a coach.

I presume if Rex Ryan were a coach here he'd have to abide by Belichick's Gag Order (no Rex, that doesn't mean what you think it means).

In which case we wouldn't have to hear Rex as a coach or coordinator for any other team - or worse yet hired by some network announcing crew.

Even if they hire him as a consultant and do the exact opposite of what he recommends as a formula for success, it'd be worth whatever the Patriots pay him to shut him up for a season or two.

Let's all lobby to make this happen!

There's literally 0% chance that Rex ends up here, guys. Too much has happened. ****, the "not here to kiss Belichick's rings" comment alone probably precludes it. Do you guys think he has no ego at all?

BradyFTW! said:

There's literally 0% chance that Rex ends up here, guys. Too much has happened. ****, the "not here to kiss Belichick's rings" comment alone probably precludes it. Do you guys think he has no ego at all?

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Find it hard to believe that this conversation has this much life, cannot imagine how Rex's ego and bombasity could coexist in this environment...

He is perfect in NY but a misfit in most NFL environments, find it hard to believe that in this "meritocracy" that folks would just want to dump Patricia... it would severely destroy all that his built...

"Shiny beads" is not what this franchise is about...

BradyFTW! said:

There's literally 0% chance that Rex ends up here, guys. Too much has happened. ****, the "not here to kiss Belichick's rings" comment alone probably precludes it. Do you guys think he has no ego at all?

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This. They guy who said "**** you" to Tom Jackson isn't likely to settle down for cocoa with Rex Ryan after all that's transpired since he became the HC of the NYJ.