A somewhat realistic trade that could make a lot of sense: TE Tony Gonzalez

patsinthesnow · Oct 8, 2013

Please Bill please

Ozymandias · Oct 8, 2013

DaBruinz said:
The whole discussion is about receivers. Not QB. Helps to read the post being replied to, Ozy.

The only "big talent" that Elway brought to be around his QB is Welker. Beyond that, he's done squat. My statement stands.

That's funny, because nowhere was it stated by yourself or anyone else that you were only talking about receivers. Your statement that he hasn't done squat other than Welker was false. I corrected you on it.

If you wanted to be politically correct, then you should've said Elway hadn't acquired anything but Welker when it comes to receivers. You didn't say that, so it ain't my problem. Move on.

AzorianPats · Oct 8, 2013

Uncle Rico said:
Media catching on:

Doug Kyed ‏@DougKyedNESN 7m
I wonder how quickly Tony Gonzalez can learn a new offense.

Yea, by the grace of God if that trade was to happen. Just remember who originally brought this up ?

SVN · Oct 8, 2013

Uncle Rico said:
Media catching on:

Doug Kyed ‏@DougKyedNESN 7m
I wonder how quickly Tony Gonzalez can learn a new offense.

Not going to happen. This isnt baseball or basketball. Imagine if ATL trades him after 1-4 with jones gone. What does it say about their gm and mike smith.? Would be an absolute dumb move to give up on the season at 1-4 . Takes a couple of bad games/injuries for the lions or bears or packers to be knocked back and falcons can be back in contention. We need help but doesnt mean every team out there is willing for a higher draft pick after 5 games.

JMC00 · Oct 8, 2013

Andy Gresh is having a meltdown about this idea.

PATRlOT · Oct 8, 2013

SVN said:
Not going to happen. This isnt baseball or basketball. Imagine if ATL trades him after 1-4 with jones gone. What does it say about their gm and mike smith.? Would be an absolute dumb move to give up on the season at 1-4 . Takes a couple of bad games/injuries for the lions or bears or packers to be knocked back and falcons can be back in contention. We need help but doesnt mean every team out there is willing for a higher draft pick after 5 games.

It's not so much about "giving up". I think it's more a move out of respect for Gonzalez and giving him the best shot at a SuperBowl in his [likely to be] last year.

Just IMAGINE having Gronk and Gonzalez with opposing teams trying to stop them.

ARE YOU IMAGINING? I would sure as hell give up a 3rd-4th round pick for a VERY VERY good chance at winning a SuperBowl!

Sciz · Oct 8, 2013

SVN said:
Not going to happen. This isnt baseball or basketball. Imagine if ATL trades him after 1-4 with jones gone. What does it say about their gm and mike smith.? Would be an absolute dumb move to give up on the season at 1-4 . Takes a couple of bad games/injuries for the lions or bears or packers to be knocked back and falcons can be back in contention. We need help but doesnt mean every team out there is willing for a higher draft pick after 5 games.

They can wait three more games, though. If they're 1-7 or 2-6, then can they give up?

SVN · Oct 8, 2013

PATRlOT said:
It's not so much about "giving up". I think it's more a move out of respect for Gonzalez and giving him the best shot at a SuperBowl in his [likely to be] last year.

Just IMAGINE having Gronk and Gonzalez and trying to stop them. ARE YOU IMAGINING? I would sure as hell give up a 3rd-4th round pick for a VERY VERY good chance at winning a SuperBowl!

I wont. 3rd rounder for 1 TE for 1 yr to come in and play in another system ? . Is he the missing piece right now on this team ? Think about it again. Maybe you feel that way but I dont. If we give a 3rd rounder or a 4th Rounder for a DT Iam in. Everyone applauded ATL for giving up a ton of picks for Julio Jones. He is a terrific player for them . But how has that helped their defensive depth ? Not much. They are 1 and 4 with him this yr.
And once again, "a move out of respect for Gonzalez and giving him the best shot at a SuperBowl " is also sort of giving up . They could trade him to the broncos too for that reason , or back to KC where he came from.

SVN · Oct 8, 2013

Sciz said:
They can wait three more games, though. If they're 1-7 or 2-6, then can they give up?

Look,I dont think ATL has any chance this season as do they. But they cant take actions to show giving up after 1 and 4. And if they really want to respect gonzalez, they are going to ask him if he wants to be released or traded .Its also on the player. Giants/Steelers also can trade players but they havent. Plus Offensive skill positions are even harder to learn in this system. Personally I want the current crop to work together and get better and pats really use any picks if they are going to , to build interior defensive depth. That is what is going to make a difference in the end.

Uncle Rico · Oct 8, 2013

JMC00 said:
Andy Gresh is having a meltdown about this idea.

I'm getting some unpleasant visuals on this.

PATRlOT · Oct 8, 2013

Also -

If Belichick was willing to take a projected UDFA/7th rounder in the 2ND ROUND (Tavon Wilson)....

...he better have and should have the balls to trade something like a 4th rounder for Gonzalez (a proven talent, hungry for a championship, dramatically increases chances of getting to & winning the SuperBowl)

Thirdbasekid24 · Oct 8, 2013

Sciz said:
They can wait three more games, though. If they're 1-7 or 2-6, then can they give up?

Would waiting 3 weeks drive down his price value?

borg · Oct 8, 2013

There is a 5-0 team Gonzalez has a connection with that could use his services and be a feel good NFL swan song. Alex Smith is playing some nice conservative QB....but to beat Denver, he needs more options.
Two birds/one stone....seems more plausible. But you never know

Bobs My Uncle · Oct 8, 2013

Gonzo traded back to KC makes the most sense to me. If the Pats make any trade I hope it is for a DT.

borg · Oct 8, 2013

Bobs My Uncle said:
Gonzo traded back to KC makes the most sense to me. If the Pats make any trade I hope it is for a DT.

Makes the most sense for HIM....as well

BradyFTW! · Oct 8, 2013

JMC00 said:
Ya Pats trading a 4th round pick for a good TE for the season will kill their future.

Gostkowksi and Josh Boyce are the only 4th round picks on the roster from the last 10 drafts.

In 2011 they traded their 3rd and 4th round pick for a 7th round pick (Malcom Williams) and a 2012 2nd round pick (Tavon Wilson)

And in 2012 they used the 4th rounder to trade up to get Hightower.

Yes, Hernandez was a 4th round pick but he's also a psychotic murderer who will be in jail the rest of his life.

Oh and the 4th round pick they used to get Randy Moss was actually from San Francisco in which Pats traded their '07 1st round pick for San Fran's '08 1st round (Jerod Mayo) and a '07 4th round pick which was used to get Moss.

And Bill actually got a 3rd round pick when he traded away Moss.

Ya but wasting a 4th round pick on Tony Gonzalez would be as bad as wasting a 5th and 6th on Chad Johnson and a 5th on Albert Haynesworth

I think you just accidentally made the case that 4th rounders are pretty valuable after all. Also, your last paragraph makes no sense. You listed two bad mistakes. The fact that trading for Gonzalez would be better than two abject failures of trades isn't exactly a ringing endorsement.

Realistically, I doubt anyone gives more than a 5th-6th rounder for Gonzalez, and Dimitroff is crazy if he's not working the phone right now. Given that they're clearly done for the year, the team should be focusing on getting snaps for Toilolo.

Ivan · Oct 8, 2013

Bobs My Uncle said:
Gonzo traded back to KC makes the most sense to me. If the Pats make any trade I hope it is for a DT.

The Gonzalez situation is unique in that he only came back for the ring, and while Atlanta isn't going to conceded their season yet they may reach that point by the deadline, in which case K.C. clearly has a major advantage. but iof they could get him for a 4th then do it, a 3rd is too high given the patriots needs next offseason.

I would love a DT but don't believe anyone will trade one worth having.

Gumby · Oct 8, 2013

RI Patriots fan said:
Despite the Falcons’ 1-3 start and sagging Super Bowl odds, tight end Tony Gonzalez remains steadfast that 2013 will be his last season in the NFL.

The future Hall of Famer returned for his 17th season after contemplating retirement after last season. But with the Falcons coming up 10 yards short of the Super Bowl, the team was able to broker a deal, which included a light training camp schedule, for Gonzalez to return.

“Obviously, it’s now or never,” Gonzalez said. “We have to be able to get a roll here pretty soon.”

Gonzalez hasn’t second-guessed his decision to return in light of the Falcons' start.

“You can’t keep chasing it,” Gonzalez said. “You can’t. I’ve chased it long enough. I’ve tried and I think I’ve chased it about three or four years longer than I thought I would. This is it.

In 2014, his base salary is $4.0 million with a roster bonus of $3 million if he plans to continue playing. A two-year deal was done in order to spread his bonus money out over two years.

- See more at: Falcons TE Tony Gonzalez remains steadfast that 2013 will be... | Atlanta Falcons | www.ajc.com

Don't waste your time even thinking about this trade....it isn't going to happen.

So, you are saying his 1-year rental cost is actually $2.5M [$4M * 10/16th games]?

SIGN THE BEAST!!!

Tony would be a great addition if even for a year. Yeah the loss of the 4th rounder would suck (especially since BB seems to have a lot more interest and get a lot more value out of the 3-4 rounds than he does the 1-2s. But for a trade that will likely never ever happen** ..... I kind of like it.

** (I think unlikely more for family reasons - his kids supposedly voted he could play one more year --- I doubt they voted for a year AWAY FROM HOME -- and that was main precondition on accepting Atl offer (that kids agreed))

Sciz · Oct 8, 2013

Thirdbasekid24 said:
Would waiting 3 weeks drive down his price value?

I feel like waiting three weeks could be the difference between the Falcons giving up on their season and not giving up on their season, so in a way it could lower his price from untouchable to a mid-late pick. I missed the fact that the Falcons have their bye, though, so only two more games for them. The worst record they could have at the trade deadline is 1-6.

SVN · Oct 8, 2013

I really think the team needs to shore up its defense more than worrying about trading for any offensive players. Whoever comes ,has to learn the system and get on page with brady. Why does anyone think , a offensive player will do that right away ? . Offense right now is not good but defense is really having some significant injuries and a very thin DLine. BB said a few yrs ago, you build your defense inside out. We are just one or two games from being exploited in this area and then the sky will really fall ....

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