Danny Amendola (hip) tore the adductor muscle; out 3-4 weeks

rlcarr said:

OK, doctor, please tell us exactly what in his history told us that.

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He is injury prone. How many games has he missed because of injury? What was the red flag when he came in? Why did he just miss the last game? Why is he going to miss the next 4-6 weeks?

Because he's injured.

History has told us he's likely going to get injured. And now he's injured. It's not like we're talking about someone who rarely misses games. It's someone who is often injured.

Some players are just injury prone. He'll be injured again next year with something else. Who knows what it will be, but he'll be injured again.

Sciz said:

Welker does not play in every game. He has exactly as many season-ending injuries as Amendola does.

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And there you have it. It's pointless to even argue with someone who will use this "fact" to compare durability between Welker and Amendola.

SoCal Pmen said:

I had recently read somewhere that this was the original plan. Had the Hernandez situation unfolded sooner, this likely would have been the reality. We'll see how creative this team gets with the existing cast.

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F**ing Aaron, f**s everything up. He needed to off that guy back in the spring.

rlcarr said:

It was pure luck that Welker's "nobody touched me but my knee blew out anyways" injury happened in Week 17. It equally as likely could have happened in Week 1 (or preseason) and then he'd have missed 15 (or 16) regular season games in a single season.

That's why comparing how many games players missed, absent proper context, is stupid.

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Not really...

Even if you were add a full 16 games missed to Welker's numbers, just for the hell of it, he'd still have missed fewer games in 9 years and change than Amendola's missed just in the past 2+ seasons. You don't really need any more context than that.

rlcarr said:

It was pure luck that Welker's "nobody touched me but my knee blew out anyways" injury happened in Week 17. It equally as likely could have happened in Week 1 (or preseason) and then he'd have missed 15 (or 16) regular season games in a single season.

That's why comparing how many games players missed, absent proper context, is stupid.

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Screw games missed. Just open your eyes and see who's more durable. I don't care about any intangibles you bring to this argument, Welker plays in games, Amendola doesn't. Its really that simple, it really is.

Deus Irae said:

Not really...

Even if you were add a full 16 games missed to Welker's numbers, just for the hell of it, he'd still have missed fewer games in 9 years and change than Amendola's missed just in the past 2+ seasons. You don't really need any more context than that.

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I really can't believe these buffoons debating this. Amendola is never around. Not on the field. Welker gave you week after week of consistent play and greatness.

condon84 said:

He is injury prone. How many games has he missed because of injury? What was the red flag when he came in? Why did he just miss the last game? Why is he going to miss the next 4-6 weeks?

Because he's injured.

History has told us he's likely going to get injured. And now he's injured. It's not like we're talking about someone who rarely misses games. It's someone who is often injured.

Some players are just injury prone. He'll be injured again next year with something else. Who knows what it will be, but he'll be injured again.

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Exactly. its that simple, the guy's just always hurt. Whether serious or not, the guy's never on the field. We call those bad investments.

Kid~Brady said:

Welker gave you week after week of consistent play and greatness.

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Well yeah, besides the PLAYOFF game after he blew out his knee, untouched and the Pats ended up going one and done.

Or the balls he dropped that would have clinched other PLAYOFF games. He's playing with the perfect QB right now for his "style" of play.

Not that anyone is going to like what I'm going to say but here it goes ...

Welker moved on, Pats moved on and we should too ! 2 weeks of anger, disappointment and what not has been spilled in this thread, so let the healing begin

Peace

The revisionist hatred of Welker proliferating on this board, combined with what is becoming a farcical defense of Amendola, who is quickly proving to be everything we feared he was going to be, is making discussions here nearly intolerable.

At least Amendola got injured in week 1 so he can be healthy enough to play in the wild card game should this team be lucky enough to make it there. However if he just breathes air in Boston for the next few weeks he may puncture his lung or develop a pulmonary embolism.

Welker is a HOF caliber player because of his performance and durability---he's not Cal Ripken, but still impressive nonetheless. Amendola is just a joke--he's the Carl Pavano of the NFL. These threads about Amendola being faster and taller than Welker are just ridiculous. Every WR in the NFL is taller and faster than Welker, but not too many come close to him from a durability standpoint.

Reggie Wayne is one of my favorite WRs of all time. He's clutch and durable. He's not the fastest guy I've ever seen, but he takes the biggest hits and will come back the next play and make an acrobatic grab and demoralize a team.

Kid~Brady said:

Screw games missed. Just open your eyes and see who's more durable. I don't care about any intangibles you bring to this argument, Welker plays in games, Amendola doesn't. Its really that simple, it really is.

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But Welker had one less drop today than Dobson had on Thursday.

If we are keeping score, Welker would have won this week just for being on the field. But he was relatively ineffective today. Would he have been in the Pats' offense? Maybe not. But Welker looked rather ordinary today and his drops have to be an issue. You count the punt return, he had two last week and three this week.

Yes, just being on the field for the next month or so gives Welker an edge. But unless he turns around his drops, you gotta wonder if he was as much the answer for this team as some think.

Rob0729 said:

But Welker had one less drop today than Dobson had on Thursday.

If we are keeping score, Welker would have won this week just for being on the field. But he was relatively ineffective today. Would he have been in the Pats' offense? Maybe not. But Welker looked rather ordinary today and his drops have to be an issue. You count the punt return, he had two last week and three this week.

Yes, just being on the field for the next month or so gives Welker an edge. But unless he turns around his drops, you gotta wonder if he was as much the answer for this team as some think.

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Welker was also drawing double coverage and/or the best DB the Giants had, allowing his teammates to thrive to the tune of a 41-23 victory, and has 11 receptions on 20 targets despite his 'off' day today. Amendola was watching the Patriots struggle to get 13 points. I know it's great fun for some of you to bash Welker now that he's gone, but it's really, really stupid to do so.

FWIW (and a big FWIW) my friend knows someone who works for the pats. He said he heard completely tore off the bone and Amendola is done for the year.

No idea how true this is. I suppose we will see if the pats starting looking to sign some receivers the next few days.

Deus Irae said:

Welker was also drawing double coverage and/or the best DB the Giants had, allowing his teammates to thrive to the tune of a 41-23 victory, and has 11 receptions on 20 targets despite his 'off' day today. Amendola was watching the Patriots struggle to get 13 points. I know it's great fun for some of you to bash Welker now that he's gone, but it's really, really stupid to do so.

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For someone playing the "Everyone who doesn't agree with me are foolish" card throughout this entire thread, you are all high and mighty.

And making up stats for Welker doesn't help your argument. He has had 12 catches on the season (and one catch wasn't really a catch, but John Harbaugh stupidily didn't challenge it) and only three today. Where did these 11 catches come from unless you are counting the season and the one catch he didn't catch even though he got credit for it? Welker had 3 catches for 39 yards and a TD today.

Welker has been decent in his first two games, but he certainly isn't what he was. Would he be an upgrade to the Pats receiving corp right now? Yes. Is he playing close to what he was? Not even close. He might in the Pats' offense, but right now is not nearly as good as you are make him out to be.

And I am not trying to trash Welker. I am stating facts. He has not been the player in the first two games that he was here. And he has dropped a lot of balls in two weeks. Those are facts.

Wrath Mania said:

The revisionist hatred of Welker proliferating on this board, combined with what is becoming a farcical defense of Amendola, who is quickly proving to be everything we feared he was going to be, is making discussions here nearly intolerable.

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I don't see what is at all revisionist about this, as plenty of people knew that drops were a big problem for Welker dating back to his past few seasons with the Pats. The "rare Welker drop," as every announcer seemed to say afterward, became the butt of many jokes on here. As many expected given Manning's ugly balls, Welker is dropping the ball at a higher rate than he ever did with the Pats. There's nothing revisionist about "Welker has had drop problems in the past and I anticipate that he will continue to" when that's exactly what happens.

And I think at least my stance on Amendola has been pretty clear the whole time. If he misses time, then that sucks but whatever. As long as the Patriots make the playoffs and Amendola is on the field for the playoffs, then I'm not going to trash him for it. He brings a little more upside (in my opinion, so don't bother starting an argument about that half of a sentence, Welker supporters), and the Pats have been lacking a little upside in the playoffs lately. So far, the Patriots are 1-0 without him, despite it being ugly, and he's projected to be back for the playoffs. Unless the Pats have a meltdown and miss the playoffs or Amendola suffers another injury, I don't anticipate being upset with him for missing time this season.

ensoul said:

FWIW (and a big FWIW) my friend knows someone who works for the pats. He said he heard completely tore off the bone and Amendola is done for the year.

No idea how true this is. I suppose we will see if the pats starting looking to sign some receivers the next few days.

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I would say your friend is off. I know the Pats are close to the vest on their medical stuff, but if he was done for the year there is no way they would be talking 3-4 weeks IF he has a hernia.

Rob0729 said:

For someone playing the "Everyone who doesn't agree with me are foolish" card throughout this entire thread, you are all high and mighty.

And making up stats for Welker doesn't help your argument. He has had 12 catches on the season and only three today. Where did these 11 catches come from? Welker had 3 catches for 39 yards and a TD today.

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I didn't make up stats. Welker had 9 catches on 11 targets last week, and 3 catches on 8 targets this week, per the ESPN box scores. As a matter of fact, I initially misread the numbers, taking away a catch and target by mistake. That's an error, not 'making it up', and fixing the mistake improves Welker's numbers as opposed to harming them.

Rob0729 said:

Welker has been decent in his first two games, but he certainly isn't what he was. Would he be an upgrade to the Pats receiving corp right now? Yes. Is he playing close to what he was? Not even close. He might in the Pats' offense, but right now is not nearly as good as you are make him out to be.

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He had one excellent game as a receiver, and an off game today. That happens to even the best, regardless of position or sport. Your argument is based upon nothing but your own bias, as has become your M.O. these past years.

Rob0729 said:

I would say your friend is off. I know the Pats are close to the vest on their medical stuff, but if he was done for the year there is no way they would be talking 3-4 weeks IF he has a hernia.

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Hope so as well. I personally think he was misinformed as if this was true pats would have already signed a WR.

Edelman has 20 catches for 157 yards so far this season

Using the borgoloid corollary

that two games determine the worth of a slot WR...Welker has 12 catches for 97 yards,

Welker extrapolates out , again using borgoloid logic, to 96 catches for 776 yards.

Edelman extrapolates out to 160 catches for 1256 yards.

Throwing in whatever Amendola gains as gravy, again, using the renowned Borgoloid Razor, Welker is clearly far better and the Pats sauck.

I'll stay a dumb homer, comfortable in my ignorance.