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I am very interested in looking at your screen print, but it is way the heck too small. Do you have a larger version you can share?

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Here is the blown up part of the relevant text. Sorry I'm not good with this type of stuff.
 

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You misquote the article in your quote.



says nothing about "2nd level"

The rule never directly said anything about 2nd level.

It said

Team B players not on the line of scrimmage at the snap cannot push players on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.

Jones was on the line of scrimmage at the snap, that is why Belichick was yelling at the refs that he was on the line.

You think a little rule like this is getting by Belichick? He had this rule memorized the minute he saw it.
 
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Here is the blown up part of the relevant text. Sorry I'm not good with this type of stuff.
OK thanks. I admit it's pretty shady the way this exact situation was added to that page late this afternoon, but it does say the rule proposal was amended before it was passed. So it looks to me like the guy who wrote the article messed up. He wrote the article based on the original rule change proposal, but not the final rule change.

I found an article from August 8 that says "Defensive players also can't push down linemen into the offensive line. That will result in a 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalty." It doesn't specify anything about the pusher being on or not on the LOS, it simply says defensive players can't push down linemen.

NFL announces rule changes for 2013 season - SBNation.com

Here's another article saying "Defensive teams can not push their teammates into the offensive formation on field goal or extra point attempts" again with no clarification exempting those on or not on the LOS

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...ges-elimination-tuck-rule-peel-190327171.html
 
Yes it does. Look at my screen print. They are now scrubbing the site of it.

I am not sure where you are getting your links, but here is pertinent part of the rule cut and pasted from the NFL rule book link that was posted earlier . . .

DEFENSIVE TEAM FORMATION

Article 3: Defensive Team Formation

(a) When Team A presents a punt, field-goal, or Try Kick formation, a Team B player, who is within one yard of the line of scrimmage, must have his entire body outside the snapper’s shoulder pads at the snap.

(b) When Team A presents a field-goal or Try Kick formation:

(1) No more than six Team B players may be on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper at the snap; and

Note: These restrictions do not apply if a team does not present a standard punt, field goal, or Try Kick formation (an equal number of players on the line of scrimmage on either side of the snapper in a tight formation), or if, after the offensive team has assumed a set position, there is a shift, or a player goes in motion.

Penalty: For illegal formation by the defense: Loss of five yards.

(2) Team B players cannot push teammates on the line of scrimmage into the offensive formation.

Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards.



B(2) seems pretty clear to me. And nothing is mentioned about the offending playing being from the "second" level . . .

And when we honestly look at the play we see it being a long FG attempt so the angle of the kick will be lower so a D-line push is key, also, the guy that was in front nearly got to the ball . . . so it was not like a penalty that occurred away from the play, the offending contact was on the player that was the closest to the ball . . .

We all of the above said, if they had not called it, likely no one would of noticed . . . also, it was one of those new rules you wish they would have enforced earlier in the season or even in preseason, to get the teams warmed up to it . . .

I gotta think this has happened before and as such we were kind of lack and did not think it would be call . . .

it is one of those frustrating things, it is technically a correct call, but if they let it go, no one would of complained . . .
 
OK thanks. I admit it's pretty shady the way this exact situation was added to that page late this afternoon, but it does say the rule proposal was amended before it was passed. So it looks to me like the guy who wrote the article messed up. He wrote the article based on the original rule change proposal, but not the final rule change.

I found an article from August 8 that says "Defensive players also can't push down linemen into the offensive line. That will result in a 15 yard unnecessary roughness penalty." It doesn't specify anything about the pusher being on or not on the LOS, it simply says defensive players can't push down linemen.

NFL announces rule changes for 2013 season - SBNation.com

Here's another article saying "Defensive teams can not push their teammates into the offensive formation on field goal or extra point attempts" again with no clarification exempting those on or not on the LOS

Y! SPORTS

Except somehow Belichick also didn't know that the rule was changed.
 
Did the ref that made the call remember the new rule all of a sudden before the play?

was he reminded by "someone"???

strange situational stuff
 
Jones was on the line of scrimmage at the snap, that is why Belichick was yelling at the refs that he was on the line.

You think a little rule like this is getting by Belichick? He had this rule memorized the minute he saw it.
It's actually pretty amazing that Belichick knew the rule this well, but it looks like even he is just human. He knew the rule as it was originally proposed, but not as it was ultimately passed. :(
 
By the way, on Gost's game tying kick, the Jets were pushing in the back. Even more obviously than the one on Jones.
 
I am not sure where you are getting your links, but here is pertinent part of the rule cut and pasted from the NFL rule book link that was posted earlier . . .

I was getting my information from 1) NFL.com 2) Bill Belichick. Both seemed to think that as long as Jones started from the LOS then it wasn't a penalty.


The NFL.com link which I posted the screen print of shows what I am saying. Who's to say that the rulebook wasn't updated as well?
 
By the way, on Gost's game tying kick, the Jets were pushing in the back. Even more obviously than the one on Jones.

Hilarious. Guess the ref just happened to remember the rule a few minutes later.
 
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Here is the blown up part of the relevant text. Sorry I'm not good with this type of stuff.

So, Smerlas and his sidekick were right.
 
By the way, on Gost's game tying kick, the Jets were pushing in the back. Even more obviously than the one on Jones.

I was looking for this, do you have footage anywhere?
 
You think a little rule like this is getting by Belichick? He had this rule memorized the minute he saw it.

Exactly.

For Belichick to make the distinction at all tells us something. The rule came into play this year. There's a reason he's talking about second level.

AND, something else, before people start citing the rulebook. The rule out there says the penalty is 15 yards for roughing. Meanwhile, the refs think it's 15 yards for unsportsmanlike conduct.

This is what's happening: they are not clear about the rule, and they haven't defined it the same way multiple times.
 
What's even stupider about the rule is the consequence.

15 yard penalty and automatic first down for this? What a joke.
 
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