Why did this team sign Tebow?

DarrylS said:

How does dyslexia effect how your read defenses and throw a football???

I thought that diagnosis was mostly about reading???

From an interview by Timmy..



Read more at Tim Tebow Opens About Dyslexia Affecting NFL Career

Are some saying that because if he has dyslexia, he should be given an exemption to make this team???? Maybe tomorrow, there will be another excuse found..

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Is there a remedial team for the NFL? We should change the rules for Tebow and give him, and only him, a 5th down to make up for his learning disability. It's only fair.

chumpchange said:

Yeah, but my problem with this is the wasted reps for the guys fighting for a roster spot. The WRs and TEs who needed to show themselves off for the coaches last night got no chance whatsoever with negative yardage through a whole half of play. Totally wasted opportunities. How are they supposed to do their jobs if no catchable balls are thrown at them?

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That is where game 3 comes in. I think that it is reasonable to see an increase in snaps from all of the expected members of the 53-man roster for guys like Dobson, Boyce, Fells, and the rest of the guys who appeared to be less of a focus in last nights' game.

ivanvamp said:

It goes to show how much more advanced and more difficult the NFL game is than the college game. Because Tim Tebow was an absolutely PHENOMENAL college quarterback, in basically every way. His running stats, his passing stats were both off the charts great, and, oh by the way, he won a Heisman and two national championships playing in the most NFL-like conference in America.

And yet he really can't seem to do what the NFL requires of him at the position. I mean, if the Pats ever wanted to commit to a running QB kind of game, I guess, but clearly that's not desirable.

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And also a running QB MUST be an equally good passer in order to work. If the other team knows the guy can't hit the broad side of a barn, then we don't have a legitimate dual threat QB. We just have another running back, who's easy to shut down, like we did last night.

chumpchange said:

I disagree. Seeing how these guys perform under live game conditions is crucial, for the development of the player and for evaluation purposes for the coach. What's more important than live-game experience for their evaluation? You only get a brief amount of preseason games to test these guys, and they literally got nothing (less than nothing, actually) last game.

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I understand that. Thing is, even with Tebow in there, the other guys are getting "live game experience".

Here's another way to think of it. Brady is in at QB and the Pats are in a 5 WR set. Brady hits Amendola on a post for a TD. Does that mean the other 4 WRs just had a wasted opportunity/play ? No. The coaches will look at the play on film and will analyze how each receiver did even though the pass wasn't thrown to them. Did they run the correct route? Did they run it at the right pace? Did they get separation ? About the only thing that the coaches wouldn't be able to analyze about them on that play is catching the ball.

If Mallett was in there making late throws, or overthrowing receivers, the same notion would apply in that the coaches would still be able to evaluate the receivers.

chumpchange said:

And also a running QB MUST be an equally good passer in order to work. If the other team knows the guy can't hit the broad side of a barn, then we don't have a legitimate dual threat QB. We just have another running back, who's easy to shut down, like we did last night.

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Well look, I'm not arguing for Tebow to be the Patriots' QB or anything like that. As I already said in another thread, I think it's pretty clear he shouldn't even make the roster. However, in 2011, the Broncos went 7-4 with him at QB. They played a style of game that complemented the skill set he brought to the table. They played good defense, had excellent special teams, and he made big plays at the end of games. Then against Pittsburgh in the playoffs, he made several huge throws that helped win the game.

So with the right setup and talent around him, a team is capable of being a winner. You just have to commit most of your resources to the defense and special teams, have maybe a big-play WR (like Demaryius Thomas) because Tebow can throw a nice deep ball, commit to the run, and just try to stay in games where he can win it for you late with a couple of really big plays.

Understand that that style is going to get you blown out of a few games, because if the D has an off day you're going to get steamrolled.

It's not necessarily pretty, but it can work.

ivanvamp said:

Well look, I'm not arguing for Tebow to be the Patriots' QB or anything like that. As I already said in another thread, I think it's pretty clear he shouldn't even make the roster. However, in 2011, the Broncos went 7-4 with him at QB. They played a style of game that complemented the skill set he brought to the table. They played good defense, had excellent special teams, and he made big plays at the end of games. Then against Pittsburgh in the playoffs, he made several huge throws that helped win the game.

So with the right setup and talent around him, a team is capable of being a winner. You just have to commit most of your resources to the defense and special teams, have maybe a big-play WR (like Demaryius Thomas) because Tebow can throw a nice deep ball, commit to the run, and just try to stay in games where he can win it for you late with a couple of really big plays.

Understand that that style is going to get you blown out of a few games, because if the D has an off day you're going to get steamrolled.

It's not necessarily pretty, but it can work.

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Tebow's biggest problem right now is the fact that he's on a team that needs a talented - or at least somewhat competent - player to lead this offense should Brady (and Mallett) get hurt. That makes him a bad fit here as a quarterback. His other problem is looking around the league, there aren't any teams who are terrible that don't at least have someone who is as good/better, which is unusual considering there's generally at least one that could bring in someone as a project and suffer for a few years until he gets better.

But he's got enough guys around him who should at least allow him the chance to show something so he could potentially land somewhere else if it doesn't work out. Someone commented about Mallett's trade value at this point - Tebow's killing his own free agent value by playing like this. Team's don't hire you based on what you did two years ago. They hire you based on what you're doing now, and right now he's not playing well.

Ian said:

Tebow's biggest problem right now is the fact that he's on a team that needs a talented - or at least somewhat competent - player to lead this offense should Brady (and Mallett) get hurt. That makes him a bad fit here as a quarterback. His other problem is looking around the league, there aren't any teams who are terrible that don't at least have someone who is as good/better, which is unusual considering there's generally at least one that could bring in someone as a project and suffer for a few years until he gets better.

But he's got enough guys around him who should at least allow him the chance to show something so he could potentially land somewhere else if it doesn't work out. Someone commented about Mallett's trade value at this point - Tebow's killing his own free agent value by playing like this. Team's don't hire you based on what you did two years ago. They hire you based on what you're doing now, and right now he's not playing well.

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I agree 100% with this. I don't think he should or will make the roster. No reason to keep him on it at this point. Especially because I don't think he'd be picked up by another team, so they could shadow roster him most likely if they wanted to just keep him around.

ivanvamp said:

I agree 100% with this. I don't think he should or will make the roster. No reason to keep him on it at this point. Especially because I don't think he'd be picked up by another team, so they could shadow roster him most likely if they wanted to just keep him around.

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I think they'll definitely keep him no matter how embarrassing he is, because he's Josh's pet, but I think they should at least stick him on the practice squad, if he's eligible like I assume he is.

chumpchange said:

I think they'll definitely keep him no matter how embarrassing he is, because he's Josh's pet, but I think they should at least stick him on the practice squad, if he's eligible like I assume he is.

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Nope........

I've always been in the camp that the main value here would be if he shows enough to be a worthwhile project. Given last night, I'm thinking the chances are going from "well who knows" to the "slim to none" category.

Josh McD has some indeterminate window of time to demonstrate that Tebow can be re-trained. If you think about it, he probably spent half his time in Denver on that project too.

Think of it this way: If you're Van Halen, and you're really impressed by the skills of a Carter-Family picking-syle guitarist, it's not just a matter of whether he learns all songs... it's whether he's going to feel natural with a standard plectrum in his hand picking out notes in the solo, or whether he'll want the metal finger picks and really be jonesing to play Jim Croce. Muscle memory's a beyatch. Josh thinks he can get around it. So far Josh is wrong.

We all know Tim could be 'good at it' and there are over 100 members here (based on the poll voters) that want him gone. I get it.

It is also true that if Tim stinks it up there will be many more that want him gone and I understand it. Who wants a player on their favorite team stinking it up? I don't.

Tim and the scrubs STUNK IT UP. There are no excuses for it and if there are any reasons for it, only BB and maybe McD know. I sure as hell can't figure any out.

I believe there is another truth. If Tim is 'good at it' from now on, there will be those that will never let anyone forget the pre season game that Tim STUNK IT UP. It will live forever in Tim trasher infamy.

Despite of all that, I'm glad I'm here getting to know some rabid football fans and the team they are rabid about. The Belichick system is a sight to behold. Brady is...Brady and the other players thrive or have a chance to thrive in a killer system. What's not to like?

Regardless of whether Tim makes the cut or not, I still like Tim, wish him the best, and hope he never stinks it up again.

Remarker said:

We all know Tim could be 'good at it' and there are over 100 members here (based on the poll voters) that want him gone. I get it.

It is also true that if Tim stinks it up there will be many more that want him gone and I understand it. Who wants a player on their favorite team stinking it up? I don't.

Tim and the scrubs STUNK IT UP. There are no excuses for it and if there are any reasons for it, only BB and maybe McD know. I sure as hell can't figure any out.

I believe there is another truth. If Tim is 'good at it' from now on, there will be those that will never let anyone forget the pre season game that Tim STUNK IT UP. It will live forever in Tim trasher infamy.

Despite of all that, I'm glad I'm here getting to know some rabid football fans and the team they are rabid about. The Belichick system is a sight to behold. Brady is...Brady and the other players thrive or have a chance to thrive in a killer system. What's not to like?

Regardless of whether Tim makes the cut or not, I still like Tim, wish him the best, and hope he never stinks it up again.

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I don't dislike him and I had hoped he'd be decent and would have at least been a good player here. But I didn't understand the signing unless they had real plans for him other than QB. All of a sudden there were those who thought we could run "trick plays" with him and that he gave them options. Last I checked they haven't had an issue offensively other than lack of depth with guys hurt in recent years. Plus I'm simply not a fan of yanking the guy who's lead the league's highest scoring offense and is a future Hall of Famer off the field in any situation.

Before we knew what Sudfeld would become I didn't necessarily have an issue with them bringing Tebow in as a target to throw to in some crazy scheme because I didn't know how they'd be with Gronk hurt and Hernandez being gone. Obviously it seems like Belichick wasn't being coy when he's said Tebow's a QB and I had hoped he was hiding something to prove there was a method to their madness. So far it's tough to feel confident about him, and at this point if he just gets to play QB I don't see it working out for him.

It's too bad and I had hoped he'd prove everyone wrong here, but "it is what it is".

ivanvamp said:

Well look, I'm not arguing for Tebow to be the Patriots' QB or anything like that. As I already said in another thread, I think it's pretty clear he shouldn't even make the roster. However, in 2011, the Broncos went 7-4 with him at QB. They played a style of game that complemented the skill set he brought to the table. They played good defense, had excellent special teams, and he made big plays at the end of games. Then against Pittsburgh in the playoffs, he made several huge throws that helped win the game.

So with the right setup and talent around him, a team is capable of being a winner. You just have to commit most of your resources to the defense and special teams, have maybe a big-play WR (like Demaryius Thomas) because Tebow can throw a nice deep ball, commit to the run, and just try to stay in games where he can win it for you late with a couple of really big plays.

Understand that that style is going to get you blown out of a few games, because if the D has an off day you're going to get steamrolled.

It's not necessarily pretty, but it can work.

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Didn't the Jets go to the AFC Championship Game with Mark Sanchez as their quarterback? And didn't the Patriots go 11-5 with Matt Cassell? The league catches up with people, pretty fast. Remember how the Patriots undressed Tebow's Broncos after they won that one playoff game? Once someone in the league figures out someone's tendencies, strengths and weaknesses, everyone else copies the formula. They take away the strengths and force the player to expose his weaknesses. If they don't have bad weaknesses they can be successful for a long time, but if they do, it's over.

Remarker said:

We all know Tim could be 'good at it' and there are over 100 members here (based on the poll voters) that want him gone. I get it.

It is also true that if Tim stinks it up there will be many more that want him gone and I understand it. Who wants a player on their favorite team stinking it up? I don't.

Tim and the scrubs STUNK IT UP. There are no excuses for it and if there are any reasons for it, only BB and maybe McD know. I sure as hell can't figure any out.

I believe there is another truth. If Tim is 'good at it' from now on, there will be those that will never let anyone forget the pre season game that Tim STUNK IT UP. It will live forever in Tim trasher infamy.

Despite of all that, I'm glad I'm here getting to know some rabid football fans and the team they are rabid about. The Belichick system is a sight to behold. Brady is...Brady and the other players thrive or have a chance to thrive in a killer system. What's not to like?

Regardless of whether Tim makes the cut or not, I still like Tim, wish him the best, and hope he never stinks it up again.

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If he was "good at it" people wouldn't have a problem with him on the roster and if he becomes "good at it" people won't have a reason to want him off. Problem is he isn't "good at it" and it was painfully obvious he wasn't even when Denver was backing into wins blindfolded in 2011.

You're mixing up rooting for him to fail with predicting that he will.

LOL at Field Yates at ESPN Boston:

"Tim Tebow had just one completion on Friday night, a performance that he'll look to improve upon in future preseason action..."

Ya think?

Just call it like it is!

Picked-up pieces after second-half review - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Somebody look up how many 0.0 passer rating games have ever been played in the history of the NFL. I'd bet that Sanchez never even did that!

Every day that this guy wears a Pats uniform, beginning with the first roster cutdown, will be both an embarrassment for all us fans and also a tragedy for those better players who were cut.

Christiancat said:

https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/368737609385656322
‏@BenVolin tweeted the following below

Belichick & McDaniels signed Tebow knowing he's a project. What he does during the week has far greater impact than what he does in games

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Belichick took a flyer on Tebow and allowed him to fill a purpose of a 3rd arm for camp and preseason. We’ve already cut players who were considered developmentally promising from a far and then when given a closer look proved nonexistent for some reason or another: Kafka, Jones, Vega, Hawkins, Jenkins, and McDonald have all shown in either the NFL or CFL flashes of promise at some point, Bill brought them with no guaranteed money just like Tebow, had a closer look and then cut his losses, Tebow is likely to be no different. Bill does it because in cases like Marcus Benard what you saw from a far actually ends up being confirmed when given a closer look, he does it every year he allocates about 5 of the 90 roster spots to do what I consider to be playing the roster lottery he spends a little bit of money at chance of a big reward, and he just tosses away the losing tickets.

You’re putting way to much stock in McDaniel’s relationship with Tebow helping him make the roster; Lloyd, Salas, Larsen were all players that spent time under Josh, came in under his recommendation and are now gone, I sure the conversation between Bill and Josh goes like this “Bill I like this player” “Ok Josh well bring him cheap and we can take a look at him”. I do not think Bill and Josh are sitting down developing PowerPoint presentations for developing Tim Tebow, or anything remotely close to that level of involvement.

Best case for Tebow in my eyes is to do enough in the next 13-14 days to make Bill consider offering him a futures contract when that period opens up in early January 2014, I do not see him on this roster or any other NFL roster in 2013.

chumpchange said:

He throws negative one yard in a whole half of a professional football game, and you 'wouldn't be shocked if he gets cut'?

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Hey chump did you read what I was responding to ? It was from another thread .

The person I was responding to said " I would be shocked !" so in context what I said makes sense .

sb1 said:

The 2 delay of game penalties weren't good either. But.....I will admit the part of his stat line that says 6 carries for 30 yards (would have been more but penalty wiped it out) is nothing to sneeze at.

I still want to see what BB has planned for him over the next 2 weeks. I have a hard time believing running a conventional offense and looking terrible as QB was it... I think BB will show his true intent soon when it comes to the Tebow project.

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Thank you for the positive spin in a sea of well deserved negativity .

Brady6 said:

Belichick took a flyer on Tebow and allowed him to fill a purpose of a 3rd arm for camp and preseason. We’ve already cut players who were considered developmentally promising from a far and then when given a closer look proved nonexistent for some reason or another: Kafka, Jones, Vega, Hawkins, Jenkins, and McDonald have all shown in either the NFL or CFL flashes of promise at some point, Bill brought them with no guaranteed money just like Tebow, had a closer look and then cut his losses, Tebow is likely to be no different. Bill does it because in cases like Marcus Benard what you saw from a far actually ends up being confirmed when given a closer look, he does it every year he allocates about 5 of the 90 roster spots to do what I consider to be playing the roster lottery he spends a little bit of money at chance of a big reward, and he just tosses away the losing tickets.

You’re putting way to much stock in McDaniel’s relationship with Tebow helping him make the roster; Lloyd, Salas, Larsen were all players that spent time under Josh, came in under his recommendation and are now gone, I sure the conversation between Bill and Josh goes like this “Bill I like this player” “Ok Josh well bring him cheap and we can take a look at him”. I do not think Bill and Josh are sitting down developing PowerPoint presentations for developing Tim Tebow, or anything remotely close to that level of involvement.

Best case for Tebow in my eyes is to do enough in the next 13-14 days to make Bill consider offering him a futures contract when that period opens up in early January 2014, I do not see him on this roster or any other NFL roster in 2013.

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