Aaron Hernandez charged with murder

PATS68 · Jun 26, 2013

PatsFaninAZ said:
So, "circumstantial" evidence is where you need to draw inferences from a direct fact in order to establish that the defendant is guilty of a crime.

Is it possible you are confusing physical evidence with direct evidence? A shell casing is physical evidence, but it does not establish any fact one way or other -- except that there is a shell casing -- without an additional inference being drawn.

A funny anecdote about a supposedly (but probably not) true cross examination shows the difference:

Q: You testified the defendant bit the victim's nose, right?

A: Yes.

Q: Did you actually see the defendant bite the victim in the nose?

A: No, I didn't see that part.

Q: Then how do you know he bit the victim's nose?

A: Because I saw him spit it out.

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Betterthanmost · Jun 26, 2013

What a fool. What a fool. I am so angry. These Florida players look a disaster in the making. Who vouched for this guy? Disgusting. My condolences to Odin's family. What a fool. I can't believe he will be part of something like this. WTF????
Aaron Hernandez -- Have Gun, Will Travel | TMZ.com
He must be a special kind of stupid.

belichick010405 · Jun 26, 2013

ctpatsfan77 said:
I think what makes this so hard is that we're trying to reconcile two very different images of the same person:

This is the side of Aaron Hernandez we were familiar with before last week:

And this is what we have to reconcile it with:

The hard part is recognizing he really is both.

Very sad - It is going to hit him at some point while he is locked up. Another thought that I had is that he is going to learn real fast how good he HAD it by the time he eats his 3rd or 4th meal behind bars because their meals are probably the polar opposite of the kind of diet that he has had for all of his adult life.

Uncle Rico · Jun 26, 2013

vuudu said:
What a fool. What a fool. I am so angry. Are these Florida players look a disaster in the making. Who vouched for this guy? Disgusting. My condolences to Odin's family. What a fool. I can't believe he will be part of something like this. WTF????
Aaron Hernandez -- Have Gun, Will Travel | TMZ.com
He must be a special kind of stupid.

Reminds me of this tweet I saw last week from Ben Volin of the Globe:

Well.... yes RT @theshiznik When u were covering Gators did you ever think you'd be writing about 1 of them as murder suspect years later?

Spiral · Jun 26, 2013

I was just remembering the 30 for 30 that is entitled "June 17, 1994." Two of the storylines weaved together are the helicopters chasing the white Ford Bronco and the NY Rangers celebrating their Stanley Cup Victory. Strange similarities.

KDPPatsfan85 · Jun 26, 2013

ctpatsfan77 said:
I think what makes this so hard is that we're trying to reconcile two very different images of the same person:

This is the side of Aaron Hernandez we were familiar with before last week:

And this is what we have to reconcile it with:

The hard part is recognizing he really is both.

How about this picture?

Jimke · Jun 26, 2013

Much has been said about circumstantial evidence. There were four
people at the murder scene: the victim, the murderer, and two bystanders.
There is no mention of the eyewitnesses. Did they corroborate the evidence to save their asses? They may be the prosecution's hold cards.

PATS68 · Jun 26, 2013

Spiral said:
I was just remembering the 30 for 30 that is entitled "June 17, 1994." Two of the storylines weaved together are the helicopters chasing the white Ford Bronco and the NY Rangers celebrating their Stanley Cup Victory. Strange similarities.

Speaking of 30 for 30 it was eye opening watching their "Broke" special. I could not believe how many of these guys are flat broke and they live way beyond their means. I think AH thought he was bullet proof and was going to get away with it.

Peter Pat · Jun 26, 2013

The saddest thing in life is wasted talent, and the choices that you make will shape your life forever. ” —C (A Bronx Tale)

Betterthanmost · Jun 26, 2013

KDPPatsfan85 said:
How about this picture?

This picture was taken 4 years ago while in college. Amazing it is now coming out. Someone should have known something. You just don't get yourself into something like this in just a few years. This is the culture he grew up in. He is probably like Walter White or should I say Gus Fring?

ctpatsfan77 · Jun 26, 2013

KDPPatsfan85 said:
How about this picture?

I could post 100 pics on each side. I just went with the first one I could find.

PATS68 · Jun 26, 2013

vuudu said:
This picture was taken 4 years ago while in college. Amazing it is now coming out. Someone should have known something. You just don't get yourself into something like this in just a few years. This is the culture he grew up in. He is probably like Walter White or should I say Gus Fring?

Well if this is a college picture where did he get the money for all those tattoos?

belichick010405 · Jun 26, 2013

Tango and Cash - This Whole Thing ****ING SUCKS - YouTube

I have said it once and I will say it again.

PATS68 · Jun 26, 2013

belicheck010405 said:
Tango and Cash - This Whole Thing ******* SUCKS - YouTube

I have said it once and I will say it again.

100% agree with your post. The kid had it all and blew it. I was happy for the kid when he got drafted and thought he was a steal. Seemed as if he was about to prove people wrong and start becoming a pro bowl player year in and year out.

Brock Samson · Jun 26, 2013

vuudu said:
He is probably like Walter White or should I say Gus Fring?

Pinkman. Both those other guys are smart.

Spiral · Jun 26, 2013

Did I hear the DA say that Loyd had the rental car keys in his pocket? How could the other three guys have driven away?

BradyManny · Jun 26, 2013

ctpatsfan77 said:
I think what makes this so hard is that we're trying to reconcile two very different images of the same person:

This is the side of Aaron Hernandez we were familiar with before last week:

And this is what we have to reconcile it with:

The hard part is recognizing he really is both.

SMY had a very succinct and appropriate tweet last week when she said "humans are complicated." I think that about sums it up with Hernandez.

Heartbreaking to look at that photo of him with his daughter now.

Uncle Meat · Jun 26, 2013

DocHoliday said:
I want to think this is more than meets the eye.

Perhaps Lloyd was complicit in something unforgivable in the gang world.

Why do we all assume Lloyd was some saint? Either way Henandez is a scum bag and I'm inclined to agree he's the ringleader.

You are suggesting that people might have reason to be blaming the victim here? That he may have had it coming in some backwards way? First of all, I haven't heard anything to suggest that Lloyd had any kind of gang affiliation. Have you? Even if he did, that might make Hernandez's apparent actions more understandable, but not any more excusable; in fact, it may even be a little worse, ask me.

Surfing around, I've seen lots of rumors and accusations of Hernandez's gang ties, but I have NOT seen anything concrete regarding that. I'm wondering what's the deal there...

blackglass3 · Jun 26, 2013

PATS68 said:
Well if this is a college picture where did he get the money for all those tattoos?

Where do any of them get the money for tattoos in college? Agents/hangers on/boosters/ect ect. You can tell it's from college because when he got drafted he had full sleeves, and in this pic he's only got a bit of work on the parts of his arms we can see.

the Patriot · Jun 26, 2013

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