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Brady is the greatest because he is incredibly intelligent and so patient in the pocket that he's so tough to stop.

Manning is incredible in his own right, quick release (he never gets sacked), great line adjustments. If you take out Brady, Manning wins 3 or 4 SBs, unfortunately for him Brady is there. If Montana played for the Colts, he would only have 1 SB because Brady is there.

Your underevaluation of Montana, combined with a significant overrating of Manning (compared to where I'd slot them), is interesting. When did you start following football? I'm curious as to how that may have colored your perception.
 
Brady is the greatest because he is incredibly intelligent and so patient in the pocket that he's so tough to stop.

Manning is incredible in his own right, quick release (he never gets sacked), great line adjustments. If you take out Brady, Manning wins 3 or 4 SBs, unfortunately for him Brady is there. If Montana played for the Colts, he would only have 1 SB because Brady is there.

These 3 players have gone out on the football field and played. They have a body of work to judge them on. To arbitrarily take away Montanas SB wins, and hand them to Manning, when Montana earned them and Manning did not, is disingenuous.

By the way, you do realize that Montana won his rings in the midst of the Giants, Redskins, Bears and Cowboys being dominant teams, right?
To say Montana didn't earn them because Tom Brady wasn't playing is silly.

Manning had 11 years to win SBs that Tom Brady didn't and got 1.

I am guessing you never saw Joe Montana play.
 
Your underevaluation of Montana, combined with a significant overrating of Manning (compared to where I'd slot them), is interesting. When did you start following football? I'm curious as to how that may have colored your perception.

I go Brady, Manning then Montana (he's still high on the list). I've watching Montana play a ton, I think Brady and Manning are better. It's subjective, I can understand people have Montana at 1 and that's fine too
 
I go Brady, Manning then Montana (he's still high on the list). I've watching Montana play a ton, I think Brady and Manning are better. It's subjective, I can understand people have Montana at 1 and that's fine too

Montana was 16-7 in the post season, with 4 SB titles. Manning is 10-11 with 1.
 
I go Brady, Manning then Montana (he's still high on the list). I've watching Montana play a ton, I think Brady and Manning are better. It's subjective, I can understand people have Montana at 1 and that's fine too

But Manning is Dan Marino with a lucky break (Illness, bad calls) in the 2006 AFCCG, while Brady is Montana with a stronger arm but no scrambling ability, which is why I found your ratings interesting.

Is Manning really better than Staubach, Young or Unitas? I have a hard time buying into the notion that he is. For example, statistically, taking into account the differences in eras, Young is his superior, despite his shortened career as a starter.
 
Is Manning really better than Staubach, Young or Unitas? I have a hard time buying into the notion that he is. For example, statistically, taking into account the differences in eras, Young is his superior, despite his shortened career as a starter.

Is Manning even better than Dan Fouts? I don't think so...at least mentally, Fouts didn't cry like a baby and blame everyone else.
 
I go Brady, Manning then Montana (he's still high on the list). I've watching Montana play a ton, I think Brady and Manning are better. It's subjective, I can understand people have Montana at 1 and that's fine too

it's not even close....

Sounds like you have been over at the broncos forum lately saying manning is better then montana
 
Is Manning even better than Dan Fouts? I don't think so...at least mentally, Fouts didn't cry like a baby and blame everyone else.

Fouts is the precursor to Marino/Manning, but he's also their inferior, IMO. Even with all the offensive talent around him, he only made the playoffs 4 times in his NFL career, and his TD/INT ratio is second rate. Manning's a choking dog, but he gets you to the big party before he gags on the bone.
 
Has anyone else read this crap? My opinion of Rodney Harrison has completely changed. He is either has something against Brady or is just a complete moron. I have absolutely no problem if someone thinks Mannng is better then Brady. Everyone if entitled to one and hey, Manning is a great QB. But look at what Harrison has to say about it.


"I think Peyton has been so unfairly judged," Harrison explained, "because he didn't really have that great defense over the years like Tom. Tom had a lot of veteran players, a lot of really good defenses where if he didn't play particularly well, he knew that he had a defense with a lot of veteran players that could save him, whereas Peyton really didn't have that advantage. If Peyton was on our team, I think we could have easily won three Super Bowls, no doubt about it."

Manning went to the playoffs 10 times with the Colts. In 5 of those he had a defense ranked in the top 8 overall for that particular season, including a 2nd and 1st overall. So 50% of the time Manning had a good to great defense.

And look at Mannings lone SB victory. We all know how he played. 3 tds, 7 ints and a 70 rating. And then look at how the Colts defense played in those playoffs. 12.75 ppg and 12 takeaways. Does Manning win a SB if his defense does not play that good?

And maybe Rodney forgets about 2003. Maybe Rodney can explain to us how HE (and the other veterens defensive players) "saved" him when they let up 19 4th qtr points to Jake Delhomne and the Panthers in SB 38. It was more like Brady saved his defense by leading the offense to 18 4th qtr points.

I think that's Rodney's was of saying, Brady is great, but we had some great players on defense.
 
Manning: top 9-15 QB of all time

Brady: Top 1-5 QB of all time



They're two greats, but they don't really even belong being compared. Brady's up with Montana/Starr/Baugh/Graham. Manning's about two full steps down on the laddder, in a group with guys like Marino/Bradshaw/Elway/Favre.

There is literally nobody outside of Patriots fans who would agree with this. Nobody. 9 to 15? Lmao.
 
And yes, Montana is comfortably ahead of Manning, and even Brady. To me, Brady's legacy will always be a little different, given how he won those superbowls. He was twice the player during his peak than he was during the Super Bowl runs. 2006-2010 Brady blows 2001-2005 Brady out of the water.
 
Also tweet him and ask why he couldn't out muscle a jag WR for a ball that was pinned to his helmet.

Funny, that's how people are gonna remember RH by, but he made A LOT of key plays for us in the playoffs. I always felt Rodney was the most underrated Pats player in the dynasty years. When the games got big he played bigger. And if we really look back at it, he was the one that always came away with that crucial int...

03 Afc divisional playoff game picked off McNair
03 AFC championship picks of Manning opening drive in the end zone
04 AFC divisional game picks off Manning in the endzone again (although this one was a garbage time one)
04 AFC championship pick 6 of Roethlisburger to seal the game
SB39. Picks off McNabb twice

Those are just Int's. Looking back at it. Rodney was just as clutch as Brady and Vinateri was.
 
There is literally nobody outside of Patriots fans who would agree with this. Nobody. 9 to 15? Lmao.

Given that I've had this discussion with numerous non-Patriots fans, I'll just state that I know, for a fact, that you are incorrect, and I'll leave it at that, except for one thing:


I will point out that Jason Whitlock, who's obviously not a Patriots fan, has Brady only at #6 and has Elway at #1, and worked the midwest for years, has Manning at #8. I could point to other non-Patriots fans who actually have him at #9 or lower, but Whitlock's a fairly big name and #8 is close enough to back up my point about #9-#15.
 
is there a good site that would show the salary/cap salary of each player and/or position on a team for multiple years?

i would have thought this would have been easy to find, but it wasn't (for me). I did find one site, but it didn't have offensive linemen for some reason.

Reason is, I'd like to compare how much each team spent on offense/defense. I'm assuming (pre 2009) that we spent less on offense compared to the colts. Thus, if the colts paid the offense 10% more than say the pats, wouldn't we expect them to be that much better?
 
The debate is BRADY and Montana and not what's his name

If you needed anymore proof, look at tonight.

TB 12 - 34/50, 344 yds, 3 TD
The other dude - 19/36, 150 yds, 1 INT, 2 TD

When it COUNTS the MOST Tom is Mr. Clutch

To all those fans who quit in the first half, shame on you. You should no after lord knows how many comebacks that with Tom and Bill we are NEVER OUT OF A GAME.
 
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Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
 
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Amazing night. Regular season games dont get better.

I hope we all appreciate what we've enjoyed watching this QB and his battles.
Stuff of LEGEND!

Erect the statue now, **** it!
 
The debate is BRADY and Montana and not what's his name

Brady wins the SB this year, and Montana is second to Tom forever.
 
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this win also reduces manning's chances of beating brady's record.
 
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