Danny Amendola (hip) tore the adductor muscle; out 3-4 weeks

DropKickFlutie said:

It's ironic to bring up Welker's drops when the Pats receivers routinely drop balls all game as a unit. Fact is they could have had either player for the SAME MONEY and they chose Amendola. Welker went back to the Pats saying here's the number, I'll stay if you match, but they already went with another one of McDaniels' guys. All this is even worse with Brady taking that big pay cut and also the Pats sitting at $13M under the cap. Add Amendola to the list of spectacular rookies, ex-Ram or ex-Bronco acquisitions in the past year:

Greg Salas
Tim Tebow
Brandon Lloyd
Danny Amendola
Michael Hoomanawanui
Kenbrell Thompson
Aaron Dobson
Josh Boyce
Zach Sudfeld

There are going to be a ton of threads on Amendola all the way until he busts and leaves the team a few years from now. This is basically just like all the Laurence Maroney threads from 2006-2009. Another totally overrated, injury-prone player who homers will defend to death.

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maverick,

Wasn't going respond to your McDaniels bashing post since it belongs on some nutjob conspiracy theory site, but I am bored. So what the Hell.

• The Pats aren't $13 million under the cap. Miguel has them at $6.9 million and Overthecap.com have them at $8.9 million.
• Brady didn't take a pay cut. In fact, he made $3 million more this year than before his extension. Brady signed an extension (fully guaranteed) that if he is still elite in 2015 and beyond would be a pay cut. If not, it may be a great deal for him.
• So Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, and Sudfeld all played for either the Rams or Broncos under McDaniels? Rookies who have never played in the NFL before this year?
• If you are giving credit to McDaniels for those rookies, are you going to give him credit if any or all of them turn out to be good or great players?
• Tim Tebow didn't even make the roster. Who cares if the Pats brought him in to take a look at him and see if they could make him an NFL QB? It cost the Pats next to nothing. No harm, no foul.
• Lloyd still had 911 yards and 4 TDs last year. Did we expect better? Sure, but those are still solid #s for a # 2 WR. He might not have lived up to expectations, but he was a solid contributor to the Pats last year.

People make fun of NEM on this board, but at least he never went to the great lengths you do to smear the OC with ridiculous whack job conspiracy theory stuff.

Rob0729 said:

maverick,

Wasn't going respond to your McDaniels bashing post since it belongs on some nutjob conspiracy theory site, but I am bored. So what the Hell.

• The Pats aren't $13 million under the cap. Miguel has them at $6.9 million and Overthecap.com have them at $8.9 million.
• Brady didn't take a pay cut. In fact, he made $3 million more this year than before his extension. Brady signed an extension (fully guaranteed) that if he is still elite in 2015 and beyond would be a pay cut. If not, it may be a great deal for him.
• So Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, and Sudfeld all played for either the Rams or Broncos under McDaniels? Rookies who have never played in the NFL before this year?
• If you are giving credit to McDaniels for those rookies, are you going to give him credit if any or all of them turn out to be good or great players?
• Tim Tebow didn't even make the roster. Who cares if the Pats brought him in to take a look at him and see if they could make him an NFL QB? It cost the Pats next to nothing. No harm, no foul.
• Lloyd still had 911 yards and 4 TDs last year. Did we expect better? Sure, but those are still solid #s for a # 2 WR. He might not have lived up to expectations, but he was a solid contributor to the Pats last year.

People make fun of NEM on this board, but at least he never went to the great lengths you do to smear the OC with ridiculous whack job conspiracy theory stuff.

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Rob you seem to be an exceedingly bright guy. Do you honestly believe that Brady ONLY re structured his contract to make an extra 3 million? Or is the more likely scenario is that Brady agreed to re structure in order to give the team cap flexibility and/or the ability to re- sign / sign quality supporting personnel?

BrickPat said:

Rob you seem to be an exceedingly bright guy. Do you honestly believe that Brady ONLY re structured his contract to make an extra 3 million? Or is the more likely scenario is that Brady agreed to re structure in order to give the team cap flexibility and/or the ability to re- sign / sign quality supporting personnel?

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He restructured to give the Pats cap room. His reward was an extra $3 million up front.

But let's not make it sound like he put himself out to give the Pats' cap room. He did gamble on his future that in 2015 that if he is still elite that the Pats will be willing to restructure his deal again to pay him what he is worth. If they don't, then Brady takes a pay hit in 2015.

As I stated in another thread, Brady made this deal knowing full well that there was a realistic possibility that Welker was not going to be re-signed. Also, when he redid his deal, neither him nor the Pats knew that Hernandez was a murderer or that Gronk's infection would delay his back surgery so late into the offseason. I am sure the Pats would have made other contingency plans if they knew that.

This happens all the time. Players get credit for restructuring their deals by taking a "paycut" when they really don't take a significant or any pay hit. This is a raise for Brady unless he is playing under this extension in 2015 and he is still elite.

Just go ahead and put him on IR, and re-sign Ras-I, at least he can stay on the field!

How long does Edelman last with this workload and style of play. I shudder to think of this offense if he goes down.

B!tchers still b!tching 4 days after a win and we're off to a 2-0 start. BTW who's Kenbrell Thompson?

Rob0729 said:

maverick,

Wasn't going respond to your McDaniels bashing post since it belongs on some nutjob conspiracy theory site, but I am bored. So what the Hell.

• The Pats aren't $13 million under the cap. Miguel has them at $6.9 million and Overthecap.com have them at $8.9 million.
• Brady didn't take a pay cut. In fact, he made $3 million more this year than before his extension. Brady signed an extension (fully guaranteed) that if he is still elite in 2015 and beyond would be a pay cut. If not, it may be a great deal for him.
• So Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce, and Sudfeld all played for either the Rams or Broncos under McDaniels? Rookies who have never played in the NFL before this year?
• If you are giving credit to McDaniels for those rookies, are you going to give him credit if any or all of them turn out to be good or great players?
• Tim Tebow didn't even make the roster. Who cares if the Pats brought him in to take a look at him and see if they could make him an NFL QB? It cost the Pats next to nothing. No harm, no foul.
• Lloyd still had 911 yards and 4 TDs last year. Did we expect better? Sure, but those are still solid #s for a # 2 WR. He might not have lived up to expectations, but he was a solid contributor to the Pats last year.

People make fun of NEM on this board, but at least he never went to the great lengths you do to smear the OC with ridiculous whack job conspiracy theory stuff.

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I think his whole point is that Amendola is an injury prone ****** and taking him over Welker was an absolute mistake and I agree with that 100%. I mean, I avoided him at all cost the last couple years in fantasy BECAUSE of all his constant & nagging injuries. He also pointe dout a decent group of McDaniels players and appears to be theorizing that Josh McD(who failed everywhere but NE btw) is bringing in all his own guys and expunging the vets that are here...and I agree with that too.

Now I am not bashing McD here, and I think we need time to see how these players pan out(I totally don't count Tebow in this list as I knew he would not make the final cut the day they signed him anyway)...As far as Lloyd, I agree with you, he did ok last year, definitely not a bust...Did we want more? Hell yeah, we are spoiled rotten fans, but I would love to see him back THIS year at this point. He would be the best weapon we had at WR.

Well, that's fantastic. Good thing the team didn't make a move for other veterans that were worth a damn on top of the draft picks in case an injury, such as this one, were to happen to Amendola... yet again. And no, I don't count Jenkins, Hawkins, and Donald Jones.

In the Miss America pageant, Miss Florida got hurt during baton twirling practice.



I know that we all wish Miss Amendola a full and speedy recovery.

Just waiting for the "But, we still can't know if we'd have been better off with Welker than Amendola on the roster" posts.

PatsFanSince74 said:

Just waiting for the "But, we still can't know if we'd have been better off with Welker than Amendola on the roster" posts.

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I'm sorry, I thought we were currently undefeated. Would having welker have given us extra wins?


we had no problem winning pretty when welker was here, That didn't win any titles. How about we wait till we see something worth seeing before we start throwing hissy fits about having nothing but wins.

Even with his groin injury he was at likely to miss 3-4 weeks. Let's do the surgeries and expect to see him around week 8. They he can play a few games before he suffers another freak season ending injury....

Sciz said:

Ah yes, the PatsFans doctors.

"I knew he would tear his groin because he broke his collarbone last year!"

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*dislocated.

chasa said:

I'm sorry, I thought we were currently undefeated. Would having welker have given us extra wins?


we had no problem winning pretty when welker was here, That didn't win any titles. How about we wait till we see something worth seeing before we start throwing hissy fits about having nothing but wins.

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If the Pats hadn't played two rookie quarterbacks, they'd very likely be 0-2.

chasa said:

I'm sorry, I thought we were currently undefeated. Would having welker have given us extra wins?


we had no problem winning pretty when welker was here, That didn't win any titles. How about we wait till we see something worth seeing before we start throwing hissy fits about having nothing but wins.

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sure. whatever you say. but we pretty much have the scheduling gods to thank for that.

if you think we'd be 2--0 if we'd played some combination of Denver, Houston or New Orleans the last two weeks with Manning, Schaub or Brees at QB instead of two young QB's in their first and second NFL starts (whom we beat by a combined total of five points), I've got a great bridge down here in lower Manhattan to sell you. But, what do I know, I'm just throwing a hissy fit.

Kid~Brady said:

Screw games missed. Just open your eyes and see who's more durable. I don't care about any intangibles you bring to this argument, Welker plays in games, Amendola doesn't. Its really that simple, it really is.

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The problem here is the discussion of durability as a trait that has future predictability. We know that Welker has rarely missed a game and that Amendola has missed quite a few, but that tells us absolutely nothing in and of itself.

If we could guarantee every player in the NFL were equal in structural integrity and thereby at equal risk of injury, we would still expect a percentage of players to suffer strings of injuries, but there would be no future predictability in any of those players during their string of injuries.

When we look into Amendola's history in detail, we see injuries that are not related. A dislocated elbow and dislocated clavicle are really the 2 injuries that we saw with him. I am not a doctor and perhaps there is a physiological weakness that could lead to increased risk of dislocations of the elbow, clavicle and tear of the groin but I really find that hard to believe.

To put it in perspective, there are players who have not had a concussion and players who have had multiple. For the most part, it is dumb luck whether you get a concussion and while there are some things you can do to be at slightly higher or lower risk, there's really no correlation between past concussions and future concussions.

So if you want to discuss durability as a trait, you need to start at least getting into plausible causation, and not just limiting yourself to overly simplistic analysis of the very broad topic of total injuries.

KontradictioN said:

If the Pats hadn't played two rookie quarterbacks, they'd very likely be 0-2.

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you cant do that. its not like the patriots went into both games with everything going perfect. Thats a bullcrap cop out.

If the bills and jets had played against a patriots team that didn't have rookies all over the field they would have lost by a lot more.

on top of that those rookie QB's both have wins under their belt now, and the only losses the AFC east have gotten are division game loses.

emoney_33 said:

so if you want to discuss durability as a trait, you need to start at least getting into plausible causation, and not just limiting yourself to overly simplistic analysis of the very broad topic of total injuries.

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thank you!!

chasa said:

you cant do that. its not like the patriots went into both games with everything going perfect. Thats a bullcrap cop out.

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It's not a bull crap cop out. It's a statement of truth. The Jets and Bills both suck. The schedule is very forgiving early on in regard to the personnel the team is using in the passing game. Two better opponents, such as switching the Jets and Bills with the Bucs and Falcons, for example, might just yield (or have yielded) a 0-2 start. But the Pats played two terrible teams with rookie quarterbacks, which is why they are 2-0.

If the bills and jets had played against a patriots team that didn't have rookies all over the field they would have lost by a lot more.

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Maybe. But you can blame the Pats GM for that one. He decided to go with rookies and re-treads (even after Hernandez was incarcerated), stuck with just the rookies, Edelman, and Amendola, and now the passing offense has looked horrific through two weeks while we're waiting for Gronk to come back (either this week or next week) and for Amendola to come back (God knows when). But the circumstances surrounding this statement can be directly attributed to shoddy offseason personnel moves, which were personally overseen by Belichick.

on top of that those rookie QB's both have wins under their belt now, and the only losses the AFC east have gotten are division game loses.

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The Jets beat the Bucs on a questionable roughing call which put them in field goal range and the Bills beat the Panthers, who look terrible right now and have not been a good team for many years. I'm not sure how pointing to the Jets and Bills beating two bad teams helps your case that the Pats wouldn't have been 0-2 had they played better teams, when the Pats struggled to score 13 points in one of those games and didn't score a touchdown in the entire second half.

If the situations were reversed, and the Jets (or Broncos) were 2-0 while struggling the way we did in the first two games, most of you would be able to (logically) look at those games and say that the Jets aren't as good as their record indicates right now. But boy oh boy do a good amount of you have trouble applying your God-given critical thinking skills to this team.

KontradictioN said:

But the Pats played two terrible teams with rookie quarterbacks, which is why they are 2-0.



Maybe. But you can blame the Pats GM for that one.



The Jets beat the Bucs on a questionable roughing call which put them in field goal range and the Bills beat the Panthers, who look terrible right now and have not been a good team for many years.

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The panthers lost to the seahawks by 5, the seahawks that just blew out the 49's. Buffalo beat Carolina. those seahawks are a superbowl pick, and they had trouble putting the panthers down.

Tampa lost to the jets by 1 and the saints by 2. Lets say the jets are horrible, the saints are only 1 point better.

So yes, the Pats beat 2 "horrible" teams with Rookies at QB, But those rookies beat teams which you think are "horrible" but which gave other, Much better teams a ton of problems.

Its really getting obnoxious that some of you find things to complain about and twist the situation around to always make it look like the patriots are garbage. This is what rebuilding an offense looks like, And that rebuilding is 2 games above .500