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Of course we can!

If you read anything I've written today, you would see I think BB/McDaniels should have BENCHED THEMSELVES for the brainfart of deciding to throw with 1;12 left in the first half, backed way up in our own territory. Instead of going to the lockerroom up 17-7, woops, interception and quick Buffalo TD lit up the crowd and put the Bills right back into the game.

Just because I disagreed with what Joker wrote about the vanilla defensive plan for today (and pointed out the Buffalo QB ammassed only 150 yards) YOU hyperventilated that this forum is a *********** and should be shut down.

The only one trying to squelch debate is you.

Calm down, Frances.[/

Also,not kicking the FG. Based on present circumstances, a more conservative approach is in order.

shmessy

Just ban that guy. If he's that irate over that defensive effort, he has zero business being on any football forum.
 
M two cents.

A win is a win, but there are only few positive things.

Amendola has skills. Impressive.

Is this Edelman's breakout year? Don't think he can be the next Wes Welker, but maybe he'll be a great weapon this year.

Vereen. Varenne. LEGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
This guy can run. This guy can cath. You're the best Shane.
LEGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Ridley.
He showed a lot of skills last year. Maybe he can be a top 10 RB in this league but... STOP TO LOSE THE FOOTBALL.

Sorry about Blount. He was impressive in the preseason, but yesterday he seems to be slow and predictable.

D#.
Mmmmh.

Ok, I saw a lot of good things by Chandler Jones and Arrington. He's impressive in the slot.

Gostkowski played well.
Allen played well as a holder. But, Ryan, you're also a punter.
There's a lot to improve. 19 yeard punt?

Anyway, Mesko didn't play a good game yesterday against the Titans.

Last, KT. He simply wasn't on the same page with Tom.
But I don't think he's not ready.
 
It's pretty obvious that the plan was to have Ninkovich and Jones keep contain and not allow Spiller or Manuel to get around the edge. The plan worked because Manuel only had 150 passing yards and Spiller had less than 2.5/YPC.

I'd rather that be the plan of action than trying to get sacks that results in big plays from over-pursuing. People are complaining about pressure when they're not looking at things in proper context instead are fixating on baseless statistics.
Ok, I'll concede to your points as I know the defense won the game for us and there were (seemingly) far more issues on offense than defense.

But, I never talked about sacks. I was indicating pressure or even perceived pressure. Manuel did complete 67% of his passes though his total of 150 yards means he was taking his underneath routes and our guys were pretty quick to take the receivers/backs down quickly.

If that was a non-rookie qb, it could have been ugly for us. but, I agree about the main objective being contain. So we'll have to see what happens with the defense on a pocket QB. If it's the same level of pressure it could get ugly.

But, team defense wasn't the issue yesterday. They gave the offense a short field to work with twice (for their 2 touchdowns) by forcing fumbles and the offense only had 1 sustained drive which they fumbled and 2 decent drives that ended in FGs
 
1. Its not going to me mentioned a whole lot, but the Pats DID rush for 162 yds today on just 30 carries (5.4/ypc) Also don't forget that the Bills' front 7 is as good as anyone's It is clear to me that as the season goes on the Pats running game is going to be in the top 10 in the league.

Solder and Mankins were beasts.

2. To keep it on the running game for the next few comments. Shane Vareen showed flashes on why he will be looked on as one of BB's 2nd round successes. Good explosion, runs down hill,and is an excellent receiver. And looked like he blocked pretty well. Definitely and upgrade over Danny Woodhead.

If he can stay healthy he has the talent to be better than Kevin Faulk which is really saying something.

3. I don't think BB should have bench Ridley for the entire game, Sure sit him down for the rest of the half, but not for the entire game. The Bills didn't sit down Spiller after his fumble, nor would most teams sit down their top RB after a fumble. Especially when essentially the ground caused the fumble when he slipped. Brady's fumble was just as egregious and I didn't see anyone calling for him to sit down.

Brady hadn't fumbled in some insane length of time. Last game that mattered before this more Ridley coughed it up against the Ravens in a key situation and he's had a history of multiple fumble games. I don't think it should affect his status vs the Jets but I fully support his benching. The fact that the ground and not a hard hit caused the fumble make it even more so.

4. The more I see Legarrette Blount, the more I can't wait for Brandon Bolden to get healthy. For a 250 lb back he runs high and soft. His performance today only proved what we heard from Bucs fans. Vareen did a better job at falling forward

He really is soft and I can't see his role returning kicks lasting either.

5. Won't spend a lot of time singing the praises of Danny Amendola. He was not only made several spectacular catches, he proved every bit as tough and courageous as Wes Welker. That being said, I wouldn't play him on Thursday. A groin is a tough injury to treat. More than anything he needs time. I'm going to look forward to the next 5 years of watching him play. I think even Ivan will admit now that the for the long run, the Pats made the right choice.

Tough to sit him given what the rest of the receviers minus Edelman produced.

6. I hope people will now accept that Julian Edelman is a solid NFL WR. He too made several nice catches. 80 yds - 7/9 targets is more than adequate for a guy who is better suited for being a slot receiver.

Lets see him play 16 games and then we'll talk.

7. Welcome to the NFL Kembrel Thompkins :eek: I'd be fine with 42 ypg from him over the course of the season, but I think he'll be much better than that as the season goes on. The non catch on the TD was a perfect example. He made the right decision to stop his route and break opposite, but he made his decision a micro second too late. That slight hesitation was the difference success and failure. But there is no question in my mind that that will improve over the course of the season. Later on in the season, he will get that 2nd foot down.

Maybe it was just my perception but didn't it seem like KT was playing frantic? He seemed like he was just trying to play too fast and it looked like his nerves got the best of him. If he can just take a deep breath I think he'll be ok.

8. Ditto for Boyce and Sudfeld. If anyone thought that this transition was going to be seemless, this should be a jolt of reality. But that being said, I'm encouraged that things WILL better.

Sudfeld didn't seem to seperate like he did in the regular season. Perhaps nerves as well. Boyce looked to be open a few times but perhaps hasn't earned TB's trust yet. Boyce's best hook up of the preseason was with Mallet not Brady.

9. Don't underestimate the effect that the Bills DC had in this game. Being the Jets DC for 3 years he's seen the Pats offense for 6 games and did a great job having his players jumping routes. They literally forced the Pats to abandon their screen game. One of things that couldn't be missed was that the Pats RARELY had anyone running free this game.

I thought that during the game and also give the Bills credit for playing physical the entire game.

10. I thought the OL played OK against a very good Bills front. Most of the Bills greatest successes came with pressure from DB's. When they got blocking schemes manned up correctly they did very well.

Or when the Patriots receivers ran into each other.

11. Dan Connolly got the start and didn't do badly, but didn't do great. I'm still hoping that in time Marcus Cannon will win the job.

Cannon had at least one flag I remember and may have had a second. That won't get you in Bill's good graces.

12. I thought the D played very well, without being spectacular. A very understated effective performance. allowing just 280 yds of total offense is job well done over all. One TD was the result of a fumble recovery. One was the result of broken coverage, and one was the result of great pass and catch.

To be balanced Manuel also missed a few wide open receivers and missed a few in stride that could have been bigger gains. Plus the Bills penalties killed a bunch of good gains. Over all though it was a good performance where the offense put them in very bad positions. Really only that one drive in the 3rd was on the defense.

13. If I have a concern it would be the utter lack of an effective pass rush. I can only think of 2 or 3 occasions when Manuel even got hit. I also can't remember seeing any blitzing. I'm hoping that in the 2nd time around the Pats will be more prepared for the Bills offensive schemes

With Manuel being a moble QB and the good running game I think the instructions were contain first. Jones did get good pressure a few times and just missed finishing.

14. Lots of room for improvement, but definitely a good start, albeit against a rookie QB making his first start.

Better than where the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Falcons, Giants and Packers started. The vaunted AFCN was 0-4.

15. That being said, I have to say I was impressed with Manuel. He looked cool under pressure, took what was given, made good decisions and was fairly accurate. If I would a Bills fan I would be a lot more comfortable with my first round pick, and I'd feel good about my QB's future.

I thought that in the preseason as well. Although unlikely to be stars I think Manuel and Tannehill can be solid starters so the divsion could be tougher than it's been in future years.

16. In fact I thought the Bills played pretty well, especially the defense. They looked very solid up front and pretty good in the defensive backfield.

Mario Williams was the one Bill who stood out to me for not standing out at all. Might have been that Solder is that good now but Mario sucked.

17. Overall, it was a division win on the road and counts the same as if it were a blow out. Lots of good lessons to be taken from this game. Lots of mistakes to correct. It ,never should have been as close as it turned out, and as well as the Bills played, they were only as close as they were because the Pats allowed it.

It was an ugly win but good teams get through these. I knew going in this offense was going to be shaky but if they can get through the first three "easy" games and then get Gronk back and just show progress I'll be encouraged for the long haul.

18. Note on the Jets game - I still sit Gronk and Amendola. I'd hope for some improvement from the rookies, put Edelman in the slot. Plus include the TE's s into this week's game plan (don't be surprised to see Fells return this week). I'd look to beat the Jets with our running game and defense circa 2001

Not sure they can afford to sit both. They sit both and then Edelman gets hurt in the game and how are they moving the ball at this point?

19. Another Jets note. A combination of the closeness of the Bills game and the Jets win will allow the delusional Jet fan base to thing that they have a chance to win this week, and thus make the few days we have before the next we much more entertaining than it would have if the Jets lost and we blew out the Bills.

I was psyched the Jets won yesterday and no I'm not insane. I don't want them getting Clowney or Bridgewater so I hope they win all the cupcakes early they can.
 
I'm rewatching the game right now (NFL game rewind is awesome). Some thoughts....

(1) The Patriot turnovers were all unforced. Ridley's fumble. No contact. Just slipped and the ball came out. The Pats were in easy FG range and the Bills ended up with 7. That's a net -10. Brady's fumble on the Bills' 1-yd line. That's another net of -7. And then the interception that Sudfeld should have had. Led to a short field and another Bills TD, so another -7 net. That's a net of -24 points on three unforced turnovers for the Patriots. If the other team makes plays that's one thing. The Patriots had three turnovers that were all on them. That should improve. This game should have been a blowout, with the Pats winning something like 33-7.

(2) The game stats back up the idea that this game should have been a blowout. The Pats dominated in TOP, yards gained, first downs, third down conversions, # of plays run, the works. Other than the unforced turnovers, the Pats really outplayed Buffalo by a wide, wide margin.

(3) Edelman and Amendola both looked terrific. Crisp routes, toughness, very good hands, reliable. The question with both of these guys really comes down to health. That said, Thompkins made some real serious rookie mistakes (dropped TD, didn't get both feet in bounds, ran some bad routes, etc.).

(4) More Shane Vereen, please. I said this in the game thread. I love this kid. He's incredibly athletic, has great hands, and is a mismatch all over the field. I don't know if he can be a full-time RB1, but more touches are certainly warranted.

(5) On the RB issue, I thought Blount looked horrible. Ridley looked very good except, you know, the fumbles. The thing is, when he doesn't fumble, he's just terrific, so if the Pats ever let him go due to his fumble issues, he really could put up some great numbers as a real RB1 for another team.

(6) Best defensive players, IMO: Arrington (great game), Dennard (he looked awesome), Mayo (15 tackles), and Kelly. On the whole, the defense played very, very well. Rookie QB, blah blah blah. The Bills have some very good skill players (the RBs are excellent, Stevie Johnson is terrific, and Chandler is a good TE). And the Pats limited them to just 286 yards and 4-13 third down conversions. They only gave up 14 points (7 Bills points came on the fumble return), but 7 of those points came on a short field. I know they didn't get much pressure on Manuel, but if they were to hold every team to 14 points and 286 yards, I don't care if they ever get a sack. Of course, if they never get a sack, they're not likely to continue to hold opponents down like that.

(7) Big, big kick for Gostkowski. Nice for him to nail a game-winner in the first game of the year.

(8) Any road division win is a good win. Period. They are never easy. I have said for a while now that I think the Pats' offensive numbers will be down from last year (but I hope that the D improves to make up for it). I also think that Brady's stats will be down as the young receivers take time to learn. I think that this offense will be incredible in the second half of the season but that it'll be a work in progress for a few weeks. Let's hope that Amendola is ok and that he and Edelman stay healthy, that Thompkins improves, and that Gronk comes back healthy. If that happens, this offense is going to be a monster. But not yet. They have to find other ways to win at this point. And I think that's a good thing for this team in the long run.

EDIT: BTW, on Thompkins, it seemed like the Bills were playing him very physically, and without consequence. I'm still stunned at the no PI call early in the game when the CB literally was yanking Thompkins by the jersey in front of the ref and he didn't get a call. It doesn't get more blatant than that.
 
Mr. "I'm not going to show up for OTA's because I'm presently busy improving my conditioning on my own time" was reportedly dehydrated on the second series of the game.

Sadly it's apparent that some of these guys need constant adult supervision
I volunteer my wife to nag Spikes constantly about hydrating. She's a pro.
 
"I have to be honest and say it seemed we did much better without spikes."

I know he's always been 'slow', but Spikes took it to a whole new level in the opener. I can only wonder if it has something to do with how he trained over the Summer. Hopefully he was just under the weather, which might help explain the quick dehydration.

There was one play where EJ rolled right with Spikes chasing him.
Most AARP members could have pursued faster. It was shocking.
I like Spikes but don't think he's here next year. His forte is an excellent, punishing up the middle blitz, but that's about it.
 
I have to say that I did not see anything that didn't surprise me.....the 'roughness' of the product is something that will improve over the course of the season.

if anything, my biggest disappointment is mayo's inability to cover chandler....

thompkins will be fine......the things that separated him from having a monster game are very fixable.....otherwise, they would not have called his number 14 times......

ridley, on the other hand.....I'm not so sure.....
 
(7) Big, big kick for Gostkowski. Nice for him to nail a game-winner in the first game of the year.

Arizona flashed through my head and I was very relieved when that went through. My wife said before the kick this one is over and I gave her the why oh why would you say that and jinx it look. :eek:
 
EDIT: BTW, on Thompkins, it seemed like the Bills were playing him very physically, and without consequence. I'm still stunned at the no PI call early in the game when the CB literally was yanking Thompkins by the jersey in front of the ref and he didn't get a call. It doesn't get more blatant than that.

And I am pretty sure, there are also a few points to learn, on how to make it look even more blatant to the refs. So even that may improve with time.
 
Of course we can!

If you read anything I've written today, you would see I think BB/McDaniels should have BENCHED THEMSELVES for the brainfart of deciding to throw with 1;12 left in the first half, backed way up in our own territory. Instead of going to the lockerroom up 17-7, woops, interception and quick Buffalo TD lit up the crowd and put the Bills right back into the game.

Just because I disagreed with what Joker wrote about the vanilla defensive plan for today (and pointed out the Buffalo QB ammassed only 150 yards) YOU hyperventilated that this forum is a *********** and should be shut down.

The only one trying to squelch debate is you.

Calm down, Frances.

Hold on...you're criticising a decision to try and drive up field with 1:12 and THREE time outs to play with?

The Bills were getting the ball back after half time and it made perfect sense. I'd have been screaming if we had run the clock down!

Not only that, I'm certain you would be hailing the genius of going for it on fourth and inches if Brady hadn't pulled his hands out too early for the snap. As a coordinator, you make the calls and hope your players execute the play to perfection....that was a calamity and almost all on Brady from my view. We have tried on fourth numerous times and more often than not it works.

We have driven up the field in as little time as that before so it's hardly not doable.

Overall I wasn't that upset with the play calls. Had we not fumbled and had we not had the INT, this game wouldn't have been close.

Your hindsight is a wonderful thing.
 
FWIW, the Bills really only had *one* drive all game long. Their drive chart:

2 plays, 3 yds, fumble
6 plays, 18 yds, punt
5 plays, 2 yds, punt
5 plays, 28 yds, punt
3 plays, 7 yds, punt
5 plays, 24 yds, fumble
3 plays, 8 yds, punt
2 plays, 37 yds, TOUCHDOWN (following the interception)
11 plays, 80 yds, TOUCHDOWN (this was their one real drive)
6 plays, 26 yds, punt
3 plays, -2 yds, punt
6 plays, 37 yds, punt
3 plays, 4 yds, punt
1 play, 9 yds, END OF GAME

I mean, other than that one drive, the Bills really couldn't do much of anything.
 
Agree except that 4th down goal line play was DOA. Buffalo would have stuffed it.
 
Hold on...you're criticising a decision to try and drive up field with 1:12 and THREE time outs to play with?

The Bills were getting the ball back after half time and it made perfect sense. I'd have been screaming if we had run the clock down!

Not only that, I'm certain you would be hailing the genius of going for it on fourth and inches if Brady hadn't pulled his hands out too early for the snap. As a coordinator, you make the calls and hope your players execute the play to perfection....that was a calamity and almost all on Brady from my view. We have tried on fourth numerous times and more often than not it works.

We have driven up the field in as little time as that before so it's hardly not doable.

Overall I wasn't that upset with the play calls. Had we not fumbled and had we not had the INT, this game wouldn't have been close.

Your hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It wasn't "hindsight".

When I saw Brady going back to pass on the very first play of that "drive" I said to my friend - - "This is stupid" - - they have a 10 point lead and the Bills have no mojo now - don't do something stupid to change it - - get into the lockerroom with a 10 point lead.

****Perhaps you forget, but Amendola was on the sideline with his injury at that moment. Don't start a war without ammo.

You expected Brady to lead them 80 yards downfield WITHOUT Amendola with 1:12 left on the clock??? Talk about mortgaging the house to play roulette!

I think it was the second (very next play after that) where the interception occurred - - then the quick Buffalo TD - - instantly the game changed and the crowd was into it.

Sorry, but that WAS a coaching brainfart of epic proportions, and if BB is going to throw Ridley in the doghouse, he should join him there.

***BTW, nice strawman argument about me criticising the 4th and inches decsion - - I never criticised it - never mentioned it - so please don't manufacture words for other people. In fact, I am in full support of them going on that 4th down and inches. That was definitely the correct decision, just bad execution.
 
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context???what the hell do you call a turnover deep in your territory and the QB sits there baking cakes a play later and hits a WIDE OPEN RECEIVER for a TD??? Yeah, I say blitz THERE...in that situation.

I think the answer to the problem is somewhere in the middle..........do we blitz enough....not even close.......do we need to blitze like the Jets/Bills....no.....

I personally think Matt Patricia is too timid when it comes to blitzing, I also think he doesn't come up with any exotic blitz designs. However yesterday's game wasn't because the defense was too timid, it was because the offense was turning the ball over. They don't give the ball 2 of those 3 times and they win by 14 or more.

End of the day I agree they need more pressure but the D played a pretty good game yesterday, it was the O that needs to pickup its game.
 
Agree except that 4th down goal line play was DOA. Buffalo would have stuffed it.

I Disagree.

They had Develin and Blount in the backfield. It was nicely set up. I can't imagine how you can forecast that Buffalo would have stuffed it. Sorry, but you are just blowing smoke there.

It was the right call, in my view. Just bad execution. Other than a stupid fumble, worst case scenario would have been that Buffalo takes over on its own 1 or 2 yard line with a rookie QB.

So, in summary, you suppport the decision with 1:12 left before hitting the lockerroom at the end of the 1st half, deep in their own territory, with Amendola injured on the sidelines, to go gunslinging (pray-tell, PWP, WHO was he going to throw to for 80 yards in a little over a minute???), yet you think it was the wrong decsion to go for it on the Buffalo 1 yd line on 4th and goal with Develin and Blount in the backfield.

Got it.
 
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Buff knew we didn't have a big EZ passing threat and were bunched up for the run. Neither Dev nor Blount fast enuf to run outside. Play was DOA. But at the time pre- play I had wanted them to go for it.
 
FWIW, the Bills really only had *one* drive all game long. Their drive chart:

2 plays, 3 yds, fumble
6 plays, 18 yds, punt
5 plays, 2 yds, punt
5 plays, 28 yds, punt
3 plays, 7 yds, punt
5 plays, 24 yds, fumble
3 plays, 8 yds, punt
2 plays, 37 yds, TOUCHDOWN (following the interception)
11 plays, 80 yds, TOUCHDOWN (this was their one real drive)
6 plays, 26 yds, punt
3 plays, -2 yds, punt
6 plays, 37 yds, punt
3 plays, 4 yds, punt
1 play, 9 yds, END OF GAME

I mean, other than that one drive, the Bills really couldn't do much of anything.

Once the Bills had a lead the coach went to an offense that consisted of handoffs to the RB on 1st and 2nd down and a pass to the back on third down. Either he didn't permit Manuel to expand the game or Manuel couldn't do it.
 
This looks like the place to enumerate some thoughts

1) It looks like the combination of younger rosters and reductions in pad practices leads to some sloppy play early in the season. Hope that changes.

2) Both the Bills and Pats were executing their gameplans at times with Jet-like competence. Take away the Pats errors but give the Bills the same consideration with the "What if" analysis.

3) Glad for Ghost but also Allen on the winning FG.
 
I Disagree.

They had Develin and Blount in the backfield. It was nicely set up. I can't imagine how you can forecast that Buffalo would have stuffed it. Sorry, but you are just blowing smoke there.

It was the right call, in my view. Just bad execution. Other than a stupid fumble, worst case scenario would have been that Buffalo takes over on its own 1 or 2 yard line with a rookie QB.

So, in summary, you suppport the decision with 1:12 left before hitting the lockerroom at the end of the 1st half, deep in their own territory, with Amendola injured on the sidelines, to go gunslinging (pray-tell, PWP, WHO was he going to throw to for 80 yards in a little over a minute???), yet you think it was the wrong decsion to go for it on the Buffalo 1 yd line on 4th and goal with Develin and Blount in the backfield.

I actually liked both of these decisions. They didn't need to drive 80 yards. They needed to go 60 yards to set up a field goal. Those first 60 yards come a lot more easily than the last 20. Brady is super careful with the ball. It's impossible to foresee the mid-catch hand-off by Sudfield. I wouldn't have minded a running play or simple swing pass to get the Bills to consider burning a timeout first, however.

On the goal line, I absolutely agree with you. We needed 4 points and were on the 1 yard line. That is absolutely the right decision, unless you are consistently getting beat at the line of scrimmage. With the 95th percentile worst case being Buffalo getting the ball at the 2, that decision was easy. Unfortunately, we had a 1 in 100 bad play and they got the ball near the 10.

Hindsight isn't 20-20; it only looks that way because there are no actual do-overs.
 


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