Jay Glazer: Rex Ryan told his team "word on the street" is he is getting fired

PP2 · Dec 22, 2013

AndyJohnson said:
You are making that up.
Ryan has been Sanchez' biggest supporter.
Are you telling me that if a coach thinks his QB stinks and tells that to the GM and owner that they will tell him to shut up and be happy with the guy?
This is same GM and owner that have to give Sanchez more money for his ego after they pursued replacing him?

If what you descried was happening, why would he care.
Your argument is now:
Ryan knew Sanchez sucked.
Ryan had no accountability for his lack of development.
Ryan told the owner and GM Sanchez sucked, and they said too bad.
Ryan decided to keep quiet about that because they might fire him.

That just isnt realistic.

I am talking about his 5 year development. There was none, he learned nothing. You reducing that to the butt fumble indicates you understand that and want to get away from the fact.

You are arguing that his record and the dysfunction and failure of the team isn't his fault.
Who is 'blaming all the problems on him'?
Certainly not me. I am saying he sucked. Every coach has problems to deal with and overcome. He didn't have any more than most coaches, and he has failed.

So what are you saying? Tannebaum was a great manager and Woody was an awesome owner and Sanchez was pretty good before he got drafted and Ryan brought them all down?

My original argument is that it's silly to pin the fault of an entire franchise on the HC. I think that's a plausible argument. Again, am I standing up for Ryan? No. I'm not giving him any excuses, but to pin everything on him is a little too much.

The Jets were a dysfunctional franchise before Ryan came, and it'll continue to be dysfunctional after he leaves.

IcyPatriot · Dec 22, 2013

Hercules Rockefeller said:
For all his bluster Rex is an excellent coach. If I was the Jets I wouldn't fire him. Woody is not going to get the next hire right anyway

I disagree ... he is one of the best defensive minds in the league ...

He is lousy at being a head coach ... he enables rather than diffuses distractions, he doesn't have a cohesive plan for the team going forward ... it's a week to week roller coaster for them and it starts with Rex.

As a DC ... all he has to do is coach players and calls plays ... it puts the other crap on mute.
Whoever is lucky enough to hire him will have a very good defensive plan from game to game.

Ring 6 · Dec 22, 2013

PP2 said:
So what are you saying? Tannebaum was a great manager and Woody was an awesome owner and Sanchez was pretty good before he got drafted and Ryan brought them all down?

Where did I say any of those things?
Ryan failed as a HC.

My original argument is that it's silly to pin the fault of an entire franchise on the HC. I think that's a plausible argument. Again, am I standing up for Ryan? No. I'm not giving him any excuses, but to pin everything on him is a little too much.

Ryan failed as a HC.
He is accountable to the job he did, and it was bad.
Of course you are making excuses and sticking up for him, you are saying its silly to pin his record on him, as if its unfair to judge him like you would judge any other HC.

The Jets were a dysfunctional franchise before Ryan came, and it'll continue to be dysfunctional after he leaves.

They were pretty functional when Parcells was there. They have been competitive for over 15 years.

SalemPats · Dec 22, 2013

Rex dug his own grave by trying to be the star. A coach has to be professional and a leader. Rex is none of that, as a result when they fall they fall hard

PatsWickedPissah · Dec 22, 2013

PP2 said:
What else could he have done? Bench Sanchez against the GM and owner's wishes?

Of course he is going to toe the company line. Bellowing from the rooftops would have gotten him canned.

Good one.
You're benched for the start of today's game.

PP2 · Dec 22, 2013

PatsWickedPissah said:
Good one.
You're benched for the start of today's game.

Only for the first drive right?

I was waiting to see if anyone caught that. Props to you.

PatsWickedPissah · Dec 22, 2013

You're too valuable to lose for the whole game

PP2 · Dec 22, 2013

AndyJohnson said:
Where did I say any of those things?
Ryan failed as a HC.
He is accountable to the job he did, and it was bad.

He is accountable to his job, and there are other people accountable to their job in regard to the franchise. Ryan would have never gotten Sanchez without Tannebaum pulling the strings with Mangini while he was the Browns HC.

AndyJohnson said:
Of course you are making excuses and sticking up for him, you are saying its silly to pin his record on him, as if its unfair to judge him like you would judge any other HC.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I have said many times I am not making excuse for him, but to pin the failure of an entire franchise on him is silly.

AndyJohnson said:
They were pretty functional when Parcells was there. They have been competitive for over 15 years.

Bull****. The last time the Jets could even remotely be considered to be competitive was in 1998 when they went 12-4 and won the AFC east.

Fencer · Dec 22, 2013

Ryan has beaten the Patriots numerous times in recent years, typically with inferior personnel. Nobody could be better for a one-year consultant/self-scouting kind of gig. The Don Capers analogy idea is excellent.

For bonus points, Ryan is the son of a famously creative NFL coach, and the twin brother of a successful Patriots assistant.

However, his style of dealing with players (and the media) is very different from BB's, so it's hard to imagine him fitting well into the normal Patriots coaching chain of command.

Ring 6 · Dec 22, 2013

PP2 said:
He is accountable to his job, and there are other people accountable to their job in regard to the franchise. Ryan would have never gotten Sanchez without Tannebaum pulling the strings with Mangini while he was the Browns HC.

And he has failed at his job.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I have said many times I am not making excuse for him, but to pin the failure of an entire franchise on him is silly.

I know you don't THINK you are making excuses for him, but that is exactly what you are doing. You are saying it isn't his fault he failed because of x,y,z and I am saying his job was to succeed with what he was given and not fail and call it OK because you blame someone else.

Bull****. The last time the Jets could even remotely be considered to be competitive was in 1998 when they went 12-4 and won the AFC east.

What?
From 1998-2010 they made the playoffs 7 times in 13 years, more than half the seasons. They had 10 winning seasons. That is competitive.
They have not had back to back non-winning seasons since 95-96, until the 3 in a row Ryan is leading them to.
Think about that from 1997-2010 they were .500 or worse only 3 times in 14 years, and now have been for 3 straight years.
You cannot blame having 3 straight non-winning season in a row in an organization that only had 3 in the past 14 on a dysfunctional organization.
They were better before him than they have been with him, and thats just a fact.

Ring 6 · Dec 22, 2013

Fencer said:
Ryan has beaten the Patriots numerous times in recent years, typically with inferior personnel. Nobody could be better for a one-year consultant/self-scouting kind of gig. The Don Capers analogy idea is excellent.

For bonus points, Ryan is the son of a famously creative NFL coach, and the twin brother of a successful Patriots assistant.

However, his style of dealing with players (and the media) is very different from BB's, so it's hard to imagine him fitting well into the normal Patriots coaching chain of command.

He is 4-7 vs the Patriots, nothing to get excited about.
His defense has been worse than the Patriots since he arrived in NJ, and everyone here trashes the Patriot defense, so why would bringing him here help?

PP2 · Dec 22, 2013

AndyJohnson said:
And he has failed at his job.

And so did Tannebaum & co. Ryan isn't the only one who screwed up.

AndyJohnson said:
I know you don't THINK you are making excuses for him, but that is exactly what you are doing. You are saying it isn't his fault he failed because of x,y,z and I am saying his job was to succeed with what he was given and not fail and call it OK because you blame someone else.

You ARE putting words in my mouth. Did I say it wasn't his fault? No. Again, for the 100th time, I am saying that to pin the failure of the franchise on the HC is silly. There were others complicit, such as Tannebaum for example. He is arguably one of the worse GM's in the game.

AndyJohnson said:
What?
From 1998-2010 they made the playoffs 7 times in 13 years, more than half the seasons. They had 10 winning seasons. That is competitive.
They have not had back to back non-winning seasons since 95-96, until the 3 in a row Ryan is leading them to.
Think about that from 1997-2010 they were .500 or worse only 3 times in 14 years, and now have been for 3 straight years.
You cannot blame having 3 straight non-winning season in a row in an organization that only had 3 in the past 14 on a dysfunctional organization.
They were better before him than they have been with him, and thats just a fact.

You said they've been competitive the last 15 years. In that period they are 137-119, and won the AFC east only ONCE. That is not competitive to me.

JoeSixPat · Dec 22, 2013

patsinthesnow said:
Rex managed to go .500 with Sanchez/Smith. The doofus deserves another HC opportunity with a team that has a competent QB/offensive coordinator.

Teams can do alot worse than Rex as their HC.

In my opinion, Wrecks Ryan killed a potentially promising Sanchez career.

He came out of college not quite ready for the NFL and seemed to me to have some confidence issue.

So of course, Wrecks puts him in as starter immediately, has his jersey number placed on a risque tattoo of his wife that he sports on his calf, and proceeds to "guarantee" that Sanchez will bring a Super Bowl trophy to NYC.

I'm not sure if Wrecks thought he was doing Sanchez a favor by publicly raising the bar that high, but I don't think Sanchez was anywhere near up to the pressure and his talent didn't match what Wrecks was guaranteeing.

After that failure, with Wrecks unable to fully crush Sanchez's confidence, Wrecks guarantees a Super Bowl victory gain the following season.

Seems to me, if Sanchez played for a coach who had a clue, he might have actually had a halfway decent career.

PATS16N0 · Dec 22, 2013

We don't need Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator. lol.

He's overrated. All he does is draft defense and he still gets blown out multiple times a season. When was the last time we were blown out?

sly24 · Dec 22, 2013

coolguy said:
Agree 100%. Rex would give the defense a new look .

The patriots could complete the set

Damn is that Kenny Powers?? hahaha

Tunescribe · Dec 22, 2013

I recently thought Wrecks would save his job with seven or eight wins, but now I kind of doubt it. He just doesn't know or care enough about offense in an increasingly offense-centric league.

JoeSixPat · Dec 22, 2013

Tunescribe said:
I recently thought Wrecks would save his job with seven or eight wins, but now I kind of doubt it. He just doesn't know or care enough about offense in an increasingly offense-centric league.

I was hopeful too - but it was just wishful thinking.

If he gets canned I think we as Patriots fans should do a chip in for a full page NY Post ad thanking Wrecks for his years of entertainment value to all of New England.

I'll contribute.

Fencer · Dec 22, 2013

AndyJohnson said:
He is 4-7 vs the Patriots, nothing to get excited about.

Who else has beaten the Pats 4 times?

Joker · Dec 22, 2013

Rayge Manifesto of

you guys just don't get it...of course Wrecks is staying green...the last few weeks have been a revelation and everything is looking UP UP UP!...herer's an excerpt from the Rayge Rayge19 Manifesto...I mean, I'm actually scared now...are we sure they are out of the playoffs???????

"MM and Lee have been IMO a revelation, despite our offensive stats, the talent this team has, the injuries they've had, a rookie QB, c'mon... It's not surprising that the offense has improved dramatically with a healthy Kerley back on the field, and an improving David Nelson, and even a partially healthy Holmes, all along with a maturing and developing and a more confident Geno. The play at WR has been much improved since Hill went down, Hill is simply still very raw, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but he's not ready to be a starter in this league.

MM and Lee have done a tremendous job in recent weeks, they've been able to get Smith past his struggles, and Smith appears to be making a jump, the offense has created a bit of an identity for itself, I think this is something Woody and Idzik need to look at when evaluating Rex and this staff. "

I'm not sure but I'd bet the Rats are gonna win their 45th straight September Super Bowl....in fact, no doubt now...

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