How do we feel when Peyton throws 51 TDs?

contrary to many on this board . . . I do care about the records . . . not sure how you cant if you a fan of a player . . . its not an either or . . . SB wins or records . . . it is an "and" . . . and you can have both . . . I really don't worry too much about how many 300 yards games one has under a full moon (NFL seems to have 1000s of different type of records) . . .but there are some records that I do value, passing yards in a season, TDs in a seasons, career yards/TD and a few of the streaks: passes without a INT, consecutive games with TDs . . . and in these Brady is high on the list in most of these . . .


If Peyton tops 50, then I will tip my cap to the man, but it could be nice if he did not break it . . . also, I will look to see how many rushing TDs Denver will end up with . . . for my the overall TDs are just as important . . . unlike 1984 and 2007 where both teams has the yearly quota of rushing TDs, 2004, 2009, 2011 the teams have very few rushing TDs and as such, this, in my book, needs to be taken into consideration regarding the overall year . . .

As has been mentioned, with the way the rules and officiating are skewing towards offense this record is going to fall eventually. But I just don't think he's getting there. By injury, by schedule pairing matching up with him struggling because he's old and it's late in the year, by weather, by all of the above...he'll end up somewhere around 45-48 I'll guess.

If he's banged up in week 16 and 17 and they're either locked into the division lead or the opposite (KC has clinched division but Denver is a lock for playoffs as WC whether they win or lose), do you really think he's playing? They're going to let him start and then turtle him like Dungy used to in Indy, and he's going to go out and say "we decided my health was more important than a record" and he'll get a * from the media for that too. That might be worse, actually, to have the assumption be that he would've most certainly broken the record except that he didn't choose to...for the good of the team.

And then they'll lose in the playoffs and we can all move on.

I'm sure a number of people have said it but the record will be broken eventually with the way the game and rules are changing. I don't mind it being Peyton Manning. Rival he may be but I have a great deal of respect for him, as all of us should IMO.

Yehoodi said:

contrary to many on this board . . . I do care about the records . . . not sure how you cant if you a fan of a player . . . its not an either or . . . SB wins or records . . . it is an "and" . . . and you can have both . . . I really don't worry too much about how many 300 yards games one has under a full moon (NFL seems to have 1000s of different type of records) . . .but there are some records that I do value, passing yards in a season, TDs in a seasons, career yards/TD and a few of the streaks: passes without a INT, consecutive games with TDs . . . and in these Brady is high on the list in most of these . . .


If Peyton tops 50, then I will tip my cap to the man, but it could be nice if he did not break it . . . also, I will look to see how many rushing TDs Denver will end up with . . . for my the overall TDs are just as important . . . unlike 1984 and 2007 where both teams has the yearly quota of rushing TDs, 2004, 2009, 2011 the teams have very few rushing TDs and as such, this, in my book, needs to be taken into consideration regarding the overall year . . .

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Ten years from now, no one will give a hoot about or even be looking at "overall TDs" or "the yearly quota of rushing TDs" (whatever that is, unless you mean "average rushing TD's over an x year period"). The only number they will remember will be "50 whatever" TD passes if Peyton tosses them.

Question for you. Pick one or the other, even though we both acknowledge that we would prefer "both."

If you had to choose between Tom Brady with 48 TD passes in the 2007 Regular Season (i.e., one less than Peyton's old 2004 record) but with a fourth Lombardi or Tom Brady with 50 TD passes in 2007 but with, as it turned out, no Lombardi, which would you choose?

I'd take the trophy without the record any day of the week...and I suspect that TB would as well...and that Peyton would take 49 and the bling this year if he had to choose as well.

I don't think the original question had anything to do with "would you prefer the TD record or another Super Bowl ring?" It was just talking about the record.

Obviously everyone here would prefer the fourth ring for Brady, any day, over the TD record. We all know he would too. But considering how intensely this board promotes Brady over Manning in "who's better/GOAT" threads, all the "couldn't care less" posturing strikes me as disingenuous.

Winning titles is awesome; it's THE BEST. The ULTIMATE. But for fans not to also appreciate the game and its history and take pride in the local team's player holding a prominent record (and please ... enough comparisons to the 50-game TD streak) -- strikes me as odd. I don't know -- maybe it's because I've been following the team since the '70s and I know how special ALL of the winning this era has been.

I don't know how "we" will feel. I will feel the same as when he throws any TD pass, like a zombie.

PATSNUTme said:

I don't know how "we" will feel. I will feel the same as when he throws any TD pass, like a zombie.

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Oh man you must get excited when he takes his helmet off walking to the sidelines, that forehead is a score for a zombie

Manning needs 18 TD passes in 7 games. The opponents are KC (twice) New England, Tennessee, San Diego, Houston and Oakland. Four games on the road, three at home.

Bad ankles. Mediocre offensive line. Great pass receivers. If the Broncos clinch home field before the Raiders game, he'll sit.

I think he doesn't get the record.

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this place is slippin'...that handle should have been taken, at the worst, the beginning of last season...I'm jealous...amybe I'll go with "Gronker" as a pseudo pseudonym....

Uncle Rico said:

I don't think the original question had anything to do with "would you prefer the TD record or another Super Bowl ring?" It was just talking about the record.

Obviously everyone here would prefer the fourth ring for Brady, any day, over the TD record. We all know he would too. But considering how intensely this board promotes Brady over Manning in "who's better/GOAT" threads, all the "couldn't care less" posturing strikes me as disingenuous.

Winning titles is awesome; it's THE BEST. The ULTIMATE. But for fans not to also appreciate the game and its history and take pride in the local team's player holding a prominent record (and please ... enough comparisons to the 50-game TD streak) -- strikes me as odd. I don't know -- maybe it's because I've been following the team since the '70s and I know how special ALL of the winning this era has been.

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I'd say all of us certainly would rather see Brady have this record than not.

But 2007 showed that the greatest stats really mean squat and the ring is what it's all about. The 2007 Pats aren't remembered for their gaudy stats, record breaking offense and record breaking QB, they're just remembered for failure when it mattered most. It's all about perception.

The passing TD record does not settle any debate about who's better/GOAT. If Manning takes the record it still won't. If Brady can take this team to the championship and he wins his 4th ring, it probably will. A 5th ring definitely will. No QB has ever won 5 rings, and there's a decent chance no QB ever will. Now that would be a record worth touting....

I'm not worried about it because noodle arm Manning is not going to reach it as the weather grows colder and the wear and tear of the season increases. Two games against KC's defense sure isn't going to help either.

In fact, I doubt he is even going to finish the season. He is already breaking down.

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Gronk was surprised too

As Coach Belichick says, the only stat that matters is winning. Having one more point on the board than your opponent.

Wins are all that matters, and wins are quantified by Championships. In the end, the number of rings/championships is the only stat that anyone will really be talking about.

As much as I love football, and I do, it isn't baseball, where stats mean something. In football, statistics are one of the three great lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. They can be jiggered and fudged and and put through so many perturbations that, given a good database, you can create statistics out of whole cloth. You hear it every frikkin' game!

"He's the first player in NFL history to catch 4 punts of 40 yards or more in a single game played on a Sunday evening after 6PM with the weather at or below 57 degrees, Ed! What a great stat for that young man!"

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So yeah, Championships are the gold standard, and rings represent championships. Everything else is fodder for reporters needing to pad their commentary, and guys at bars needing conversation points.

That's my opinion, and your mileage may vary, and that's your right.

But I'll take the rings any day of the week.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Ten years from now, no one will give a hoot about or even be looking at "overall TDs" or "the yearly quota of rushing TDs" (whatever that is, unless you mean "average rushing TD's over an x year period"). The only number they will remember will be "50 whatever" TD passes if Peyton tosses them.

Question for you. Pick one or the other, even though we both acknowledge that we would prefer "both."

If you had to choose between Tom Brady with 48 TD passes in the 2007 Regular Season (i.e., one less than Peyton's old 2004 record) but with a fourth Lombardi or Tom Brady with 50 TD passes in 2007 but with, as it turned out, no Lombardi, which would you choose?

I'd take the trophy without the record any day of the week...and I suspect that TB would as well...and that Peyton would take 49 and the bling this year if he had to choose as well.

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I would take the Lombardi, hands down . . . now I have a question for you . . . is there something that I missed in Football 101 class that says we have to choose one or the other? . . .

in my book, and you can correct me if I am wrong, the only regular season record that has an impact on a teams ability to win a SB is the 16-0 record, which we all saw the colts back away from . .. and am proud that we gave it a shot . . . with the possible exception of winning the MVP trophy, I can't think of another regular season record or accomplishment that will adversely affect a teams ability to freely win a super bowl, and thus require a choice by a fan base . . . for the life of me I can not in no way figured what all this either or is all about and "he can have it, I'll take the Lombardi" - like you cant win the later if you chose the former or something . . .

Sorry but it will disappointing if he breaks the record . . . I don't care about how many 300 yard games he has, but the records I mentioned I find important and as the same time have zero effect on a SB result . . .

I would argue that people will still be concerned about TDs in a year 10 years from now . . . records are records and they will always be viewed in the time period they were made . . .

my point about the rushing TDs, I can be more specific, it is part of an argument I used against the colts fans about given a back drop to the entire season from an offensive TD standpoint . . . when one really boils it down, via luck (a WR breaking it for a TD) or by play calling (play action pass on first and goal from the one), some of a QBs TDs are TDs not by his skill but by luck or opportunity to throw more passes as opposed to spreading the wealth to a RB . . .

for the most part a good team will average 18 or so rushing TDs in a season . . . when one looks at Marino's 1984 and Brady's 2007 seasons one sees that the team still had the same about of rushing TDs around 18ish (I forget the exacts numbers) and so the additional passing TDs were not taken if you will from the rushing TDs . .. when one looks at 2004 (Manning), 2009 (Brees) & 2010 (Brees/Rogers), you will see that the rushing TDs were lower than normal around 10ish . . . drop off of about 8 or so . . . part of this was luck, some skill (finding a WR in the endzone so do not need a run play) and some of it was play calling . . . so when one is trying to split hairs between 48, 49, 50, didn't play in the last game and so on . . . I look at the overall TDs and say that 48-18 and 50-18 is much better than 49-10 (passing/rushing TDs) . . .

and by extension if the broncos get 51 passing TDs and say 12 rushing TDs I will take 50-18 over 51-12 . . . is my point . . . 51 is the record, but 50-18 is a better season for my standpoint

At least Manning will never win 17 playoff games.

pheenix11 said:

I'm not worried about it because noodle arm Manning is not going to reach it as the weather grows colder and the wear and tear of the season increases. Two games against KC's defense sure isn't going to help either.

In fact, I doubt he is even going to finish the season. He is already breaking down.

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I'm all for deprecating nicknames for Peyton but did you really just call him a noodle arm? LOL

libra957 said:

At least Manning will never win 17 playoff games.

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And certainly not 20

You can take solace in knowing that Mr. October is going to do what he always does in January - not finish.

SteelersCanada said:

You can take solace in knowing that Mr. October is going to do what he always does in January - not finish.

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I know....... I'm surprised that, with his inability to finish, he actually has kids.

I will feel much better if there's more of this: