Jets alerted Refs to look for Illegal FG Push

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

The tuck rule was called 15-20 times per year, both before and after the Oakland-NE call, according to Mike Pereira, so the efforts to lump a call make ~200 times over a decade to a call made once is more than a little goofy.

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OK then, whatever, I don't believe for a second that it was called that many times per season. And the point was not knowing a rule doesn't make it something that shouldn't be called, not how many times it was called.

LF911SC said:

Not getting why anyone is so sure the Pats would move into FG position as if it were a given. The game didn't say that.

Given that Rex admitted he didn't know who was flagged, highly unlikely that they alerted anyone.

I didn't know the tuck rule but I argued a rule is a rule and the call was right.

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Again here is the part where I'm thinking English is your second language and something is getting lost in translation.

The patriots would have had a CHANCE to move into field goal range from past the 40, instead the jets got 15 yards, a new set of downs and free chipshot field goal after missing a field goal.

400+ field goals so far this year and this is REally the first time it happened? no this wasn't even the first time THIS game this happened. Both teams did it, and the patriots got called on the single most CRUCIAL opportunity. It prevent the jets from earning the win, and it prevented the patriots from having an opportunity to attempt to win it.

LF911SC said:

Not getting why anyone is so sure the Pats would move into FG position as if it were a given. The game didn't say that.

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From the NE 46, 25 yards would get them to the 39, for a 46-yarder, probably a 90% attempt for Gostkowski.

Look at the Patriots 4th quarter drives:
10 plays, 62 yards
6 plays, 16 yards
12 plays, 66 yards

25 yards was surely not a given, but was far more likely than not. The game does say exactly that.

LF911SC said:

Jets homer glasses?

What possibly makes you sure the Pats would have won without the call?

The Jets owned every stat advantage, don't make it out that they needed help. They won the game, the homers are the ones crying that a win was taken away.

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Go back to your fat clown Rex Ryan. He is the worstest coach in the NFL. The Pats are all-class and won that game yesterday. NFL referees have been kissing Geno Smif's butt for years and discriminating against Belichick and Brady.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

From the NE 46, 25 yards would get them to the 39, for a 46-yarder, probably a 90% attempt for Gostkowski.

Look at the Patriots 4th quarter drives:
10 plays, 62 yards
6 plays, 16 yards
12 plays, 66 yards

25 yards was surely not a given, but was far more likely than not. The game does say exactly that.

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As far as I'm concerned it happened. The refs kept the flag in the pocket, the Pats got the ball and moved down the field and won the game with a td pass, not a fg.

34-27 Pats


Jets season is still a trainwreck. I love ESPN.

...can you imagine the outrage if this was called on the Jets and Pats win the game:bricks:...jeez, we wouldn't hear the end of it.
So, look at the bright side, we get a real argument that not all calls go Pats way...i know i know, we have lots and lots of those, but this one cannot be denied. Squish the fish on Sunday and all is well again.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

From the NE 46, 25 yards would get them to the 39, for a 46-yarder, probably a 90% attempt for Gostkowski.

Look at the Patriots 4th quarter drives:
10 plays, 62 yards
6 plays, 16 yards
12 plays, 66 yards

25 yards was surely not a given, but was far more likely than not. The game does say exactly that.

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And the first drive in OT?

6 points after the half.

The game does not say that.

Without help the Pats struggled to score on the Jets in both games. Neither game said more likely than not the Pats would score.

I think it was the ghost of Sal Alosi who alerted the Refs.

If this was the other way around, and it was New England who "alerted refs" to look for illegal FG pushes, a bunch of ignorant dumbfvcks would be claiming we "cheated". :ugh:

LF911SC said:

OK then, whatever, I don't believe for a second that it was called that many times per season.

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I think that the then-supervisor of officials would have a more informed opinion than you:

Pereira said there might not be a way to craft a version of the rule that would be more palatable to coaches, players and fans. "To this point, we haven't been able to come up with one," he said. "A lot of very bright minds on the competition committee have discussed it. But you don't change a rule just to change a rule. You have to change it to a rule that you can officiate."

Pereira said the rule comes up in games about 12 to 15 times per season and the application of it usually is clear-cut -- although not always as "obvious," he said, as it was last weekend on the Plummer play.

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Tuck Rule Hard to Grasp


disclaimer: I know of no Patriots fans who thought, at any point, that the tuck rule was a good rule. It should have never existed. But when it existed from 1999-2012 it was enforced regularly, so an official should not have the power in 2002 to simply decide to ignore the rule.

12 times a year (the low estimate) for 14 years means ~168 tuck rule calls. The high estimate (15 per year) means ~210 tuck rule calls in 14 years.

Smart move by Rex and the coaching staff

jb1095 said:

per bleacher report...unreal

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What's "unreal" about it?

That the Jets were smart enough to try to get every advantage the rules allow them? Their organization is so ******* dumb, yeah, I guess it is unreal that they could actually do something that smart.

If they did that, I admire them for it.

What? You think Belichick doesn't have a list an arm long every week of things he wants the Refs to notice about the other team?

LF911SC said:

Actually, the Jets outplayed the Pats and if not for a dive and a hideous OPI call in the EZ the game would have been decided a lot earlier.

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So when did they change the rule that a receiver can extend both arms into a defender?

LF911SC said:

And the first drive in OT?

6 points after the half.

The game does not say that.

Without help the Pats struggled to score on the Jets in both games. Neither game said more likely than not the Pats would score.

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Look here, we have a new born concern troll. Please go back where you came from. no one will miss you.

LF911SC said:

And the first drive in OT?

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that drive netted 16 yards.

Repeating it, starting at the NE 46, would have gotten the Patriots to the 38 yard line for a 55 yard Gostkowski FG attempt.

So repeating their worst possession of their last 4 would have gotten them about a 50-50 shot at a win.

You seem to be unable to grasp the significance of getting the ball near midfield, rather than backed up deep in your own territory. Not surprising though, given your fandom.

In life's gene pool, Jets fans are always on the shallow end.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

I think that the then-supervisor of officials would have a more informed opinion than you:




Tuck Rule Hard to Grasp


disclaimer: I know of no Patriots fans who thought, at any point, that the tuck rule was a good rule. It should have never existed. But when it existed from 1999-2012 it was enforced regularly, so an official should not have the power in 2002 to simply decide to ignore the rule.

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He meant it came up within the competition committee, not in games. They wanted to change it for years and couldn't agree on a different rule.

Makes no difference, rule was right, call was legit

PATRlOT said:

If this was the other way around, and it was New England who "alerted refs" to look for illegal FG pushes, a bunch of ignorant dumbfvcks would be claiming we "cheated". :ugh:

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Do you really think the Ref's pay any attention to what BB says. You have to be connected to the competition committee like Polian and Dungy or even better have a former employee as commissioner like POS Goodell.

Palm Beach Pats Fan said:

that drive netted 16 yards.

Repeating it, starting at the NE 46, would have gotten the Patriots to the 38 yard line for a 55 yard Gostkowski FG attempt.

So repeating their worst possession of their last 4 would have gotten them about a 50-50 shot at a win.

You seem to be unable to grasp the significance of getting the ball near midfield, rather than backed up deep in your own territory. Not surprising though, given your fandom.

In life's gene pool, Jets fans are always on the shallow end.

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You can't seem to grasp that rules apply to your team and the flag was thrown because they committed a penalty and lead to a loss.

As someone on the low end of the gene pool I understand it, you don't get it. Where does that leave you?

LF911SC said:

He meant it came up within the competition committee, not in games.

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read what he said in 2005 in my link:

Pereira: the rule comes up in games about 12 to 15 times per season

Reading is not that hard. Please ask your Mom for help. We can't, on a message board, help you escape the short bus. You have to want it!

PATRlOT said:

If this was the other way around, and it was New England who "alerted refs" to look for illegal FG pushes, a bunch of ignorant dumbfvcks would be claiming we "cheated". :ugh:

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I should also add to my post after seeing Polamalu jump over the line of scrimmage this week, that if he was on our team, ignorant dumbfvcks would claim it's "cheating" however I haven't seen a single thing uttered since he's obviously not on the Pats.

There's no questioning people's disguised hate as pure jealousy of the Patriots, their QB, and their success. I laughed out loud when I saw Tom Brady voted as one of the "most hated" players by fans. Whereas he was voted as one of the "most liked" among actual players around the league.