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...and it turns out you really are this dense; because your attempt at a counter-point does absolutely nothing to address the issues that I brought up in the first place.

Let's recap: You cited Ridley's games w/ 20+ rush attempts in their correlation to wins. Ok. But I (and a few others) already told you that rushing attempts will go up because the winning team will want to run out the clock. Likewise, a team that is losing will most often keep throwing. A pretty simple point.

Now do me a favor and go re-read your counter-argument, what I just, quoted above. You posted the rushing yards-per-quarter in an attempt to refute...uh...what, exactly? I mean, what does Ridley's yards-per-quarter have to do with your "20+rush-attempts" argument, or the criticism made against it? I really have to take a step back and wonder how to connect-the-dots here, because it sounds like you have no clue as to what is being discussed. Have you done anything to even address, let alone refute, my aforementioned argument? No. In fact I have to wonder if you even grasped the argument in the first place, because randomly going from citing winning games with 20+ rush attempts to a breakdown of rushing yards-per-quarter really does nothing to support your own argument, let alone refute mine.

I mean, the best I can infer -- and I have to take a few leaps in logic, here -- is that you trying to infer that The Patriots don't run the ball that much in the 4th with a lead, or something. Well, If so?


A) You've randomly switched from rush attempts to rush yards, so your point (whatever it may be) is moot.
B) The yards-per-Q stats do not make any distinction between winning games and losing games; so again, your point (er, what?) is moot.
C) Even if we ignore the above; The simple fact that a winning team will try to run out the clock in the 4th does not mean that they will have more rush attempts (let alone yards) in the 4th than in any other quarter, or their stats are artificially inflated, or whatever. All it means is that they'll tack on some extra rushes that probably wouldn't have happened if they were losing. That's an easy way to go up from a number of rushing attempts in the mid-to-late teens, to going into the twenties. Something that probably wouldn't have happened if they were losing in the 4th, and thus still throwing in the last minute to regain a lead. That's why 20+ rushes correlate to wins.

So yeah, you've done very little to support your own argument. Hell, you really haven't even stayed on topic. But hey? Look on the bright-side, you've totally supported my point about how dense you are. Congrats!

Clearly you didn't look at the splits again because if you did you'd see that Ridley has the least number of carries in the 4th quarter of any quarter of football in 2013 and the 2nd least of any quarter in 2012.

Re-read the OP you'll see that there is more in it than 20+ carries then go onto Google look up Ridley's stats and then when you finally have accurate information - Try again!
 
Good job, you managed to provid nothing to support your bold assertions. Unless you have something tangible, intangible or otherwise to support your 2 posts all you've done is make a failed attempt to perceive that you're knowledgeable.

Reading comprehension must be tough.
 
The problem with statistics like that is that you often rush more when you are winning to run out the clock. Having said that I really think we need to use Ridley more. He is our best running back by a good margin. Yes he has had some fumbles. But his average for fumbles is not that bad.
 
So you’re happy with McDaniels as an offensive coordinator? You think his decision to use players like Blount and Bolden in place of Ridley makes sense and the decision puts the team in the best situation to score points and win football games?

Yes. The New England Patriots are 66-15 in the regular seasonwith McDaniels as Offensive Coordinator. Who has a better record than that?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2013.htm

Blount and Ridley are both averaging 4.1 yards per carry, and Bolden is averaging 5.4 yards per carry. That's not a bad three-headed running back, especially since Ridley has a banged up knee.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/stats/2013/
 
I dont generally agree with our hall of fame posters way of discussing on this forum but I have to say on this one I can actually see what he is doing.

To me it would appear, by looking at the statitistics here,that again its probably right that Mcdaniels has less superbowls. Is he therefore a worse coach, probably not. Has he been influencing the personel decisions probably. Is he worse than any other OC, maybe, he could be better. Time will tell, but I think the personel decision-discussion is flawed since the moves were made with the assumed murderer on the team. And I think everyone whos seen us in the playoff saw that we needed maybe some other types of WR:s to be champions.

There are way to many variables going into the claims you seem to make Brady6. You can single out statistics all day and you still wont prove much. And when posters prove you wrong you turn towards angry remarks.

Btw, you started out as a polite poster but recently theres just too much garbage. Please stop that.
 
I don't even know where to start, but I'll just say Josh McD is not the problem with this team. There is personally no other OC I'd rather have. I don't care what's his record as a HC in Donkyville was, his work here is remarkable.

Now, with that said I don't really care for stats like YPC, or stuff like that. I use my eyes, and I can def say Ridley is hands down our best/ most dangerous RB. He needs to see the ball more. Ridley getting positive yards, means defenders respect the run, and that opens up the play action. This offense needs more balance.
 
I think keeping the GOAT upright in a clearly pass-oriented league gives them a good chance at winning, yes. Call me crazy.

Likely more so than having the team run over some irrelevant number of times in a game.

That can be done with balanced play calling.

The Pats abandoned the run vs the Jets and became 1 dimensional.
 
Blount and Ridley are both averaging 4.1 yards per carry, and Bolden is averaging 5.4 yards per carry. That's not a bad three-headed running back, especially since Ridley has a banged up knee.

There you go.

Why are these guys sitting on the bench? NE averaged 4.5 yac vs the Jets, but only ran 20 rushing plays. You have a struggling NE OL and WRs learning on the job, so you opt for the pass heavy route.

Its no wonder why Brady is getting beat up.
 
Every once in a while Josh McMartz comes up with a great gameplan. Maybe we will be lucky and see one today?

But, he is not consistent at all and will never be confused with Charlie Weis. Im not sure what he does at half time because so many times the Pats offense looks like crap in the 2nd half of games.
 
Id love to see Ridley carry the ball 20 times a game. He's a playmaker. Something this team is in desperate need of on both sides of the ball. Doesn't get much more complicated than that for me.

Dear god I miss Wes. :(
 
I don’t think he is a good coach, I think he is an arrogant **** who rides Brady’s coattails, but I could deal with him being here if I didn’t have to watch Blount dance around like an idiot behind the line of scrimmage.

The guy has an issue, he arrived in Denver and traded the franchise QB and WR within his first season, then he came back here and Welker was outie. That to me looks like a guy who can’t handle another ego in the room, add to that the fact without Brady he has been pathetic, really pathetic in fact and I can’t really see a reason why people think highly of him. What this team did in 2007 was not because of Josh McDaniels, it was because of Tom Brady.

Wow, you're making sooooo many assumptions, Cutler and Marshall are well known malcontents. Two players BB would never want. McDaniels did a great job with Cassel as well as Kyle Orton. The OC bashing has gotten to an insane level. The guy only calls the plays, he can't make the team execute. Every fanbase is convinced that they have the worse OC in the entire league when they lose. It's easy to be an OC when you have your best friend captain hindsight.
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Every once in a while Josh McMartz comes up with a great gameplan. Maybe we will be lucky and see one today?

But, he is not consistent at all and will never be confused with Charlie Weis. Im not sure what he does at half time because so many times the Pats offense looks like crap in the 2nd half of games.

Could have something to do with the team dropping passes, not blocking anyone, and overthrowing open receivers. I'm sure McDaniels could improve as could the rest of the team, but the guy only calls the plays. You can have Bill Walsh out there calling the plays but if the guys don't execute then the offense ain't gonna score.
 
Could have something to do with the team dropping passes, not blocking anyone, and overthrowing open receivers. I'm sure McDaniels could improve as could the rest of the team, but the guy only calls the plays. You can have Bill Walsh out there calling the plays but if the guys don't execute then the offense ain't gonna score.

Whoever devised that redzone play where Brady throws to Solder in back corner of the end zone needs his axx kicked. And, then you unveil it in a game like that.

I know that Charlie Weis did more with less and that the Pats werent predictable.
 
...and it turns out you really are this dense; because your attempt at a counter-point does absolutely nothing to address the issues that I brought up in the first place.

Let's recap: You cited Ridley's games w/ 20+ rush attempts in their correlation to wins. Ok. But I (and a few others) already told you that rushing attempts will go up because the winning team will want to run out the clock. Likewise, a team that is losing will most often keep throwing. A pretty simple point.

Now do me a favor and go re-read your counter-argument, what I just, quoted above. You posted the rushing yards-per-quarter in an attempt to refute...uh...what, exactly? I mean, what does Ridley's yards-per-quarter have to do with your "20+rush-attempts" argument, or the criticism made against it? I really have to take a step back and wonder how to connect-the-dots here, because it sounds like you have no clue as to what is being discussed. Have you done anything to even address, let alone refute, my aforementioned argument? No. In fact I have to wonder if you even grasped the argument in the first place, because randomly going from citing winning games with 20+ rush attempts to a breakdown of rushing yards-per-quarter really does nothing to support your own argument, let alone refute mine.

I mean, the best I can infer -- and I have to take a few leaps in logic, here -- is that you trying to infer that The Patriots don't run the ball that much in the 4th with a lead, or something. Well, If so?


A) You've randomly switched from rush attempts to rush yards, so your point (whatever it may be) is moot.
B) The yards-per-Q stats do not make any distinction between winning games and losing games; so again, your point (er, what?) is moot.
C) Even if we ignore the above; The simple fact that a winning team will try to run out the clock in the 4th does not mean that they will have more rush attempts (let alone yards) in the 4th than in any other quarter, or their stats are artificially inflated, or whatever. All it means is that they'll tack on some extra rushes that probably wouldn't have happened if they were losing. That's an easy way to go up from a number of rushing attempts in the mid-to-late teens, to going into the twenties. Something that probably wouldn't have happened if they were losing in the 4th, and thus still throwing in the last minute to regain a lead. That's why 20+ rushes correlate to wins.

So yeah, you've done very little to support your own argument. Hell, you really haven't even stayed on topic. But hey? Look on the bright-side, you've totally supported my point about how dense you are. Congrats!

Clearly you didn't look at the splits again because if you did you'd see that Ridley has the least number of carries in the 4th quarter of any quarter of football in 2013 and the 2nd least of any quarter in 2012.

Re-read the OP you'll see that there is more in it than 20+ carries then go onto Google look up Ridley's stats and then when you finally have accurate information - Try again!

God damn, you really are embarrassing yourself, here. You have to be the single dumbest person I've ever encountered on this site...

1) Again, You are swapping rushing attempts for rushing yards, and making an assumption that not enough rushing plays are called in the 4thQ because of McD. Yards =/= attempts.

2) You are making this assumption based solely on Ridley. Not the whole team. Just Ridley (a player who has already been benched, at that).

3) For someone who keeps saying "check the splits!" you still haven't checked them. But oh look! I just did....and you are completely and utterly wrong in your criticism of McD's 4th Q playcalling:

New England Patriots 2013 Offensive Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

PatriotsSplits_zps1ae10762.png
 
god damn, you really are embarrassing yourself, here. You have to be the single dumbest person i've ever encountered on this site...

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lol qft +100000
 
Re: Re: Patriots 7–0 when Ridley carries 20+ times since the start of 12'

God damn, you really are embarrassing yourself, here. You have to be the single dumbest person I've ever encountered on this site...

First off personal insults aren't necessary and the fact an adult in an internet forum has reduced to that level is the only embarrassment.

1) Again, You are swapping rushing attempts for rushing yards, and making an assumption that not enough rushing plays are called in the 4thQ because of McD. Yards =/= attempts.

This thread is actually about Stevan Ridley and his lack of involvement in the offense.

I have never once said anything about McDaniels not running the ball in the fourth quarter, I pointed out the splits to those who claim Ridley earned his yards in garbage time, the splits clearly show that not to be the case.

2) You are making this assumption based solely on Ridley. Not the whole team. Just Ridley (a player who has already been benched, at that).

If I wanted to talk about the entire team I wouldn't have titled it that the team is 7-0 when Stevan Ridley carries 20+ times.

3) For someone who keeps saying "check the splits!" you still haven't checked them. But oh look! I just did....and you are completely and utterly wrong in your criticism of McD's 4th Q playcalling:

New England Patriots 2013 Offensive Splits - Pro-Football-Reference.com

PatriotsSplits_zps1ae10762.png

Sorry I assumed someone who calls other people dumb would be smart enough to understand I was referring to Stevan Ridley's splits. The splits you've posted are the teams, so to clarify I think you should check Stevan Ridley's splits.
 
Ridley gets 20+ in games where we have a 4th quarter lead. The Pats rarely blow 4th quarter leads. Not surprised that the Pats are 7-0 when Ridley gets 20+.
 
Re: Re: Patriots 7–0 when Ridley carries 20+ times since the start of 12'

lol qft +100000

Just so you know you can't add words and numbers together...
 
It's beginning to become a trend for me that every week I watch these games and wonder why the hell is Ridley being so under-utilized. Why are Bolden and Blount being so over-utilitzed when Ridley is far better? It's not even close either. I just don't get it. It's one of the more confounding things with this year's team.
 
Re: Re: Patriots 7–0 when Ridley carries 20+ times since the start of 12'

Ridley gets 20+ in games where we have a 4th quarter lead. The Pats rarely blow 4th quarter leads. Not surprised that the Pats are 7-0 when Ridley gets 20+.

He had 20 carries for 98 yards and 2 touchdowns against the Saints we won that game in the last minute of it.
 
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