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Thanks for the anaylysis and hope you are right but the final score ? - Dont know if you have watched our offense this yr :). Its going to come down to the final mins IMO. And if pitt takes a lead like miami did vs us , I dont think they let up like miami did.They have a better QB and a better defense.

My logic on the final score prediction is basically this: if Pitt can't run, they become one-dimensional on the road behind a woeful pass-blocking unit. BB is smart enough to load up against the run to make things more difficult, and Pitt has some health issues up front.

It's not so much that I think the Pats are playing at 2007 levels on offense (obviously they've struggled relative to their normal offensive standard), as it is how I see the game unfolding if the Steelers' run game doesn't work. Every game this year that's become one-dimensional has turned into a sack and turnover fest. Basically we can't afford to fall behind because we can't reliably throw regularly. We might gain yards in chunks (Ben did throw for a bunch of yards early on), but ultimately the protection breaks down and a huge negative play occurs.

As I said before though, if the OL holds up, it's not a bad group of skill position players, and in that case then yes I could see it being very close.
 
Do you see the Steelers throwing a gameplan out there like they did in 2011 where they played mostly press and sent four guys after Brady most of the time? Either way, I think the Pats would be better prepared for that now, but I'm just wondering.

If the Pats spread it out, then I think yes, Pitt would play press coverage. They'd arguably have two options for Gronk, Cortez Allen (a bigger corner) or Shamarko Thomas. Woodley had great success getting after Brady in that game, and I expect similar results if NE doesn't help out at RT with a TE or RB (which I actually expect BB to do).

What's interesting is that the Pats have changed so much in their personnel. Welker was such a matchup nightmare--he was basically unguardable underneath--so I wonder what the Steelers would change if they feel that Amendola doesn't present the same level of problems. I think Lebeau actually prefers his sub packages, particularly when he gets 6 DBs on the field (the base CBs and safeties plus Thomas and Cortez Allen/William Gay), so in a way I think they'd prefer that the Pats go spread.

I think this may be a moot discussion though. As sharp as BB and the NE coaching staff are, I have a hard time believing that they wouldn't game plan to run straight at the middle of Pitt's D. I think they'll have success doing that, and will be in a more traditional offensive look rather than a spread look for the most part.
 
Don't forget about the Halloween effect...2004 and 2011...

Haha, great point!

That 2004 game is one of my favorites. Much better than the game at the *end * of that year lol
 
You left out a couple of key, very crucial things.

DeCastro vs. perhaps Tommy Kelly, or a second string DE is a match-up I'll take all day long, especially how he's been playing as of late. Also, Velasco seems to have built chemistry with him in the interior of the line. That could be huge. LT is just bad, you're right. Beachum is improving however.

The most key part you left out, however, was Le'Veon Bell vs. a depleted Patriots DLine. This guy is primed for a big game (assuming Todd locates his head from his ass) and this could be it. If the Dolphins could run at will against the Patriots, Le'Veon should have no problem doing it. Our offense works best off of play action as well. That could be the difference.


A few weeks ago i would have agreed with you about the Patriots depleted DL, but now I feel like they have pretty much addressed it and it will be better going forward. i think anyone going against DeCastro is going to have a long day but with any luck it will be Sopoaga who draws that assignment and his size helps nullify Decastro. After that it is going to be a really long day for the Pittsburgh OL, and there is a good chance that DeCastro is going to have to devote a considerable portion of his time to helping his C and OT contain the Patriot pass rush. Chris Jones has been effective getting after the QB and Spikes can be nasty coming up the middle. Both Chandler jones and rob Ninkovich have to be looking forward to the match up although they are going to have to stay in contain mode with Roethlisberger's abilities once he gets outside. As they have all year I expect the Patriots to focus on stopping the run and keeping the QB inside the pocket, hoping it will force bad throws and turnovers. when they succeed at this they are really tough to beat defensively, when they don't they falter badly, we'll see?
 
This is one of the reasons I feel like they should allow Talib to sit for another week, which would give him five weeks to recover from the hip flexor. A. brown is a burner, and although Talib has good speed the burners are not his best match-up, the more physical receivers are. Let him rest, use Dennard and Ryan on Brown and Arrington on Sanders.

How has the NE pass defense been this year? I know this has been a rough spot the past couple of years, but it seems that with Talib and Dennard you guys have improved considerably...

I think the Steelers WRs have the ability to get loose in most secondaries (Brown, more than being fast--which he is--is lightning quick and typically can get good separation). The shame of it is that I think Haley is understandably reluctant to make calls for deeper throws due to the OL.
 
How has the NE pass defense been this year? I know this has been a rough spot the past couple of years, but it seems that with Talib and Dennard you guys have improved considerably...

I think the Steelers WRs have the ability to get loose in most secondaries (Brown, more than being fast--which he is--is lightning quick and typically can get good separation). The shame of it is that I think Haley is understandably reluctant to make calls for deeper throws due to the OL.


When they were healthy they were really good, but given the injuries they have been erratic at times. The pass rush has improved and this year's secondary has been really solid. McCourty has been outstanding and gregory has had his best year in NE. Dennard has also been really good, Talib excellent when he's on the field, and Ryan and Arrington are both having good seasons. They do have problems underneath because the LB's struggle in coverage and losing Mayo only made that worse. If Miller is healthy he could have sa good day, but if Talib is back they are going to be deep enough to cover all of the Steeler's threats.

I always consider the Steelers dangerous and this year's Patriots team isn't dominant by any stretch of the imagination, so i expect a tough game, but overall i like the match-ups for the patriots.
 
When they were healthy they were really good, but given the injuries they have been erratic at times. The pass rush has improved and this year's secondary has been really solid. McCourty has been outstanding and gregory has had his best year in NE. Dennard has also been really good, Talib excellent when he's on the field, and Ryan and Arrington are both having good seasons. They do have problems underneath because the LB's struggle in coverage and losing Mayo only made that worse. If Miller is healthy he could have sa good day, but if Talib is back they are going to be deep enough to cover all of the Steeler's threats.

I always consider the Steelers dangerous and this year's Patriots team isn't dominant by any stretch of the imagination, so i expect a tough game, but overall i like the match-ups for the patriots.

Yeah I've heard great things about McCourty's play--glad to see he's got his career back on track at the safety position.

Funny you mention Miller...one of the more depressing things about this season--one that just makes you say "this clearly just isn't our year"--is that even Heath Miller has been out of whack. Ordinarily he's probably as reliable a player as we have, but this year he's dropped passes and whiffed on blocks just like everyone else. I think he's still struggling to get his sea legs back after his injury (hopefully this isn't the beginning of a decline).

It's a shame because I think he will have some opportunities underneath against the Pats...
 
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Hey guys -- I'm not around much, but when Pitt and NE play I try to do one of these writeups here, just to share some Steelers info ahead of the game.

I'll say this right off the top: I don't think we're a good football team, but I also don't think we're quite as bad talent-wise as the record says. We're like a lot of teams with lousy records -- we have talent in some areas, and maybe with a bit better luck--and fewer injuries in key spots--we'd have a couple more wins.

But the bottom line is that this is a flawed team that is not playing well, and is not deep enough to overcome the defections and injuries it has sustained.

Steelers D - Front 7

A lot has been made of the lack of production at ROLB, which has essentially been a platoon between Jason Worlids and 1st rounder Jarvis Jones. This *is* a big deal, although Lamar Woodley's return to form mitigates this somewhat. Rookies simply shouldn't start in this complex of a defense, and Jones--for all his physical talent--has not generated consistent pressure and is frequently out of position. He's been benched for Worlids, who will make no one forget a circa 2008 James Harrison.

That said, the main problem IMHO has been the uncharacteristically weak run defense, which in the bottom third of the league. Steve McClendon has not been consistent at NT, but it's much more than that...frankly we seem out of position and borderline undisciplined frequently. Part of this has to do with losing Larry Foote, who made all of the defensive calls, and replacing him with a rookie (Vince Williams). I'm sure part is due to having two rookies plus other new starters on D.

Regardless, the run defense is light years away from what it was last year, and teams are getting good production on early downs AND gashing Pitt for big running plays.

Steelers D - Secondary

Our pass defense is ranked very highly, but this is a bit misleading. For one, teams have had success running the ball...they don't have to throw. In addition, teams have repeatedly beat us on critical pass plays (3rd and longs or key possessions in the game). It seems that when the stakes are high, the pass D comes up small.

I believe both Ike Taylor and Ryan Clark have had down years, which may simply be aging. (Note that Troy is back in shape and has been superb...he's not part of the problem IMHO). CB Cortez Allen, who we still have high hopes for, has been nicked frequently and has been inconsistent. And of course the entire secondary has been hurt by a meager pass rush outside of Woodley.

Finally, the entire defense has been at a disadvantage by the simple fact that Pitt has played from behind almost the entire year. Certainly the defense contributes to that, but there have been precious few opportunities to "pin their ears back". On those rare instances where we have had the lead (Jets game), they've looked more like the Steelers D we're used to seeing.

NE Offense vs Pitt Defense

This presents an interesting choice for the Pats, strategy-wise--while I'm sure there's a desire to get the passing game going, the reality is that Pittsburgh is soft against the run. Savvy as BB is, I'd expect a heavy workload for your RBs, running straight at McClendon and our rookie ILB. I'm guessing that's exactly what LeBeau does NOT want -- he would like to get out of the base defense (which takes McClendon and Williams out) and get into specialty packages (which essentially subs in an extra CB and safety--rookie Sharmarko Thomas--and leaves Timmons in the middle of the field alongside TP, who basically functions as a LB).

So basically, while I think NE would *prefer* to throw the ball, and Pitt would prefer to be in their pass subs package, the fact is that Pitt's lousy run D may force the game to be a grinder, with more base run packages on both sides.

If NE does decide to spread it out, it will be an interesting chess match. If you recall, Lebeau had great success in 2011 against NE. In that game, Pitt played press coverage and put Cortez Allen across from Gronk...it turned out to be very effective. Woodley was a terror that game before leaving injured. It's hard to say if such a strategy would work again, given how different Pitt's D is today....That said, the one advantage I would give Pitt on D would be a resurgent Woodley against Vollmer's RT replacement.

Steelers Offense

Any discussion of the Steelers offense starts and ends with the line.

The deal is this: 1) we have a major talent deficiency at LT; 2) we do not have NFL quality depth on the OL; 3) we have had major injury issues on the OL that have only exacerbated the first two issues; 4) on top of everything else, we've had communications and assignment issues that frequently defenders unblocked.

We lost our top 3 guards in the OAK game; whether any of them can go Sunday will be a major factor in Pitt's ability to stay competitive. DeCastro is our best lineman; our run game suffers without him. And if LG Foster can't go, Beachum (an average LT at best to begin with) kicks inside, and Mike Adams starts at LT...and Mike Adams has quite literally been just about the worst LT in football this year, both from an "eye test" perspective, and actual grading (Pro Football Focus). FWIW Velasco has been a capable replacement at center (although obviously we miss the IR'd Pouncey).

I actually think the Steelers are fine at the skill positions. I don't think Miller is all the way back, but he's getting there. They're very high on Le'Veon Bell, and I think the enthusiasm is justified--he's a patient, 3 down, big back with quick feet and power. Ben has been skewered for ball protection issues, but I don't think this criticism has been coming from people who've actually watched the games (if they had, they would see a consistent jailbreak and Ben running for his life...a statue pocket passer like Peyton would have been broken in half on IR by now).

In any event, it's really hard to evaluate the skill guys when the OL play has been so poor and disjointed; they can't pass block, and with the exception of the Ravens game they haven't been able to open running lanes.

Steelers Offense vs Pats D

I confess I know little about the state of the Pats D aside from the injuries they've suffered to Mayo and Wilfork. If Pitt can get Foster and DeCastro back, I would expect to see them attack the middle with Bell like they did against the Ravens. They really have no choice but to try this--they can't reliably have Ben pass 40 or 50 times in a game because the linemen have proven they can't hold their blocks.

From the Patriots perspective, if they can simply stop the run I expect they'll create major problems for Pitt's pass protection, just like every other team has. They should blitz creatively and make Pitt's linemen prove they can be sound in their assignments (which they haven't been). OTOH, if Adams has to play at LT, the Pats can also probably get away with rushing 4 while still getting consistent pressure. Adams is a turnstile. RT Marcus Gilbert has had issues as well (although to be fair, his play has improved of late).

That all said, Pitt *does* have competent skill position players. They've been uneven, but if Pitt's OL does somehow create a pocket, Ben, Brown and Sanders (along with Miller underneath) can hurt defenses. But the shaky line play has had a major effect on the play-calling, which emphasizes quick passes (WR bubble screens, plus more swing passes to Bell of late). So a lot of Pitt's potential explosiveness is negated by Haley's (understandable) efforts to protect a weak line.

Final Thoughts

I think this has been a poor year all around for Pittsburgh--and this includes the coaching, top to bottom. The overall play has been disjointed. There have many instances of the defense not getting lined up properly, or inexplicably leaving gap assignments. (Exhibit A: take a look at Pryor's 93 yard run last week!) The OL can't seem to figure out which blitzers to block. Even Ben and the wideouts seem like they're on a different page a couple times a game.

If they could get these basics sorted out, I think Pitt could at least be an average team--maybe even a team that could put a scare into a team like NE on Sunday. But considering the fact they haven't done this all year--plus factoring in their desperate OL situation--I have a hard time envisioning a win for Pitt this Sunday. I think NE will run, get a lead, and leave Pitt playing catch-up, which will in turn lead to turnovers and mistakes.

I hope I'm wrong here, but:

NE 30-10


lillloyd

This may very well be the single best post I've ever seen on this board from an opposing team's fan - and I'm not even talking about the last line!

:youtheman:

Anyway, Bravo to you, and best wishes to you and your "Stillers" the rest of the way after Sunday!
 
The Steelers biggest defensive weakness this year (along with failing to create turnovers on a consistent basis) has been their numbers vs the run game, but I would imagine that they'll be cheating up on the run a bit and stacking the box until Brady and our receivers make them respect them.

I would think that until our receivers and offense prove that they can throw the ball effectively enough, this may be one of our bigger challenges moving forward in terms of being able to run the ball on teams who cheat up in run support.
 
Haley catches most of the flak but tomlin is a terrible coach, been saying it for years along with a couple of my best buddies who are steeler fans. Some of the worst game management I've ever seen since he took over for cowher. His "unleash hell" comment and subsequent 3 game losing streak in 09 was comical. Their game plan for Tebow in the playoff loss was mind bogglingly horrible. And it continues right up through last week vs Oakland coming out second half down 21-3 and running the ball like 15 times chewing up 10 min of clock and getting no points from it. I still call it a political hire.
 
Haley catches most of the flak but tomlin is a terrible coach, been saying it for years along with a couple of my best buddies who are steeler fans. Some of the worst game management I've ever seen since he took over for cowher. His "unleash hell" comment and subsequent 3 game losing streak in 09 was comical. Their game plan for Tebow in the playoff loss was mind bogglingly horrible. And it continues right up through last week vs Oakland coming out second half down 21-3 and running the ball like 15 times chewing up 10 min of clock and getting no points from it. I still call it a political hire.

I'm not sure that I would consider Tomlin a "terrible" coach myself, especially when they didn't exactly have a ton of good candidates at the time. As much as I hate the Steelers, I think they made the best move by selecting him over Russ Grimm and Ken Wisenhunt. Tomlin had a great reputation as an up and coming defensive coordinator at the time, and reportedly handled himself much better than Russ Grimm when it came to relating to upper management/interviewing process, etc.

I'm not saying he's a great coach, but he does relate well to the players, and carries that strong/defensive attitude that has been a staple for Steeler teams for many years.

Haley is a weirdo. He currently has several lawsuits against him for crazy things such as:

--getting evicted from his million dollar home that he was renting, which is located about 2 to 3 miles from where I currently live in neighboring Upper St.Clair, PA.

--stealing the appliances, shrubs, trees, etc from said rental property which has been on the local news several times in the past few weeks. The pictures literally show a totally gutted home

--his recent drunken ramblings at a nearby hotel bar where he scribbled stuff about how bad the "KC Chiefs suck" etc on a napkin (WTF?)

--refusing to pay his "pet sitter" over 10,000 because he and his wife claimed that the conditions were "deplorable." In the meantime, the picture of the pet sitter's house is right out of old time Mayberry. It's a tremendously well-kept, well-off and expensive property that the pet sitters claim were longtime friends of the Haleys, and they are refusing to pay simply because they got behind on their bills

--having a dispute with his former property that they were trying to sell in Kansas City, due to what was deemed as a major "spider infestation"

--and then there's my favorite....Haley and his wife sued a McDonald's for supposedly finding a "rat" in their chicken salad when going through the drive-thru for takeout. When the regional manager received the phone call from the local store, he dropped everything he was doing and raced over to the home to inspect and take pictures etc; however, Mrs.Haley couldn't provide any proof of said event, and she refused to allow the investigation to be furthered by examining the container where the salad was housed, plastic forks, napkins, etc. That didn't stop her from attempting to take McDonald's to court for approx. 2 million dollars however, as she claims that "she is still distraught and unable to properly eat" to this day. Of course the lawsuit was dismissed and they looked like idiots, just the same as the always do
 
--and then there's my favorite....Haley and his wife sued a McDonald's for supposedly finding a "rat" in their chicken salad when going through the drive-thru for takeout. When the regional manager received the phone call from the local store, he dropped everything he was doing and raced over to the home to inspect and take pictures etc; however, Mrs.Haley couldn't provide any proof of said event, and she refused to allow the investigation to be furthered by examining the container where the salad was housed, plastic forks, napkins, etc. That didn't stop her from attempting to take McDonald's to court for approx. 2 million dollars however, as she claims that "she is still distraught and unable to properly eat" to this day. Of course the lawsuit was dismissed and they looked like idiots, just the same as the always do

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
This thread is full of win. And not just for the predicted score of the OP.

OP, I must say your breakdown of the Steelers is very impressive, but that is not totally unexpected of a very informed fan base. What is most impressive about it is the lack of emotion. The logical analysis.

The thing is, in the state of the NFL today, the winning team and the losing team are not that far apart in many contests. It isn't as if the Steelers are being drubbed week in and week out.

I can assure you there is many a Pat fan that would write up a very similar analysis of the Pats and yet the Pats are 6-2. So what is the difference between 6-2 and 2-5? Is it the difference between BB and Tomlin? The difference between TB and Big Ben? I don't know.

I do know that both fanbases and franchises expect a lot from the team.

I do know that watching the play of one's favorite team not measuring up to expected standards causes fans to analyze a loss to death and even be unsatisfied with a win.

Around here the discussion is about whether TB is in decline and what the F is wrong with TB. With your team it is more comprehensive. WTF is wrong with the entire team. What is the difference? 6-2 and 2-5. Believe me if the Pats record was 2-6 there would be some around here calling for the benching of TB and the firing of BB and saying everything is wrong with the entire team.

Not everyone is a cliff jumper, of course. Especially Robert Kraft. See that is one of the things that far too many do not appreciate about the Rooneys. They set the standard of not cliff jumping. Well them and Clint Murchison. Of course most don't even know who he is now that the out of control egomaniac has destroyed a once proud franchise.

Anyway, great post on your part, and don't be so convinced that they are a bad team. Remember the Chiefs went 2-14 last year. I don't think a record is as indicative of a bad team anymore in the current state of this league.

I see more up and downs coming for many teams that were used to winning each and every year. The key difference will be, who are the cliff jumpers and who wants stability in team management from year to year.

Heck look at the Giants this year as well. Look at the Falcons. They were one play away from the Super Bowl. The Ravens actually won and they are not looking all that good either.

The league is far different from what it was just a decade ago.

I agree with you that BB will game plan this to a win. I don't think that should be taken for granted and there are many sensible Pat fans around here that won't.

However, this is a must win for the Steelers. As Big Ben said it is a must win. A caged lion is a dangerous encounter. I am sure Tomlin's message is this game has got to end in the Steelers favor, somehow, someway. It is a must win.

It will be close. I disagree with your assessment that it won't in the end.

The Pats handled the Bucs, and handled the Dolphins in the second half, but I don't think either of those teams has the fortitude the Steelers bring to bear.
 
Though I would love to have that score the OP predicts, I too suspect that this will be a close one.
 
Thanks for the breakdown Lilloyd.

The Pats have been getting it done despite injuries to key players. In fact they just dealt for DT Isaac Sopoaga to help with the depth on the DL. Their run defense is not what it used to be and understandably so with the loss of Wilfork, Mayo, and Kelly. We can only hope that Kelly comes back soon and that others step up.

Meanwhile the secondary has really improved. With Dennard, Logan Ryan, and McCourty being key players back there. When Talib went out, Ryan stepped up. We will be even tougher to pass against once Talib returns healthy.

Despite the injuries to the DL we have some promising young players. Second year, 1st round pick Chandler Jones is on pace for 15-17 sacks making him one of the toughest threats for an OL to contain. Rookie DL Chris Jones already has 5 sacks as well. Talk about keeping up with the Joneses!

The key matchup to watch imo will be Chandler Jones vs the Steelers LT. How much the LT allows Chandler Jones to disrupt the Steelers offense could spell the game. If Big Ben has no time to throw and spends more time on his backside, then it will be a long night for Steelers fans. Note that the Pats blitzed and stunted very effectively in the 2nd half of the Dolphins game and racked up 6 sacks and forced 3 turnovers en route to their 27-17 win.

Finally I think defending the run has been a weakness for both teams. Will Sopoaga spell the difference? Will we switch to a 3-4 front? We shall see on Sunday. The Pats don't lack for talent at RB with Ridley coming off a 1,200 yard season and showing signs of coming back to life. We've also got solid guys like Blount and Bolden backing him up. I'm not sure about this Le'veon Bell kid but usually a RB is only as good as his OL. We shall have to see if he can deliver the goods.

The Pats no longer have the marquee Offense that can EASILY pile up 30+ points on a defense on a regular basis. But it's a work in progress trying to integrate several rookies into the passing game. However the defense overall is MARKEDLY improved. So I expect a balanced approach, and for this Pats team to try to grind out the victory vs the Steelers. This should be an interesting game!

Final Thoughts

I think this has been a poor year all around for Pittsburgh--and this includes the coaching, top to bottom. The overall play has been disjointed. There have many instances of the defense not getting lined up properly, or inexplicably leaving gap assignments. (Exhibit A: take a look at Pryor's 93 yard run last week!) The OL can't seem to figure out which blitzers to block. Even Ben and the wideouts seem like they're on a different page a couple times a game.

If they could get these basics sorted out, I think Pitt could at least be an average team--maybe even a team that could put a scare into a team like NE on Sunday. But considering the fact they haven't done this all year--plus factoring in their desperate OL situation--I have a hard time envisioning a win for Pitt this Sunday. I think NE will run, get a lead, and leave Pitt playing catch-up, which will in turn lead to turnovers and mistakes.

I hope I'm wrong here, but:

NE 30-10


lillloyd
 
I'm not sure that I would consider Tomlin a "terrible" coach myself, especially when they didn't exactly have a ton of good candidates at the time. As much as I hate the Steelers, I think they made the best move by selecting him over Russ Grimm and Ken Wisenhunt. Tomlin had a great reputation as an up and coming defensive coordinator at the time, and reportedly handled himself much better than Russ Grimm when it came to relating to upper management/interviewing process, etc.

I'm not saying he's a great coach, but he does relate well to the players, and carries that strong/defensive attitude that has been a staple for Steeler teams for many years.

Haley is a weirdo. He currently has several lawsuits against him for crazy things such as:

--getting evicted from his million dollar home that he was renting, which is located about 2 to 3 miles from where I currently live in neighboring Upper St.Clair, PA.

--stealing the appliances, shrubs, trees, etc from said rental property which has been on the local news several times in the past few weeks. The pictures literally show a totally gutted home

--his recent drunken ramblings at a nearby hotel bar where he scribbled stuff about how bad the "KC Chiefs suck" etc on a napkin (WTF?)

--refusing to pay his "pet sitter" over 10,000 because he and his wife claimed that the conditions were "deplorable." In the meantime, the picture of the pet sitter's house is right out of old time Mayberry. It's a tremendously well-kept, well-off and expensive property that the pet sitters claim were longtime friends of the Haleys, and they are refusing to pay simply because they got behind on their bills

--having a dispute with his former property that they were trying to sell in Kansas City, due to what was deemed as a major "spider infestation"

--and then there's my favorite....Haley and his wife sued a McDonald's for supposedly finding a "rat" in their chicken salad when going through the drive-thru for takeout. When the regional manager received the phone call from the local store, he dropped everything he was doing and raced over to the home to inspect and take pictures etc; however, Mrs.Haley couldn't provide any proof of said event, and she refused to allow the investigation to be furthered by examining the container where the salad was housed, plastic forks, napkins, etc. That didn't stop her from attempting to take McDonald's to court for approx. 2 million dollars however, as she claims that "she is still distraught and unable to properly eat" to this day. Of course the lawsuit was dismissed and they looked like idiots, just the same as the always do

That's the behavior of a drunken/drug addicted psychopath. Haley needs to have his head examined. Wish MoLewisrocks! was still posting here... or alive. I used to enjoy reading his thoughts on Haley.
 
That's the behavior of a drunken/drug addicted psychopath. Haley needs to have his head examined. Wish MoLewisrocks! was still posting here... or alive. I used to enjoy reading his thoughts on Haley.

Agreed. A sicko.
Does anyone know whither Mo?
 
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