Dennard arrested for DUI

Mack Herron said:

Patriots have already shown they will act before the legal process unfolds. We also know Kraft felt duped by Hernandez and as a smart business man he will take measures to ensure such things don't happen again. Let's see where he draws the line.

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I for one simply hope that Bob Kraft does NOT drive after his typical appearances on TV post game

dreamsfloatjoe said:

:wave: Interested to see how the news media outlets outside the New England states area brand the 2013 New England Patriot's NFL team? opcorn2: Suspect it is not going to be pretty.

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I couldn't care less what the reaction is. They are going to write whatever sells the most papers/hits which means its unlikely to be positive.

Mack Herron said:

Patriots have already shown they will act before the legal process unfolds. We also know Kraft felt duped by Hernandez and as a smart business man he will take measures to ensure such things don't happen again. Let's see where he draws the line.

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* Hernandez is sui generis in that no other case involving a then-Patriot has involved death.
* Edelman was NOT released—or even suspended—after his arrest for sexual assault.
* But Willie Andrews was after his second (which did involve an arrest for domestic violence on top of other stuff).

It really could go either way.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I for one simply hope that Bob Kraft does NOT drive after his typical appearances on TV post game

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No worries there. He is driven.

I was "duped" by Dennard. I thought his assaulting a cop shortly before the Draft was a momentary lapse of reason.
I did not know he was a genuine dumbass who could not help himself even if he were handed an Idiot's Guide for success.

goheels22002 said:

...while on probation for assaulting a cop? The court will not disconnect standing in front of a judge just 90 days ago and agreeing to abide by the terms of probation by not committing another crime for two years. Driving drunk is a crime.

The standard of proof for violating probation is much, much lower than what is needed to prove you committed the crime itself. This is quite different than your 1st offense DUI.

Let's be clear that DUI is a serious crime. The NFL knows it and the NFLPA knows it. The Dallas Cowboys really know it. 10,000 people die every year in this country in drunk driving accidents.

Moreover, in relation to employment, it depends on if getting arrested for DUI interferes or signals that you are not capable of doing your job.

If this guy misses one session of training camp to attend to his legal difficulties for violating his probation for being convicted of assaulting a police officer, it interferes with his ability to do his job.

This episode keeps reminding me of Bill Belichick's mantra, "Do your job."

Where in Alfonzo Dennard's job description does it say "drive under the influence of alcohol?"

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Drunk driving is serious and is a "crime", but then again, so is possession of a joint or two. That said, the legal system doesn't consider it to be, nor treat it as a "serious crime" as the penalty for 1st offense carries a minimum sentence of 7 days in jail and a max of 60 days.

As to the probation, it depends on the specific judge involved in the revocation hearing, but as I said, often times, misdemeanors such as this don't warrant a revocation. That generally happens when the new charge is more serious, OR, when it's a collection/string of minor offenses.


As for Bill Belichick's mantra, where in Bill's job description does it say "Go out to eat" or "go fishing in the offseason" ?


It doesn't. People do other things in life that aren't part of their job description. The team won't be happy about the DUI, and they shouldn't be. But that doesn't mean that they have to turn around and cut the guy immediately. Make him pay some penalty for his mistake, either financial (if they can), or corporal (if they can), like running gassers at the end of practice for a week. Something to demonstrate that this isn't acceptable behavior and that it shouldn't be done again.

Here is the document from Dennard's arrest:




And from the police report:




Document: Police report for Alfonzo Dennard's DUI arrest | Nick Underhill | masslive.com

News just in from AShley Fox.

Dennard was drinking at a free bar organised by the Kraft's and BB handed Dennard the car keys.

Or she'll say something like this.

ctpatsfan77 said:

* Hernandez is sui generis in that no other case involving a then-Patriot has involved death.
* Edelman was NOT released—or even suspended—after his arrest for sexual assault.
* But Willie Andrews was after his second (which did involve an arrest for domestic violence on top of other stuff).

It really could go either way.

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Sure it could. Just saying that Kraft has no compunction about waiting for the courts.

BSR said:

...They are going to write whatever sells the most papers/hits which means its unlikely to be positive.

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I agree with you.

Also, imagine the NE Pat's mentioned Monday through Friday night during the NFL season by the likes of David Letterman (NY) and Jay Leno (CA) in their opening monologue?

Public Relations (PR) nightmare for the team and the league.

Mack Herron said:

Sure it could. Just saying that Kraft has no compunction about waiting for the courts.

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To be fair, though, if I understand the way the NFL processes releases, both Kraft and Belichick have to sign off (since Belichick is designated as having final say over the roster).

Also, he hasn't—but Andrews is the only case I can think of, besides Hernandez, where a player was released immediately after an arrest.

SB39 said:

There are an awful lot of studies that suggest you're better off if that guy in the car next to you has a beer in his hand over a cell phone.

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I imagine the findings you refer to are from studies where the beer is unopened.

Oswlek said:

I agree that the NFL should have no right to punish a player for a non-NFL infraction, but the Patriots themselves can and should consider all aspects of Dennard's past.

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Have you ever driven after drinking alcohol? Honest answer?

This keeps up we'll be a bigger laughing stock than the Jets.

I got a steak dinner riding on this season and it's starting to look like I'll be the one buying.

Brady6 said:

Have you ever driven after drinking alcohol? Honest answer?

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Not alcohol, no. Expand the question and the answer might change.

I'm unsure what this has to do with Dennard's situation, though.

Something that I don't believe has been mentioned here: don't you believe BB is pissed he wrote that letter to the judge in support of Dennard's character during his trial?

ctpatsfan77 said:

To be fair, though, if I understand the way the NFL processes releases, both Kraft and Belichick have to sign off (since Belichick is designated as having final say over the roster).

Also, he hasn't—but Andrews is the only case I can think of, besides Hernandez, where a player was released immediately after an arrest.

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I'd be surprised if the Hernandez incident has not changed the way they do things in Foxboro. That said, the longer we go the less the chance he will be released. Evidently, there is no zero tolerance policy in place at the moment.

goheels22002 said:

...while on probation for assaulting a cop? The court will not disconnect standing in front of a judge just 90 days ago and agreeing to abide by the terms of probation by not committing another crime for two years. Driving drunk is a crime.

The standard of proof for violating probation is much, much lower than what is needed to prove you committed the crime itself. This is quite different than your 1st offense DUI.

Let's be clear that DUI is a serious crime. The NFL knows it and the NFLPA knows it. The Dallas Cowboys really know it. 10,000 people die every year in this country in drunk driving accidents.

Moreover, in relation to employment, it depends on if getting arrested for DUI interferes or signals that you are not capable of doing your job.

If this guy misses one session of training camp to attend to his legal difficulties for violating his probation for being convicted of assaulting a police officer, it interferes with his ability to do his j

This episode keeps reminding me of Bill Belichick's mantra, "Do your job."

Where in Alfonzo Dennard's job description does it say "drive under the influence of alcohol?"

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Color me a little skeptical. A young kid gets convicted of assaulting a police officer and
gets what many in the law enforcement community consider a "slap on the wrist". He then
returns to his job where he makes 7 or 8 times what the cops probably make. I smell sour grapes and
a little street justice.
Show me the dash cam footage. Cops know they can jack someone up with the old "smell of
Alcohol " Dennard was in a good enough state of mind to refuse a breath test which I've
been informed is what everyone should do. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the kid was set up. No
one can be that stupid, can they?

RIP#40 said:

Color me a little skeptical. A young kid gets convicted of assaulting a police officer and
gets what many in the law enforcement community consider a "slap on the wrist". He then
returns to his job where he makes 7 or 8 times what the cops probably make. I smell sour grapes and
a little street justice.
Show me the dash cam footage. Cops know they can jack someone up with the old "smell of
Alcohol " Dennard was in a good enough state of mind to refuse a breath test which I've
been informed is what everyone should do. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the kid was set up. No
one can be that stupid, can they?

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Someone, and many, are that stupid. I think the Patriots are doing their research to see if there's any way this could turn out like Edelman's case did. If not, I suspect he'll be cut.

It is extremely stupid to drive while under influence. I hope that he is suspended for atleast 8 games if he was drunk.