Thru week 6 Amendola has only proven his critics correct…

Brady6 · Oct 14, 2013

I'm done in here boys no hard feelings I'm not impressed with Amendola thru 6 games, if you are that's all well in good. I think I have said what I wanted from every consevable angle so I'm going to walk away now. Have a great day everyone!

DaBruinz · Oct 14, 2013

Brady6 said:
In my world facts are facts, if I wanted to fight about things that don’t matter or make sure everything I say has the correct level of sensitivity I would go fight with my wife, she lacks the ability to segment discussions and like in this thread turns everything into this broad scope discussion in order to avoid actualities. I don’t do that, just like I don’t ignore the lights that come on when I am flying a plane at work because eventually the reality sets in that despite my best effort to ignore that light being on the reality of the light is now setting in and we’re about to crash into the Atlantic ******* ocean because I was to ******* stupid to realize that just because the plane wasn’t doing a nose dive just yet didn’t mean that light being on was not a big deal.

It becomes exhausting to try and have a discussion in here sometimes and it is a shame, things don’t have to be this difficult people should be able to disagree without attacking each other **** say Brady6 I like to pretend the world is roses and butterflies I will say cool bro sorry to **** with your vibe, just don’t come running at me spewing insults and acting superior when you’re not even taking them time to provide any justification for your response, like Obama standing at the podium telling congress your wrong you morons, do you think that would go over too well in the general public?

No, facts are not facts in your world. If they were, we wouldn't be having these idiotic threads started by you. In your world, the only facts are what YOU claim they are. A perfect example is you using the combine weights of Amendola and Edelman as some kind of "fact" that Edelman is bigger than Amendola. You ignore the potential that Amendola could have put on weight since then.

You rounded up the 5'10 3/8 of Edelman to 5'11. That's not fact. That is you rounding up because you don't want to be seen as foolish. Edelman is 5'10 and 3/8 and Amendola is 5'10 and 4/8. One had 14 reps on the bench. The other had 13. That is essentially identical.

And, as I pointed out. Welker had a worse shuttle than Amendola and worse 3-cone and shuttle than Edelman but no one in their right mind would say that Edelman is quicker than Welker.

The problem with you, Brady6, is that plenty of people have provided actual fact to you and you have dismissed it regularly.

Brady6 · Oct 14, 2013

Re: Re: Thru week 6 Amendola has only proven his critics correct…

DaBruinz said:
No, facts are not facts in your world. If they were, we wouldn't be having these idiotic threads started by you. In your world, the only facts are what YOU claim they are. A perfect example is you using the combine weights of Amendola and Edelman as some kind of "fact" that Edelman is bigger than Amendola. You ignore the potential that Amendola could have put on weight since then.

You rounded up the 5'10 3/8 of Edelman to 5'11. That's not fact. That is you rounding up because you don't want to be seen as foolish. Edelman is 5'10 and 3/8 and Amendola is 5'10 and 4/8. One had 14 reps on the bench. The other had 13. That is essentially identical.

And, as I pointed out. Welker had a worse shuttle than Amendola and worse 3-cone and shuttle than Edelman but no one in their right mind would say that Edelman is quicker than Welker.

The problem with you, Brady6, is that plenty of people have provided actual fact to you and you have dismissed it regularly.

Link please?!

TriplecHamp · Oct 14, 2013

Here is the other angle: Their helmets do make contact but Bush' shoulder hits Amendola first. When their helmets do make contact, its with the side of bush' helmet. Hit=legal

manxman2601 · Oct 14, 2013

Brady6 said:
Link please?!

He's right. It's all on NFLDraftScout.

Sciz · Oct 14, 2013

Brady6 said:
I'm confused so you are telling me Amendola has played well and silenced the critics through 6 games?

Regardless if what he's done so far, you're completely misusing the word "proven."

Deus Irae · Oct 14, 2013

manxman2601 said:
He's right. It's all on NFLDraftScout.

Ehhh.... Edelman was bigger (by 3 pounds) and faster, which means that Brady6 got 2 of 3 correct.

manxman2601 · Oct 14, 2013

Deus Irae said:
Ehhh.... Edelman was bigger (by 3 pounds) and faster, which means that Brady6 got 2 of 3 correct.

I was referencing Dabruinz's post to which Brady6 requested a link ie the heights, the reps and that both have better 3cones than Welker.

VOODOOZF · Oct 14, 2013

The point the original poster was trying to make is correct and I don't see how anyone can argue with him... The fact of the matter is that Amendola has a long track record of not being healthy enough to contribute on the field. Case closed. It isn't even worth arguing.

We all agree that he is a very talented guy, but going forward the Patriots simply cannot depend on him to be a major part of the offense due to his never ending parade of injuries.

To make matters worse Wes Welker scored his 8th td yesterday and is on track to have 21 td's 100 catches and over 1,000 yrds rec and most importantly play 16 games (as usual)

Amendola will be lucky to play 8 games...Fact of the matter is Amendola has proven his critics correct thus far. The Patriots dropped the ball in letting Welker leave and signing Amendola.

P.S. I don't have anything against the guy and hope he is ok after seemingly being knocked out before he hit the ground.

TriplecHamp · Oct 14, 2013

VOODOOZF said:
The point the original poster was trying to make is correct and I don't see how anyone can argue with him... The fact of the matter is that Amendola has a long track record of not being healthy enough to contribute on the field. Case closed. It isn't even worth arguing.

We all agree that he is a very talented guy, but going forward the Patriots simply cannot depend on him to be a major part of the offense due to his never ending parade of injuries.

To make matters worse Wes Welker scored his 8th td yesterday and is on track to have 21 td's 100 catches and over 1,000 yrds rec and most importantly play 16 games (as usual)

Amendola will be lucky to play 8 games...Fact of the matter is Amendola has proven his critics correct thus far. The Patriots dropped the ball in letting Welker leave and signing Amendola.

P.S. I don't have anything against the guy and hope he is ok after taking seemingly being knocked out before he hit the ground.

still too early to say the Pats dropped the ball on anything.

Deus Irae · Oct 14, 2013

manxman2601 said:
I was referencing Dabruinz's post to which Brady6 requested a link ie the heights, the reps and that both have better 3cones than Welker.

I have DB on ignore, but I believe that line of posts all started with the post Brady6 made about Edelman being "bigger/faster/stronger" than Amendola, which was followed up by a (quoted) DB post insisting that Brady6 was incorrect. That's what I was referring to. Apologies for any confusion.

manxman2601 · Oct 14, 2013

Deus Irae said:
I have DB on ignore, but I believe that line of posts all started with the post Brady6 made about Edelman being "bigger/faster/stronger" than Amendola, which was followed up by a (quoted) DB post insisting that Brady6 was incorrect. That's what I was referring to. Apologies for any confusion.

I figured that.

Brady6 · Oct 14, 2013

DaBruinz said:
Edelman - 5'10 3/8 inches - 198 lbs - 4.52 (40), 3.92 (shuttle), 6.62 (3cone), 13 reps at 225
Amendola - 5'10 4/8 inches - 195 lbs - 4.68 (40), 4.25 (shuttle), 6.81 (3cone), 14 reps at 225
Welker - 5'8 6/8" - 195 lbs - 4.65(40), 4.01 (shuttle), 7.09 (3cone)

So, Edelman isn't bigger. Their benchpress are identical and you have no proof that one is actually stronger than the other on the field. What is your proof that Edelman is more agile other than the numbers from the combine. Which, btw, Welker showed to be quicker on the field than either Amendola or Edelman, yet their numbers were better than his.

manxman2601 said:
He's right. It's all on NFLDraftScout.

Not looking to jump back into this conversation but this is what I saw on NFL draft scout

Amendola
Height: 5104
Weight: 183 – 12 Lbs. lighter
40 Yrd Dash: 4.68
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13 – 1 rep less
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.25
3-Cone Drill: 6.81

Edelman
Height: 5103
Weight: 195
40 Yrd Dash: 4.52
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.52
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 14
Vertical Jump: 36 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.92
3-Cone Drill: 6.62

Danny Amendola*|*Texas Tech,*WR*:*2008 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Julian Edelman*|*Kent State,*WR*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

+12 Lbs. = Bigger
+1 Bench Rep = Stronger
-0.16 40 = Faster
-0.19 3 Cone = More Agile

Anyone who undervalues that 1 rep on the bench as no big deal either does a lot of anabolics or has never lifted weights. I never said Edelman was taller so the centimeter doesn't really play.

goheels22002 · Oct 14, 2013

Criticizing a man for getting hurt going full speed in an NFL game is unfair and ignorant.

How about a thread about Jerrod Mayo or Aquib Talib or Vince Wilfork or Tommy Kelly or Tom Brady in '08, or Drew Bledsoe in '01, etc, etc, etc, not living up to their contracts?

Football is a violent contact sport played by elite, fast, strong athletes. Injuries are a part of the game.

Danny Amendola busted his butt to get back from the hamstring tear so that he could get out there and contribute. I hope he's okay and gets cleared to play soon.

He got hit going full speed by two defenders simultaneously and his head was a point of impact. So far, the technology to protect the brain can't eliminate a concussion under those circumstances.

I also hope that some of the posters on here would emerge from their self-absorbed world and show a little understanding of the circumstances in which these young men perform, and have a little compassion for these guys when they get injured.

manxman2601 · Oct 14, 2013

Brady6 said:
Not looking to jump back into this conversation but this is what I saw on NFL draft scout

Amendola
Height: 5104
Weight: 183 – 12 Lbs. lighter
40 Yrd Dash: 4.68
20 Yrd Dash: 2.65
10 Yrd Dash: 1.51
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 13 – 1 rep less
Vertical Jump: 27 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.25
3-Cone Drill: 6.81

Edelman
Height: 5103
Weight: 195
40 Yrd Dash: 4.52
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.52
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 14
Vertical Jump: 36 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.92
3-Cone Drill: 6.62

Danny Amendola*|*Texas Tech,*WR*:*2008 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

Julian Edelman*|*Kent State,*WR*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

+12 Lbs. = Bigger
+1 Bench Rep = Stronger
-0.16 40 = Faster
-0.19 3 Cone = More Agile

Anyone who undervalues that 1 rep on the bench as no big deal either does a lot of anabolics or has never lifted weights. I never said Edelman was taller so the centimeter doesn't really play.

Like I said to Deus, I was strictly referencing that DB post to which you asked for a link and on the three points in that one post, DB was right. I wasn't taking issue with "bigger, faster, stronger".

VOODOOZF · Oct 14, 2013

goheels22002 said:
Criticizing a man for getting hurt going full speed in an NFL game is unfair and ignorant.

How about a thread about Jerrod Mayo or Aquib Talib or Vince Wilfork or Tommy Kelly or Tom Brady in '08, or Drew Bledsoe in '01, etc, etc, etc, not living up to their contracts?

Football is a violent contact sport played by elite, fast, strong athletes. Injuries are a part of the game.

Danny Amendola busted his butt to get back from the hamstring tear so that he get out there and contribute. I hope he's okay and gets cleared to play soon.

He got hit going full speed by two defenders simultaneously and his head was a point of impact. So far, the technology to protect the brain can't eliminate a concussion under those circumstances.

I also hope that some of the posters on here would emerge from their self-absorbed world and show a little understanding of the circumstances in which these young men perform, and have a little compassion for these guys when they get injured.

I not only have compassion for the man, I have legitimate concerns for Amendola's long term health after that hit. He is in our prayers.

That said, Danny Amendola is always hurt and as the original poster suggested he is proving his critics correct.

Deus Irae · Oct 14, 2013

goheels22002 said:
Criticizing a man for getting hurt going full speed in an NFL game is unfair and ignorant.

How about a thread about Jerrod Mayo or Aquib Talib or Vince Wilfork or Tommy Kelly or Tom Brady in '08, or Drew Bledsoe in '01, etc, etc, etc, not living up to their contracts?

Football is a violent contact sport played by elite, fast, strong athletes. Injuries are a part of the game.

Danny Amendola busted his butt to get back from the hamstring tear so that he get out there and contribute. I hope he's okay and gets cleared to play soon.

He got hit going full speed by two defenders simultaneously and his head was a point of impact. So far, the technology to protect the brain can't eliminate a concussion under those circumstances.

I also hope that some of the posters on here would emerge from their self-absorbed world and show a little understanding of the circumstances in which these young men perform, and have a little compassion for these guys when they get injured.

When the 'criticism' is that he's injury prone, pointing out yet another injury is an appropriate thing to do, and responses claiming "but... concussion.... hit" don't magically make the injury unhappen.

The fact is that those who were critics of the Amendola signing (either as a stand-alone signing or as a replacement for Welker signing) spent a lot of time pointing at Amendola's recent penchant for getting injured, and this start to his Patriots career has proven the critics' position on this issue to have been well founded.

Can a legitimate argument be made that Amendola could have protected himself better? Yup.

Can a legitimate argument be made that, if Amendola had given himself up in order to avoid injury, some people here would have been complaining that he didn't give his all trying to get the first down? Yup.

Was the timing of the thread poor, given how this site has become about this stuff in the past year or so? Yup.

Was the O.P. right, generally speaking, in noting that what's happened is what critics were saying was the problem? Yup.

Pretty much everything else has just been people trying to see who can piss farther and higher.

Rob0729 · Oct 14, 2013

TriplecHamp said:
clearly? lol

Show me where, Bush 1) lowers his head and 2) makes contact with the crown of his helmet. If there helmets did make contact it was with the side of Bush's facemask/helmet. Clearly a legal hit.

To me it looks pretty clear that it was a hit with the front part of the top of Bush's helmet. You think it clearly isn't. Without another angle neither will know for sure. Something knocked Amendola out and it wasn't shoulder to shoulder contact. Unless Amendola got knocked by the ground, there was clear helmet to helmet contact.

And Bush did lower his head. That is indisputable. Whether he intended to lead with his head or shoulder, he had to lower his head to make a legal tackle like that with his shoulder or his head. Lowering his head doesn't mean that he is looking face down and going like a battering ram.

emoney_33 · Oct 14, 2013

jb1095 said:
I see Amendola the same way, sometimes its good to go down...maybe yesterday is or isn't a good example of this but putting that injury aside, look at all his other ones...all of them different, and many people call that bad luck...its not bad luck...its poor decision making.

The hypothesis sounds plausible on the surface but doesn't seem to add up when we look at the details.

He dislocated his elbow putting his arm down in the turf to stay up while running. He dislocated his clavicle diving for a ball. He hurt his foot, he pulled his groin and he got concussed. None of these injuries have any sense of doing something out of the ordinary, refusing to go down, or fighting too hard. A couple of them are common football injuries and a couple are freak injuries from common plays.

A lot of people just seem to have a hard time accepting that luck happens and it is not a trait.

Rob0729 · Oct 14, 2013

TriplecHamp said:
Here is the other angle: Their helmets do make contact but Bush' shoulder hits Amendola first. When their helmets do make contact, its with the side of bush' helmet. Hit=legal

I never saw this angle. It looks more like a legal hit from this angle. From the other angle it looks clear that his helmet hit first, but this angle makes it far less conclusive. But even so, it isn't clear when he made contact first with his head or his helmet. It just makes it less likely he hit with his head first.

But then again, this is a side issue and not to the overall argument which I am done with - whether Amendola did anything wrong on the play to cause the injury. I still say whether it was a legal hit or an illegal hit, Amendola did nothing he shouldn't have and it was just a freak incident that rarely happens.

I will concede the argument whether it was an illegal hit argument since with more visual evidence, it looks I may be wrong.

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