Would you call Andrew luck a System QB now that Stanford is winning without him?

Deus Irae said:

It doesn't mean that a QB is a bad QB. It means that the limitations a QB has requires him to play in a certain style.


Jeff Garcia is a pretty good example of a guy who was a system QB in the NFL, and was able to thrive in that system.

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Also, that kind of comment is made exclusively for the purpose of denigrating that QB.

Stanford has a better defense than they did with Andrew Luck.

the colts have a average defense at best no running game and T.Y. Hilton is his #1 WR and yet the colts are 6-2 and he has a 91.5 passer rating,

I think peyton manning is one of the best QB's to ever play the game but I cant remember him doing that with such less talent around him

Snake Eyes said:

Also, that kind of comment is made exclusively for the purpose of denigrating that QB.

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No, it's not. Jeff Garcia was a system QB. He was also pretty darned good in that system. Lots of good, and great, QBs are/have been system QBs. Hell, Joe Montana might well have been a system QB, because of his relatively weak arm, and he's considered by many to be the greatest QB to ever play the game.

Deus Irae said:

No, it's not. Jeff Garcia was a system QB. He was also pretty darned good in that system. Lots of good, and great, QBs are/have been system QBs. Hell, Joe Montana might well have been a system QB, because of his relatively weak arm, and he's considered by many to be the greatest QB to ever play the game.

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Every successful QB is a system QB, it's a pointless statement. There were plenty of talented guys we never hear about because they didnt have a good system around them.

The people making those comments, especially about Brady, are doing so to tear him down, as opposed to you, who are doing it simply to argue.

Snake Eyes said:

Every successful QB is a system QB, it's a pointless statement. There were plenty of talented guys we never hear about because they didnt have a good system around them.

The people making those comments, especially about Brady, are doing so to tear him down, as opposed to you, who are doing it simply to argue.

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Not every successful QB is a system QB. However, I find it interesting that you made a post, I pointed out an issue with it in my response, you backtracked, and now you're going ad hominem.

Look, it is what it is. Some players have limitations which mean that they are suited for one particular scheme rather than being more widely applicable. It doesn't mean that they aren't good/great players.

Deus Irae said:

Not every successful QB is a system QB. However, I find it interesting that you made a post, I pointed out an issue with it in my response, you backtracked, and now you're going ad hominem.

Look, it is what it is. Some players have limitations which mean that they are suited for one particular scheme rather than being more widely applicable. It doesn't mean that they aren't good/great players.

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Ok, exactly what system do Brady and Luck run?

What are the specific attributes of those systems that allow the QBs to be successful where they otherwise wouldn’t be?

How are those systems different from other systems being run?

The Pats won 11 games with Cassel because they were a team coming off an historic 18-1 season with 80% of that dominant roster still intact...lets not pretend that Cassel was anything more than just a game manager in 2008 who just simply kept mistakes to a minimum.

There are a lot of decent QBs that probably would have come in and did a good job as well...Cassel was loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and that made his job easier.

thenepatsrule said:

No. Am i right? I hope the people (Colts fans especially) who keep saying that Brady is a system QB because the Pats won 11 games with Cassell understand this.

Stanford has been a top 10 NCAA team without Luck for the past two years, Will the Colts fans now say that their QB Luck is just a system QB? Inst he playing well for the Colts too? Similarly Brady on a good team(other than the Pats) would be winning a lot of games.

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I haven't read the whole thread, because the original post is just so silly. Apologies if this has been covered.

This is one of the most absurd Brady-centric misguided arguments I have ever heard. You can't compare college and pro. In college, people like Luck and Robert Griffin the third can literally make a program- they change the people who want to go there.
Stanford's 21st record before Luck played
2000 5-6
2001 9-3
2002 2-9
2003 4-7
2004 4-7
2005 5-6
2006 1-11
2007 4-8 (Harbaugh era)
2008 5-7
Andrew Luck starts in 2009
2009 8-5
2010 12-1 most wins ever in a season at Stanford, later tied in 2012
2011 11-2 second most wins ever in a season at Stanford

Luck proved in the 21st century, you can go to Stanford, get a great education, wins a bunch of games, be in the running for Heisman trophies. They now have better players there because of him.

Snake Eyes said:

Ok, exactly what system do Brady and Luck run?

What are the specific attributes of those systems that allow the QBs to be successful where they otherwise wouldn’t be?

How are those systems different from other systems being run?

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If you don't know about the systems teams run, and at least some of the variances, why the hell are you commenting on this? Do you not realize that the Bill Walsh WCO is significantly different from an offense built around the deep pass, for example? Do you not know that, like defenses, offensive systems vary? Do you not realize that Drew Bledsoe struggled in the Patriots system under BB/Weis, but he was still good enough in a different system to make the Pro Bowl for Buffalo after he was traded?

Also, where did I call either Brady or Luck a QB who needed to be in the system they're currently in to be successful?

thenepatsrule said:

No. Am i right? I hope the people (Colts fans especially) who keep saying that Brady is a system QB because the Pats won 11 games with Cassell understand this.

Stanford has been a top 10 NCAA team without Luck for the past two years, Will the Colts fans now say that their QB Luck is just a system QB? Inst he playing well for the Colts too? Similarly Brady on a good team(other than the Pats) would be winning a lot of games.

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Andrew Luck, the best QB prospect to enter the NFL in my lifetime? NO!

Luck is playing under Pep Hamilton who is likely the worst OC in the NFL currently and he is leading the 8th ranked offense in the NFL, in 1 ½ season Luck has a 17 and 7 record. Luck is the system.

Deus Irae said:

No, it's not. Jeff Garcia was a system QB. He was also pretty darned good in that system. Lots of good, and great, QBs are/have been system QBs. Hell, Joe Montana might well have been a system QB, because of his relatively weak arm, and he's considered by many to be the greatest QB to ever play the game.

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Good coaches put their most important asset in a system that allows them to succeed. I have no idea why some people see that as problematic.