Man Bites Dog: Media (Including Breer) Gush Over BB's Presser Today

Mack Herron said:

Road trip!

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BB: "Guys, the lesson is this: Don't let the kids live. Ever."

RIP#40 said:

Yes, both weird AND dispespectful to your own Dad.

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But

"It was the third of september
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
'cause that was the day that my daddy died

Never had a chance to see him, no
Never heard nothing but bad things about him
Mama, I'm depending on you to tell me the truth
Mama just hung her head and said

[chorus]
"papa was a rollin' stone
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
And when he died
All he left us was alone"

ctpatsfan1 said:

I completely disagree, he is paid to run the ball and hold on to the ball not give it up to the other team. You pull Ozzie's stats, I pull Ben Jarvis Green Ellis, how many times did he fumble as a patriot?

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Whoaaaaaa.....????????????

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention: I didn't "pull Ozzie's stats". BELICHICK did!

BB made a pointed reference to the greatness of OZZIE NEWSOME'S holding onto the ball in his presser today. BJGE was not part of this discussion.

He was making a direct point about Newsome.

And to your point about "being paid to hold onto the ball" - - Newsome was paid to hold onto it also. The comparison of the touches to fumble ratios for each of their first 3 years is completely relevant. You bringing up BJGE is not. BJGE was not put on a pedestal by the guy who has Ridley in his doghouse. Newsome was.

Bill Belichick: 'Tis the Season! - YouTube

here he is with a big smile talking about Christmas. This is not our usual Bill

What has gotten into this man the past few hours??????????????????

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald

"Bill Belichick orchestrates team trip to see 'Lone Survivor'"

shmessy said:

What has gotten into this man the past few hours??????????????????

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald

"Bill Belichick orchestrates team trip to see 'Lone Survivor'"

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They may have had a REALLY good week of practice.

KontradictioN said:

They may have had a REALLY good week of practice.

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I think BB's behavior has an inverse relationship to the team's performance/attitude. If he senses they are burning out and over-stressed, as before SB 42, he takes the opposite tack and appears relaxed; if he senses they are doing well and pleased with themselves, he lays the wood. So, my guess is that he senses the players need to relax a bit and he is leading the charge.

KontradictioN said:

I don't have that backwards at all. There are a good amount of people on this forum that, whenever a questionable personnel move is made, sing IBBIT. That's a foolish perspective to take regardless, never mind that the man just admitted that he makes a lot of mistakes. It's okay to admit that the guy is human.

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No that isn't what it means at all. IBBIT is trusting the process and the overall judgement of a great coach. Its recognition that sometimes mistakes like busted draft picks are made and that doesn't mean he's losing it or that he can't draft. Nobody has ever said the man is infallible. That's pure hyperbole.

BSR said:

No that isn't what it means at all. IBBIT is trusting the process and the overall judgement of a great coach. Its recognition that sometimes mistakes like busted draft picks are made and that doesn't mean he's losing it or that he can't draft. Nobody has ever said the man is infallible. That's pure hyperbole.

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Sorry, but it's illogical and foolish to use that phrase as it applies to anybody (except if you believe in a given God, but I'm not going there). Each personnel move that a coach makes should be weighed on it's own accord, whether it's a veteran or a rookie after year three. And yes, we have quite a few posters on this forum that I've never seen find fault with anything the man has done. He admits himself that he makes more mistakes than most. Even using that as purely a jumping off point, IBBIT is foolish. It's also how coaches stick around way after their shelf life. I saw that personally growing up in South Florida with Dolphins fans and Shula.

KontradictioN said:

Sorry, but it's illogical and foolish to use that phrase as it applies to anybody (except if you believe in a given God, but I'm not going there). Each personnel move that a coach makes should be weighed on it's own accord, whether it's a veteran or a rookie after year three. And yes, we have quite a few posters on this forum that I've never seen find fault with anything the man has done. He admits himself that he makes more mistakes than most. Even using that as purely a jumping off point, IBBIT is foolish. It's also how coaches stick around way after their shelf life. I saw that personally growing up in South Florida with Dolphins fans and Shula.

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The saying didn't come about because anyone thought he was infallible or god like. It came about, because he was constantly and consistently second guessed by everyone around these parts. Most thought his draft picks, free agent signings, and personnel maneuvers were flat out wrong to the point where they were outright mocked by media members. Eventually people realized that these seemingly unconventional methods actually worked. It happened often enough that the true foolishness was to question a process that produced championship level results, even if you truly couldn't understand it.

As far as I am concerned the process continues to produce and at a very high level so I will continue to support what Belichick believes to be the right decisions. For some reason you don't trust the man to make the football decisions for this team. Sorry, but that is what I would call foolish.

BSR said:

The saying didn't come about because anyone thought he was infallible or god like. It came about, because he was constantly and consistently second guessed by everyone around these parts.

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I didn't say people thought he was infallible. As for the second sentence, that comes with the territory of being a coach. Sometimes they're right, other times they're wrong.

Most thought his draft picks, free agent signings, and personnel maneuvers were flat out wrong to the point where they were outright mocked by media members. Eventually people realized that these seemingly unconventional methods actually worked. It happened often enough that the true foolishness was to question a process that produced championship level results, even if you truly couldn't understand it.

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Some of them worked. Seymour, Mankins, Vollmer, etc. Some of them didn't. Chung, Maroney, Tavon to date, etc. Again, each move should be weighed on it's own merits. Some of the moves he made did produce championship level results. Some of the misses he had arguably took away championships. Just another reason why IBBIT is faulty logic.

As far as I am concerned the process continues to produce and at a very high level so I will continue to support what Belichick believes to be the right decisions. For some reason you don't trust the man to make the football decisions for this team. Sorry, but that is what I would call foolish.

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Ah, there's that red herring that I've come to expect from you. I trust Belichick more than anybody to make decisions for this team. Further, if you truly believe that, then you're more than welcome to quote where I said it. Good luck with that. But just because I trust him more than anyone else to make decisions doesn't mean I won't weigh each move on it's own merits rather than just shouting to the rooftops "IBBIT!". I could also provide examples, if needed.

Anyway, I'm out for tonight. I'll let you have last word.

crew1954 said:

But

"It was the third of september
That day I'll always remember, yes I will
'cause that was the day that my daddy died

Never had a chance to see him, no
Never heard nothing but bad things about him
Mama, I'm depending on you to tell me the truth
Mama just hung her head and said

[chorus]
"papa was a rollin' stone
Wherever he laid his hat was his home
And when he died
All he left us was alone"

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I happen to have the sheet music for that. Sadly, I have to admit I was around when it was first released. Always liked it, though.

shmessy said:

What has gotten into this man the past few hours??????????????????

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald

"Bill Belichick orchestrates team trip to see 'Lone Survivor'"

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BTW, it's worth noting that apparently Belichick has some pull, as that film isn't scheduled for even limited release until Christmas Day.

ctpatsfan77 said:

BTW, it's worth noting that apparently Belichick has some pull, as that film isn't scheduled for even limited release until Christmas Day.

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well..its Mark Wahlberg..who has been seen in pats locker rooms in the past so..

shmessy said:

Heads up:

It's not up on the net yet, but today's BB presser is getting a waterfall of rave reviews from the media for some reason.

Evidently he must have taken some pills and became effusive. Some are saying that it almost was like a pep talk to the team and that THEY wanted to now go out and play in the game. I'm calling the FBI, because I think Putin got a body-double in there and Belichick is really in Siberia this morning.

Will be interesting to see.

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The zombie apocalypse must be at hand

Tom Curran basically made his career off asking questions that got good answers on Fridays. That's why, when he was at the Projo, he was the most insightful Patriots reporter around.

KontradictioN said:

I didn't say people thought he was infallible. As for the second sentence, that comes with the territory of being a coach. Sometimes they're right, other times they're wrong.



Some of them worked. Seymour, Mankins, Vollmer, etc. Some of them didn't. Chung, Maroney, Tavon to date, etc. Again, each move should be weighed on it's own merits. Some of the moves he made did produce championship level results. Some of the misses he had arguably took away championships. Just another reason why IBBIT is faulty logic.



Ah, there's that red herring that I've come to expect from you. I trust Belichick more than anybody to make decisions for this team. Further, if you truly believe that, then you're more than welcome to quote where I said it. Good luck with that. But just because I trust him more than anyone else to make decisions doesn't mean I won't weigh each move on it's own merits rather than just shouting to the rooftops "IBBIT!". I could also provide examples, if needed.

Anyway, I'm out for tonight. I'll let you have last word.

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So you spend several posts outlining why it silly to say "In Bill Belichick I Trust" and then comment how you would trust him more than anyone to make decisions. :bricks: Its not some red herring, its the actual meaning of the phrase. You either trust the man or you don't. The only red herring is the one you put about people thinking he never makes mistakes. Everyone knows he makes mistakes its just a matter of realizing that is not necessary to be overly critical about ever single mistake because of the overall package.

BSR said:

So you spend several posts outlining why it silly to say "In Bill Belichick I Trust" and then comment how you would trust him more than anyone to make decisions. :bricks: Its not some red herring, its the actual meaning of the phrase. You either trust the man or you don't. The only red herring is the one you put about people thinking he never makes mistakes. Everyone knows he makes mistakes its just a matter of realizing that is not necessary to be overly critical about ever single mistake because of the overall package.

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For one, trusting in him to make the right decisions but still being able to weigh each decision on it's own merits isn't the same as blanketing that trust over all decisions made, even in the face of a decision that is overwhelmingly bad. Without trying to take this thread down that road, we still to this day have some people that are backing him on drafting Tavon Wilson that early, even though it's proven to be a bad decision. That's the last I'll comment on that move, too, since (again) I don't want to de-rail the discussion. For another, very few people are overly critical of mistakes. It's when pointing out a mistake is met with such blowback does it look overly critical. For a third, it's obvious that you don't understand what a red herring is.

shmessy said:

What has gotten into this man the past few hours??????????????????

The Blitz with Jeff Howe & Karen Guregian | Boston Herald

"Bill Belichick orchestrates team trip to see 'Lone Survivor'"

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Did anybody get injured?

Interesting stuff about his relationships with other coaches and how it changes when they become competitors.