Time to make a BIG trade

To make a trade it has to be appealing to the other team you trade with...

English Patriot said:

We gave Tom Brady one REAL receiver in his whole career in Randy Moss and look what they did? Minutes from perfection.

Why not do it again?

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Show me someone of the calibre of 07 Randy Moss that costs less than 5 mill a year and I'll agree with you.

English Patriot said:

We gave Tom Brady one REAL receiver in his whole career in Randy Moss and look what they did? Minutes from perfection.

Why not do it again?

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Welker, Branch, Givens, Patten, and Brown are all fake receivers?

I'm just laughing at all the idiotic overreactions.

Ballard isn't as dynamic a playmaker as Hernandez, but he's still a far better blocker. We were going to be more oriented anyways, and this is just a step towards that.

Who says we need to have a Graham type receiver to compliment Gronk? I'm pretty sure Gronkowski will play well no matter what type of receiver is across from him as long as that guy isn't a complete bum.

"WE NEED TO GO TO A FIVE WIDE SPREAD OFFENSE"
"WE MIGHT AS WELL JSUT BENCH GRONK AND IGNORE TES ALL TOGETHER"
"WE ARE DOOMED UNLESS WE GET LARRY FITZ"
"WE CANT RUN TWO TIGHT END SETS ANYMORE".


New flash: Teams across the NFL have been running two TE sets with far inferior players than we have.

Nobody's going to be riding to the rescue. We're going to dance with those we brought.*

*More than likely.

why would a team trade their great players to us ? What is that we can offer ? Easy to say this "BIG" trade but why would team trade fitzgerald or graham that too late in the season ?

I say let's just watch Dobson become the next Randy Moss.

I'd offer the Pats' future 2nd to the Raiders for Marcel Reece in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately, that's the only guy that would stand a chance at filling Hernandez's exact role. Other than that, I think it's going to be next man up.

The Pats kicked tail before Hernandez was here, they kicked tail when Hernandez was hurt, they'll be just fine. It's what they do. Someone productive leaves or gets hurt. Someone steps up or the offense adapts. And they keep kicking tail.

In the, what, 13 years BB has been here has there been a personnel loss (or two or several at once) that completely gutted the team? They even almost made the playoffs after Brady went down in week one. And he's as indispensable as it gets.

The sky is not falling.

English Patriot said:

I'd like to say that following what Hernandez has gone and just done, that it will be OK and Tom will just 'make the next Hernandez' by being Brady. However i think it's a bit more serious. No matter whether or not Hernandez is a murderer, he is a GREAT football player.

Usually in football when you lose a GREAT player (and most of the times it's because they leave in FA and not in these circumstances) you go make a splash to replace the loss.

So now, if you ask me i believe the Welker loss will not be that bad, we didn't get weaker by replacing him with Amendola, rather we made an AFC contender much STRONGER.

However Hernandez is a big deal. Now i have no doubt Gronk will be fully fit soon and hopefully by week 1/2. The issue is the tandem made Gronk much better but now that's blown up we need some EXPERIENCED offensive explosion.

The only option i see is go make a trade for a big time playmaker to comfort the loss of Hernandez. I'm talking a Larry Fitzgerald type of name and player and not just some has been bumped around the league to fill the void left by this shocking development.

We may have to go back to a more conventional offense which is more receiver orientated than the TE dual threat because i for one don't want Jake Ballard lined up on the other side of Gronk and unless you can miraculously get Jimmy Graham then there is no TE in the NFL to replace Aaron that compliments Gronk that well.

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A big trade will cost us big, I'd rather do a reasonable trade for someone like Andre Roberts, who is an emerging talent and also going towards the end of his contract with a team that will likely not have the cap room to resign him, and he'd be a dramatic upgrade at a position of need. Marcel Reese is another player I'd be willing to trade for.

Those 2 deals would cost us a LOT less than a trade for Larry Fitz and might even have more impact.

Because of the fact that the NFL is the only major american sport with a genuine salary cap, and the only major american sport that does not guarantee player contracts, trades are a completely different commodity in comparison to trades in the NBA, NHL or MLB.

That's why you rarely see them, and when you do it is in the time period between the Super Bowl and the draft. The team on the other end of the deal receives draft pick(s); since the draft has passed, now a trade becomes even more rare.

In baseball you trade away a player who is going to walk as a free agent because of the financial inequity between franchises; that does not translate to the NFL.

In baseball you trade away a player who is going to walk as a free agent so you can rebuild with young prospects. MLB has minor leagues; the NFL has the NCAA to annually replenish rosters with new talent.

In basketball you have sign and trades in order to juggle the cap; those rules do not apply in the NFL.

You just can't apply trade logic from other sports and apply it to the NFL. Even though the term 'trade' is the same, it is a whole different game and the rules are completely different.

PATS16N0 said:

I say let's just watch Dobson become the next Randy Moss.

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I say let's just hope and pray Dobson becomes the next Randy Moss.

English Patriot said:

I'd like to say that following what Hernandez has gone and just done, that it will be OK and Tom will just 'make the next Hernandez' by being Brady. However i think it's a bit more serious. No matter whether or not Hernandez is a murderer, he is a GREAT football player.

Usually in football when you lose a GREAT player (and most of the times it's because they leave in FA and not in these circumstances) you go make a splash to replace the loss.

So now, if you ask me i believe the Welker loss will not be that bad, we didn't get weaker by replacing him with Amendola, rather we made an AFC contender much STRONGER.

However Hernandez is a big deal. Now i have no doubt Gronk will be fully fit soon and hopefully by week 1/2. The issue is the tandem made Gronk much better but now that's blown up we need some EXPERIENCED offensive explosion.

The only option i see is go make a trade for a big time playmaker to comfort the loss of Hernandez. I'm talking a Larry Fitzgerald type of name and player and not just some has been bumped around the league to fill the void left by this shocking development.

We may have to go back to a more conventional offense which is more receiver orientated than the TE dual threat because i for one don't want Jake Ballard lined up on the other side of Gronk and unless you can miraculously get Jimmy Graham then there is no TE in the NFL to replace Aaron that compliments Gronk that well.

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You are overstating the talent of Aaron Hernandez, in my opinion.

That does not mean that I am not concerned myself, or that I do not wish this wouldn't have happened.

AH's main positives were the ability to keep versatile personnel on the field such as himself, who could take advantage of mismatches against the opposing defense. That is the biggest loss and something that may not be able to be replaced very well, if at all. Belichick will have to decide how to best approach that and what options to use. We can spend the next 2 months talking about it, but it's all just our personal opinions and it won't matter one bit.

But AH's actual talent is a bit overstated and he was overrated by many. There are plenty of things that he did wrong at times too, and his athleticism was better than average, but not on the "great" level either. He had his share of doing stupid things, taking penalties, and dropping passes. It depends on how Belichick chooses to approach this, and in the meantime the concern is warranted in my opinion; but at the same time I still think that you are overrating Aaron Hernandez.

We were 5-1 without him, and he/Gronk only played together in 5/18 games last year yet the team still hosted the AFCCG again. We can move on without him, although I can't predict the best way to do that. Belichick will have to make that choice whether it's potentially try and improve on the WR position, replace him with another joker/move TE, use more traditional 2 TE sets on running downs then 3 WR on passing downs, etc, etc...

tonyto3690 said:

I say let's just hope and pray Dobson becomes the next Randy Moss.

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I'd settle for half the player Randy Moss was - that'd still be a win.

Sign Dallas Clark (47 rec, 435 yds, 4 td last year....guy can still catch passes, and understands complex offenses) to replace Hernandez.

Then roll with what you've got:

- Best QB in history throwing the ball
- Exciting, if unproven, set of young WRs
- Best TE in the game (assuming health) in Gronk
- Dynamic set of RBs behind a top 5 offensive line
- Young and improving defense
- Improved special teams

Ladies and gentlemen, the 2013 Patriots will be a very, very good football team. Don't expect 19-0, but they will be excellent.

ivanvamp said:

Sign Dallas Clark (47 rec, 435 yds, 4 td last year....guy can still catch passes, and understands complex offenses) to replace Hernandez.

Then roll with what you've got:

- Best QB in history throwing the ball
- Exciting, if unproven, set of young WRs
- Best TE in the game (assuming health) in Gronk
- Dynamic set of RBs behind a top 5 offensive line
- Young and improving defense
- Improved special teams

Ladies and gentlemen, the 2013 Patriots will be a very, very good football team. Don't expect 19-0, but they will be excellent.

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old, broke.... rather see Sudfeld get the development time and practice time to work up a connection w/ TB and let the coaches 'COACH-EM-UP'.

Even if you got half of the old DC; you are getting a 1-year rental.

In the meantime while the 1-year lease on your old jalopy expires; your super new ferrari of-the-future has been snatched off the PS waiver wire by another team.

The best thing we could do right now is hope we can get some cap room back from this Hernandez fiasco and use that extra money to give an extension to Devin McCourty, a player truly deserving of it.

VrabelJr said:

The best thing we could do right now is hope we can get some cap room back from this Hernandez fiasco and use that extra money to give an extension to Devin McCourty, a player truly deserving of it.

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AH is causing cap acceleration (2014/15 into 13).

There is no cap room to be gained here. Best case is they sue or have some legal clauses in his contract to limit the cap-accelleration. But even if they get refund-credits; if i remember correct the refunds get applied to the following year and NOT current year. So good thing BB built all that cap room to play with - its substantially gone now.

Gumby said:

AH is causing cap acceleration (2014/15 into 13).

There is no cap room to be gained here. Best case is they sue or have some legal clauses in his contract to limit the cap-accelleration. But even if they get refund-credits; if i remember correct the refunds get applied to the following year and NOT current year. So good thing BB built all that cap room to play with - its substantially gone now.

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That brings an interesting question.

What if the Patriots had been virtually right up to their cap limit when this happened? What would they have done if releasing Hernandez put them over the cap?

Would the NFL have given them an immediate waiver on the cap issue, considering that they wanted nothing to do with him as well?