Odrick owned Mankins

Snake Eyes · Oct 28, 2013

Avenger said:
Isn't Mankins the highest paid OG?

Oh yeah, he's highly overpaid.

Get it shawtaay · Oct 28, 2013

I don't see what's so surprising about this.

Mankins is what he is. Great in the run game, and makes too many damn mistakes in pass pro.

Obviously the penalties are well documented. But whenever there's a missed assignment, its usually Mankins who's the one standing there with no one to block. Of course, he usually goes and pretends to help someone when he realizes he messed up, but the damage is done.

Good player? Sure. Overpaid? Definitely. A top 3 offensive guard (which is what he's paid to be) should not be making so many dumb mistakes.

Given the number of other players who aren't executing at a high level right now, I would hardly 'single him out'. As a matter of fact, if this team is to be successful, Ridley and the run game need to be featured, and that means getting Mankins involved doing what he does best. Getting out in space and finishing blocks and paving the way.

But in hindsight, its too bad that we're paying something like 8 million a year for a rich man's Willie Colon.

Big-T · Oct 28, 2013

» Over the Cap- New England Patriots 2014 Salary Cap and Contracts

Only a $2.5m saving to cut him next season, but he sure aint worth that $10.5m cap hit, either!

Tyler.Durden · Oct 28, 2013

I love mankins but he has missed a few assignments this year and has been owned on occasion.

Great players get old too, and their skills do decline. I don't think we are there yet with mankins.

smg93 · Oct 29, 2013

Snake Eyes said:
So the GOAT QB is getting beaten to a pulp yet BB doesn't want to invest in the O-line

This is where the problem lies. You say BB does not want to "invest" in the O Line. Others say, there are two first rounders and a second round guy there. They also point out that one is among the highest paid guards and another just got an extension.

Then you say that even if that is so, they have played poorly which is why you are right that BB doesn't want to invest in the O Line.

Huh????

Investing is the act of committing capital or resources to an asset usually with the hope of getting a return on it. This is what BB has done based on the draft picks and contract extensions. You are wrong then to say that BB is not investing in the O Line.

What you are actually saying is that based on your opinion, BB is not investing WISELY because those picks and extensions have not been playing to the standards that befit those investments.

My apologies to those who find this statement to be an obvious one. It just seems like the poster I quoted doesn't get this.

cstjohn17 · Oct 29, 2013

It wasn't just our imagination

From Bedard "Need to dig up my old stats, because I don't think I've ever seen Logan Mankins get beat in the pass game like he did vs. MIA. Yowsers"

"Three unassisted sacks, that used to be a season for Mankins. Fine in run game

Claremonster · Oct 30, 2013

I wonder what Dante thinks...

The oline has been playing poorly for what it seems like the whole year. Wendell isn't the answer at center.

The oline needs to be addressed next year for sure.

captain stone · Oct 30, 2013

ATippett56 said:
Bill Belichick doesn't want to invest in the offensive line?

Two first round draft picks and a second round draft pick is not enough?

The problem is, Bill hasn't drafted any OLmen since Cannon in 2011, and if Cannon is considered
as an OT (his current position), then he hasn't drafted an Interior OLman of any consequence since Mankins - 8 years ago.

Ass-uming SeaBass returns to full health, drafting a C/G with a top-100 pick is an absolute,
indisputable must.

resdubwhite · Oct 30, 2013

captain stone said:
The problem is, Bill hasn't drafted any OLmen since Cannon in 2011, and if Cannon is considered
as an OT (his current position), then he hasn't drafted an Interior OLman of any consequence since Mankins - 8 years ago.

Ass-uming SeaBass returns to full health, drafting a C/G with a top-100 pick is an absolute,
indisputable must.

To me.
DT
G/C are the two most pressing needs in next years draft. I'd be fine with 2 of each to be honest. Of course things change as do needs. I'm sure another WR/CB would not go amiss either.

patfanken · Oct 30, 2013

Marinlik said:
When I watched the All-22 tape I thought that Mankins was by far our best inside blocker and that he made some really crucial blocks to open up holes for the runners.

Don't let the facts get in the way of the haters rant. I don't know why people expect even the good NFL players to win every battle EVERY time.

I'm sure there were an occasional play where Odrick beat Mankins, and I'm sure he missed a stunt or two. NEWS FLASH - they pay the guys on the other side TOO. But like you point out that for the most part on the 60 odd plays that Mankins participated in, he did a good job.

Consider this: If over the course of a season the best pass rusher on your team rushes the passer 600 times. And you are lucky enough to have a great one and he gets 20 sacks. That's a success rate of just over 3% Now, I know its an over simplification, but where else would a 3% success rate garner you a 8 figure annual salary.

patfanken · Oct 30, 2013

Get it shawtaay said:
I don't see what's so surprising about this.

Mankins is what he is. Great in the run game, and makes too many damn mistakes in pass pro.

Obviously the penalties are well documented. But whenever there's a missed assignment, its usually Mankins who's the one standing there with no one to block. Of course, he usually goes and pretends to help someone when he realizes he messed up, but the damage is done.

Good player? Sure. Overpaid? Definitely. A top 3 offensive guard (which is what he's paid to be) should not be making so many dumb mistakes.

Given the number of other players who aren't executing at a high level right now, I would hardly 'single him out'. As a matter of fact, if this team is to be successful, Ridley and the run game need to be featured, and that means getting Mankins involved doing what he does best. Getting out in space and finishing blocks and paving the way.

But in hindsight, its too bad that we're paying something like 8 million a year for a rich man's Willie Colon.

Well its one thing to defend Mankins from the overcritical fandom, However its another thing to pay him like he's a top 5 OG if he no longer is playing to THAT level.

It could very well be a situation where Logan has to give up a million or 2 next season to remain with the team, and I'd be OK with that assuming we added a player of equal ability at this point in Mankins Career at a price equal to the talent level.

In other words, I think the team will have to do some serious thinking about Logan's future with team with his current cap number. If he's no longer a top 5 OG, then it doesn't make sense to pay him as one.

Snake Eyes · Oct 30, 2013

smg93 said:
This is where the problem lies. You say BB does not want to "invest" in the O Line. Others say, there are two first rounders and a second round guy there. They also point out that one is among the highest paid guards and another just got an extension.

Then you say that even if that is so, they have played poorly which is why you are right that BB doesn't want to invest in the O Line.

Huh????

Investing is the act of committing capital or resources to an asset usually with the hope of getting a return on it. This is what BB has done based on the draft picks and contract extensions. You are wrong then to say that BB is not investing in the O Line.

What you are actually saying is that based on your opinion, BB is not investing WISELY because those picks and extensions have not been playing to the standards that befit those investments.

My apologies to those who find this statement to be an obvious one. It just seems like the poster I quoted doesn't get this.

Sorry but that's distinction without difference, if your QB is getting pounded there's a problem and would hopefully be addressed. If some of your investments have not turned out well then you keep going until you get it right. You don't say "well, I've already put a 1st rounder to that position so I've done my part".

Look at the difference in a team which has a franchise QB as opposed to those who don’t, the difference they make is astonishing. So, which that in mind, and the fact that we have one of the best ever, it should be a priority to protect the hell out of him, and that is not being done.

stcjones · Oct 30, 2013

if he doesn't improve, Mankins will be cap casualty next year."

Yeah......THAT is going to happen.....

))

PatsFan2 said:
Not to mention Mankins timely holding calls that negates Big plays and TD's. I am sure BB is going to evaluate his play over the offseason to see if he's worth what he's getting. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't improve, Mankins will be cap casualty next year.

Ivan · Oct 31, 2013

The only people who don't think Mankins is a great OG are Patriot fans, his peers and this coaching staff see it very differently. Par for the course.

Mankins isn't going to take a pay cut and weakening Brady's interior OL is a really really bad idea. I don't believe the Patriots will, even attempt to reduce his deal, if they evaluate him as not worth it they will simply release him. I honestly don't believe fans can accurately evaluate the play of interior lineman because they have no idea what their actual responsibilities are. Tackles are somewhat different because the match-ups are more straightforward.

West Philly Patriot · Oct 31, 2013

Ivan said:
The only people who don't think Mankins is a great OG are Patriot fans, his peers and this coaching staff see it very differently. Par for the course.

Mankins isn't going to take a pay cut and weakening Brady's interior OL is a really really bad idea. I don't believe the Patriots will, even attempt to reduce his deal, if they evaluate him as not worth it they will simply release him. I honestly don't believe fans can accurately evaluate the play of interior lineman because they have no idea what their actual responsibilities are. Tackles are somewhat different because the match-ups are more straightforward.

Brady has gotten hit way too much this year, what do you see as the cause?

Ivan · Oct 31, 2013

West Philly Patriot said:
Brady has gotten hit way too much this year, what do you see as the cause?

Going away from the run game, being way too predictable on offense, Brady holding onto the ball much longer than he has in the past, and the OL being beaten and blowing assignments. i sure a hell don't put it on Mankins, who is one of their 2 best OL. As i said in regards to his critics i think it is really hard for fans to analyze interior OL play because we really don't know their assignments, so i can't honestly say whether mankins is playing up to his deal or not, but i do know that respect for him in the lockerrrom, around the league, and from the coaching staff is immense, and i think it is fans who think they can PFF the team who are his biggest critics. i don't think it''s that simple and i honestly don't see Mankins as a guy who will take a salary redution, I think he will say no way and tell them to release him onto the open market.

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