Duron Harmon - Padding Stats / Bad Awareness

MrNathanDrake said:

Nope. You're wrong.

The better play wouldve been to bat the pass down.


45 seconds left.... Thats plenty of time. What if Brady fumbles the kneel down and loses the ball, Dolphins return it for a quick TD.

Then they onside it and get into FG range.



You guys would all be ****ting on Harmon, but since everything turned out okay you guys are fine with him making the wrong play.

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Your hypothetical could also happen if Harmon batted the ball down.

Why not just chalk this game up as a loss for the Patriots to make yourself happier.

BB hurts the team more than that every time he mercifully refrains from running up the score. Total points scored over a season COULD affect a tiebreak scenario, after all.

I.e., it's a non-issue.

MrNathanDrake said:

Nope. You're wrong.

The better play wouldve been to bat the pass down.


45 seconds left.... Thats plenty of time. What if Brady fumbles the kneel down and loses the ball, Dolphins return it for a quick TD.

Then they onside it and get into FG range.



You guys would all be ****ting on Harmon, but since everything turned out okay you guys are fine with him making the wrong play.

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No. I am correct. The better play is NOT to knock it down. It's to make the catch and kneel down immediately since they have a 10 point lead and two consecutive kneel downs ices the game.

It's amazing how you pull the "What if" BS card and act as if the near impossible should be given probable consideration.

BTW, you're scenario is just as plausible from the Miami 10 yard line as it is from the Pats 35 yard line.

Don't assume that we are as ignorant as you are and impose your own illogical thinking on us as to what our reactions would be given different situations.

MrNathanDrake said:

You guys would all be ****ting on Harmon, but since everything turned out okay you guys are fine with him making the wrong play.

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No, we'd be asking Joe Philbin for this week's lottery numbers.

Even if Brady botched the snap, only Schiano's Bucs actually get in position to recover a fumbled snap there. Any other team just stands there and lets the QB recover before they realize anything happened.

And even if the Bucs did recover, they'd need 35 yards for a TD with no timeouts.

And even if they did that, they'd have to recover an onside kick, which is historically about a 10% chance.

And even if they did that, they'd have to go another 30 yards or so. And then they'd have to run up and spike it since they have timeouts.

And they'd have to do all of that in 45 seconds.

In the end, the difference between the chance of that outcome from the 10 yard line and the chance of that outcome from the 35 yard line is about as large as the chance of the stadium being hit by an asteroid and everybody losing.

Okay what if Harmon goes to bat it down and accidentally tips it forward into Wallace's hands(who was running toward him), he then runs it in for a TD, then they onside kick it, recover, score and win.

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what if a bull has tits and...awww...never mind...I'm not going there....

This is more of a tomato/tomato kind of thing. Padding his stats/destroying tannehill's.

This is one of the dumbest, worst threads I can remember. Are you ******ed? The game was over.. they were kneeling the ball regardless.

Of all the plays that game, you pick the play prelude to the kneel down to whine. What the.......

Sticky Caulk said:

Terrible play, picking off the QB to end the game. Harmon should be ashamed. I bet he gets benched for the first quarter of the Steelers game.

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knowing BB, it might very well happen

MrNathanDrake said:

Nope. You're wrong.

The better play wouldve been to bat the pass down.


45 seconds left.... Thats plenty of time. What if Brady fumbles the kneel down and loses the ball, Dolphins return it for a quick TD.

Then they onside it and get into FG range.



You guys would all be ****ting on Harmon, but since everything turned out okay you guys are fine with him making the wrong play.

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Uh no, then we'd be ****ting on Brady for screwing up an easy play.

Can't people on this site just enjoy the win and not nitpick everything? I understand everybody is entitled to their opinion but sometimes...

MrNathanDrake said:

Nope. You're wrong.

The better play wouldve been to bat the pass down.


45 seconds left.... Thats plenty of time. What if Brady fumbles the kneel down and loses the ball, Dolphins return it for a quick TD.

Then they onside it and get into FG range.



You guys would all be ****ting on Harmon, but since everything turned out okay you guys are fine with him making the wrong play.

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Lol, okay. So, either he bats it down and the Pats take knees at the Phin's 11 yard line or he catches it like he did and the Pats take knees at their own 35.


The Phins had no timeouts and there was nothing they could do to stop the Pats regardless of where the ball was on the field. The ball could have been on the Phins 1 yard line and the Pats still would have taken knees to seal the victory.

When he intercepted the ball, I said "this game is over, 6-2". Never anything wrong with clinching a game for your team..

I am missing something. Do the Pats get extra credit towards playoff seeding if Brady takes a knee at the opposing team's ten yard line rather than the Pats' 35?

The second the Dolphins didn't convert the fourth down, the game was over. Whether Harmon batted the ball or intercepted it, the Pats were going to take a knee and end the game.

Harmon did the right thing. If it comes right to you, you catch it. You bat it and there is a chance that it could fall into a Dolphins' hands for a big completion. The only time you bat it down on a Hail Mary is if you are in a scrum and you have little chance of catching it and you want to make sure no one else in that scrum caught it.

Rob0729 said:

The only time you bat it down on a Hail Mary is if you are in a scrum and you have little chance of catching it and you want to make sure no one else in that scrum caught it.

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That is not accurate as stated, of course. If there were enough time on the clock to require real plays -- not the actual situation -- then field position would matter, and the bat/catch decision matters.

Anyhow, given that veterans run back INTs they should kneel with, risking fumbles and/or injury, a harmless catch-and-kneel by a rookie is just fine by me.

Re: Re: Duron Harmon - Padding Stats / Bad Awareness

MrNathanDrake said:

On Harmons INT


It was 4th down. Tannehill bombed it out about 50 yards. No one was remotely close by.

Harmon catches the easy INT. We get the ball around mid-field. If he simply batted the ball down, we would've gotten the ball around the Dolphins 10 yard line instead. He lost us a good 40+ yards because of the INT, and essentially made Tannehills pass a Punt.

Guess Harmon just wanted an INT on his stat line. It was a stupid play, but luckily for him there was almost no time remaining.

I'm sure BB will rip him for that. :bricks:

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In my opinion if a defensive back can intercept the ball he should, 9 times out of 10 that's going to be the right decision. No need to complicate things.

MrNathanDrake said:

Nope. You're wrong.

The better play wouldve been to bat the pass down.


45 seconds left.... Thats plenty of time. What if Brady fumbles the kneel down and loses the ball, Dolphins return it for a quick TD.

Then they onside it and get into FG range.



You guys would all be ****ting on Harmon, but since everything turned out okay you guys are fine with him making the wrong play.

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OMG, what if he batted it down, but it bounced off of someone's foot, and then a Dolphin grabbed it and scored a TD, and then recovered the onsides kick, and then scored again???

In other situations, I'd agree with you. But you're all kinds of wrong on this one. The only thing that mattered was possession, not position.