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Speaking of Rappaport getting stuff wrong, he has gotten quite a bit wrong with this story. He incorrectly ran a story that the Pats could not get off the hook for Hernandez's guaranteed money because of this incident because they did not include the clause that would make guaranteed money non-guaranteed for missing games. Except he failed to realize that guaranteed money is not guaranteed for personal conduct in the new CBA and if the Pats cut Hernandez for conduct detrimental to the team, they are off the hook for the guaranteed money without that clause.

Yet another example of a rush to be first to the story than be right. So the story is out there that the Pats screwed up on their contract with Hernandez which is now the prevalent belief. But the reality, they are fairly well protected under the CBA for this incident.

yeah Rob...I have that link to the Globe report debunking all this too...thought I already posted it...here it is...

No need for Patriots to make rash decisions with Aaron Hernandez - Sports - The Boston Globe
 
Joker - I am done with this back and forth with you. Do yourself a favor, go take some Midol. BTW - that is a nice mugshot of yourself.

I think it would help you if you focused on the point of an argument rather than the semantics.
 
Where is the poster who was literally betting their life that AH would be arrested last week? His/her's words not mine. Just shows how much people have allowed these reports to influence their views of the investigation and AH.

He is now dead and unable to respond and defend himself :(
 
oh, and BTW you trolling jackazz...you seriously want to play semantics with me? Clerk of Court? You try to use Courts as some sort of deflection? Clerk of Court, Clerk Of Courts...WTF difference does this make? I hope you ARE saying there is no such thing as a Clerk of Courts because I have a simple google link here with 22 million 900 thousand results that say there is...

https://www.google.com/search?q=cle...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Yea well, Joker, hate to break the bad news to you but my GOOGLE search must be better than yours. My search for "Clerk of Courts" turned up 25,000,000 results. So there.
 
Oh my goodness -- all you lawyers!

Let me try to cut through some of this nonsense by trying to explain how a court works and how a warrant typically will be issued, and who will know it and when.

The clerk of the court is the official at most courts designated to maintain the docket. The docket is the formal record of all proceedings in a given matter. This is one person who manages all the papers for the entire court -- that is, for all of its judges.

There are others who are sometimes called "clerks" who are not this sort of clerk. First, there are people who work for a particular judge. That is, they work in the judge's chambers. They help that particular judge, not the entire court. They are responsible for what happens in the judge's chambers. Second, there are "clerk magistrates." This is an unfortunate title in Mass, but this person is very different from a "clerk of court." This person is like a judge. Anyway, from here on out, I'll refer to the "clerk" as the clerk of the court.

So, when you file papers in court, you usually file them with the clerk. The clerk accepts them, logs them into the docket, and then transmits them to the judge assigned to the case. Usually, you also send a courtesy copy to the judge, but not always. When a paper is filed in this way, the clerk will know about it. Also, if the court keeps a database, it will usually be updated on that database eventually, although most courts are very slow at doing this. Basically, the clerk gets in a bunch of papers each day. They are stamped to show when received and then they go in a big pile, and someone inputs them into the electronic docket. Federal courts do this daily in real time. Many courts have a person do it manually. It can take days or weeks.

Not all papers filed with a court are filed this way. Sometimes, a paper is filed directly with a judge. For example, you're in court, something comes up, and you hand up a paper to the judge. Some judges will say, "file this with the clerk on the way out." Some judges will accept it. When it happens this second way, the clerk will not know about it. Basically, the judge's staff is responsible for getting that document to the clerk's office, which can take a day or a week. Once the clerk's office gets it, it will be logged, but sometimes there is a delay.

A warrant is like the second type of document. It is not filed. Law enforcement or the prosecutor puts together an affidavit (or other evidence) and then brings the warrant directly to a judge or other court officer permitted to sign a warrant. The judge then reviews it and signs or doesn't sign it. Sometimes this happens at the courthouse. Sometimes this happens in the foyer of the duty magistrate's house in the middle of the night while a detective stands on the porch.

As a result, the clerk of the court will have no idea that a warrant has issued unless and until it is brought to him. In some places, this falls through the cracks and takes a while. Sometimes it's the prosecutor's responsibility to get it the clerk. Sometimes it's the judge's responsibility. Similarly, the clerk of the court will have no way to know about unsigned warrants. They don't get filed (at least not usually -- they may later become relevant to some issue and get filed as attachments to other documents).

In addition, every jurisdiction has rules that permit warrants to be issued without them becoming public -- specifically so the defendant isn't alerted until they are served or executed, or for similar reasons. These rules are different everywhere. In some jurisdictions, they sit in the judge's office for a while. In others, they are formally "sealed" -- which means they are filed but filed in a secret way. Other jurisdictions allow warrants to be held by the prosecutor and put in his back pocket, without filing them with the clerk. This is not common, because often the prosecutor will need to claim some kind of exigency to get the warrant which is inconsistent with back-pocketing it.

So, what does it all mean? It means that the clerk will almost never know whether a warrant has been prepared and presented. The clerk may not know that a warrant has been signed for a few days. After a few days, they should know. Finally, there are many different authorities who have power to issue certain types of authority, and many different courts may have overlapping jurisdiction. Police and prosecutors are not always careful about from which judicial officer they obtain a warrant -- what the police care about is that evidence or persons seized will not later be suppressed or vacated. So long as they act in good faith on a warrant, that won't happen, even if the wrong authority, court, or jurisdiction issued it.

At this point, I think it's pretty clear that the Attelboro district court did not issue a public warrant. By now, the clerk would know, and it sounds like he is on record as saying he is not aware of a warrant. Could it be sitting in the box of the magistrate who issued it, not yet transmitted to the clerk's office? Theoretically. Unlikely. Could one have been prepared and submitted and either not signed or signed and then withdrawn with the clerk knowing it? Yes. Could another jurisdiction have issued a warrant (or sealed a warrant) and the clerk in Attelboro not have know it? Sure. I doubt it, but you never know.

So, and this is crucial, I am not making any conclusions here about what this does or doesn't mean regarding Aaron Hernandez. It just seemed to me that some of you were making some assumptions about matters the required a fuller explanation.
 
Joker - I am done with this back and forth with you. Do yourself a favor, go take some Midol. BTW - that is a nice mugshot of yourself.

Call the fight - ding ding ding Joker Wins - because I dont care for the opinion of one who does not know who that is in the avatar.
 
Oh my goodness -- all you lawyers!

Let me try to cut through some of this nonsense by trying to explain how a court works and how a warrant typically will be issued, and who will know it and when.

The clerk of the court is the official at most courts designated to maintain the docket. The docket is the formal record of all proceedings in a given matter. This is one person who manages all the papers for the entire court -- that is, for all of its judges.

There are others who are sometimes called "clerks" who are not this sort of clerk. First, there are people who work for a particular judge. That is, they work in the judge's chambers. They help that particular judge, not the entire court. They are responsible for what happens in the judge's chambers. Second, there are "clerk magistrates." This is an unfortunate title in Mass, but this person is very different from a "clerk of court." This person is like a judge. Anyway, from here on out, I'll refer to the "clerk" as the clerk of the court.

So, when you file papers in court, you usually file them with the clerk. The clerk accepts them, logs them into the docket, and then transmits them to the judge assigned to the case. Usually, you also send a courtesy copy to the judge, but not always. When a paper is filed in this way, the clerk will know about it. Also, if the court keeps a database, it will usually be updated on that database eventually, although most courts are very slow at doing this. Basically, the clerk gets in a bunch of papers each day. They are stamped to show when received and then they go in a big pile, and someone inputs them into the electronic docket. Federal courts do this daily in real time. Many courts have a person do it manually. It can take days or weeks.

Not all papers filed with a court are filed this way. Sometimes, a paper is filed directly with a judge. For example, you're in court, something comes up, and you hand up a paper to the judge. Some judges will say, "file this with the clerk on the way out." Some judges will accept it. When it happens this second way, the clerk will not know about it. Basically, the judge's staff is responsible for getting that document to the clerk's office, which can take a day or a week. Once the clerk's office gets it, it will be logged, but sometimes there is a delay.

A warrant is like the second type of document. It is not filed. Law enforcement or the prosecutor puts together an affidavit (or other evidence) and then brings the warrant directly to a judge or other court officer permitted to sign a warrant. The judge then reviews it and signs or doesn't sign it. Sometimes this happens at the courthouse. Sometimes this happens in the foyer of the duty magistrate's house in the middle of the night while a detective stands on the porch.

As a result, the clerk of the court will have no idea that a warrant has issued unless and until it is brought to him. In some places, this falls through the cracks and takes a while. Sometimes it's the prosecutor's responsibility to get it the clerk. Sometimes it's the judge's responsibility. Similarly, the clerk of the court will have no way to know about unsigned warrants. They don't get filed (at least not usually -- they may later become relevant to some issue and get filed as attachments to other documents).

In addition, every jurisdiction has rules that permit warrants to be issued without them becoming public -- specifically so the defendant isn't alerted until they are served or executed, or for similar reasons. These rules are different everywhere. In some jurisdictions, they sit in the judge's office for a while. In others, they are formally "sealed" -- which means they are filed but filed in a secret way. Other jurisdictions allow warrants to be held by the prosecutor and put in his back pocket, without filing them with the clerk. This is not common, because often the prosecutor will need to claim some kind of exigency to get the warrant which is inconsistent with back-pocketing it.

So, what does it all mean? It means that the clerk will almost never know whether a warrant has been prepared and presented. The clerk may not know that a warrant has been signed for a few days. After a few days, they should know. Finally, there are many different authorities who have power to issue certain types of authority, and many different courts may have overlapping jurisdiction. Police and prosecutors are not always careful about from which judicial officer they obtain a warrant -- what the police care about is that evidence or persons seized will not later be suppressed or vacated. So long as they act in good faith on a warrant, that won't happen, even if the wrong authority, court, or jurisdiction issued it.

At this point, I think it's pretty clear that the Attelboro district court did not issue a public warrant. By now, the clerk would know, and it sounds like he is on record as saying he is not aware of a warrant. Could it be sitting in the box of the magistrate who issued it, not yet transmitted to the clerk's office? Theoretically. Unlikely. Could one have been prepared and submitted and either not signed or signed and then withdrawn with the clerk knowing it? Yes. Could another jurisdiction have issued a warrant (or sealed a warrant) and the clerk in Attelboro not have know it? Sure. I doubt it, but you never know.

So, and this is crucial, I am not making any conclusions here about what this does or doesn't mean regarding Aaron Hernandez. It just seemed to me that some of you were making some assumptions about matters the required a fuller explanation.

You don't know what you are talking about.
 
Your first post in 3 years and that's it? Come on man, at least say why you think that.

My read was that the author was kidding, although I could be wrong.
 
My read was that the author was kidding, although I could be wrong.

Reminds me of a joke.

So, grampa hasn't said a word in 20 years. He lives with his extended family. One day, he sits down for dinner, looks at his plate with disgust, takes a bite, makes a face, and says, "this broccoli sucks."

His daughter says, "dad, you haven't said a word for 20 years, and the first thing you decide to say is that you don't like the broccoli?"

Grampa says, "well, up to now, everything's been ok."
 
So, and this is crucial, I am not making any conclusions here about what this does or doesn't mean regarding Aaron Hernandez. It just seemed to me that some of you were making some assumptions about matters the required a fuller explanation.


I think you are mistaken in thinking that most care about the details of the warrant process. I know I certainly don't. What makes me angry is that the media erroneously filed news reports giving the impression that Hernandez was to be arrested soon. He wasn't. The media was wrong because THEY didn't ask the right questions or adequately learn about the warrant process. It is clear that we have an incompetent and lazy media that isn't really concerned with reporting meaningful, factual news. Given this and other recent experiences I have no idea how people put any trust in these media reports and I certainly don't know how anyone could begin to judge a person's guilt or innocence on them.
 
I have yet to assume anything related to this ongoing case.What I HAVE seen the media report as fact is mostly a game of shells, like the methods a drug cartel uses to wash money...print rumor as fact, use rumor printed as fact from another source that uses yet another source as factual proof...around we go on the media merry go round. What HAS been established is a public statement from Hernandez's attorneys...what they state they are stating as FACT for the record,or so it appears. After this nutbaggery today on this thread,I'm not sure this won't be twisted into something it is not.

Michael Fee of Boston law firm Ropes and Gray, who are representing New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, issued the following statement on Monday night.

"Over the past week, our client, Aaron Hernandez, has been the subject of a relentless flood of rumors, misinformation, and false reports in the media. These include the repeated publication of a supposedly confirmed report that an arrest warrant had been issued for Aaron, a report that was exposed as untrue. None of these false reports come from official sources and we appreciate the professionalism and restraint shown by the Bristol County District Attorney’s Office to date with regard to its public statements while its investigation is underway.


"These include the repeated publication of a supposedly confirmed report that an arrest warrant had been issued for Aaron, a report that was exposed as untrue."

OK...so THAT report is total bunk....BUT "if, then, could be, probably,why wouldn't there be, unnamed sources say" and the on and on rumblings of this shadow warrant ARE to be taken as fact??..from unnamed sources??? the same sources that have been responsible for "a relentless flood of rumors, misinformation, and false reports"? Could there be a warrant that's been drawn up and is just sitting on a judge's desk or whatever else is entailed until it is served? Sure. Is there just as much the same chance that this warrant does NOT exist in any form?..No? It can only be one way?

The fact is NO ONE knows the real truth except the MSP and the judiciary...and they are NOT talking. All other talk and reports are worthless....just more media masturbation. I used the Central Park Five as a prime example of PROVEN MEDIA RUMOR MONGERING run amok...yet here we are, a whole new slew of Pete Hamills ready, willing, and able to use any means to sensationalize and titillate. Again.
 
Where is the poster who was literally betting their life that AH would be arrested last week? His/her's words not mine. Just shows how much people have allowed these reports to influence their views of the investigation and AH.

Someone said 'of course Aaron's going to be arrested to day only an idiot would believe otherwise.' But I don't remember who it is and calling people out for a post from last week generally is poor form so I'm not gonna bother to go research it.

But don't worry, there's still plenty opportunity for Aaron to be arrested and then we'll here all the 'I told you so' posts from people who didn't understand that the counter argument was "we don't know what is going on" and assume anyone who said that wanted him to be innocent because he's a Patriot player.
 
Someone said 'of course Aaron's going to be arrested to day only an idiot would believe otherwise.' But I don't remember who it is and calling people out for a post from last week generally is poor form so I'm not gonna bother to go research it.

But don't worry, there's still plenty opportunity for Aaron to be arrested and then we'll here all the 'I told you so' posts from people who didn't understand that the counter argument was "we don't know what is going on" and assume anyone who said that wanted him to be innocent because he's a Patriot player.

It was the Belicheck010405 guy, but he doesn't seem any more willing to admit to that than he did to consider he was wrong then.
 
I think you are mistaken in thinking that most care about the details of the warrant process.

Hmm, bummer. All that typing for nothing.

Oh well, in that case, just save it for future reference in case the police ever show up at your door in the middle of the night.
 
Someone said 'of course Aaron's going to be arrested to day only an idiot would believe otherwise.' But I don't remember who it is and calling people out for a post from last week generally is poor form so I'm not gonna bother to go research it.

But don't worry, there's still plenty opportunity for Aaron to be arrested and then we'll here all the 'I told you so' posts from people who didn't understand that the counter argument was "we don't know what is going on" and assume anyone who said that wanted him to be innocent because he's a Patriot player.

yeah...it's called being a "homer"...what scumbags we are for being Patriot fans on a Patriot fan site critically examining a media story about the team we are fans of. This site should only be populated by people who are NOT Patriots fans because this kind of homerism displayed by Patriot fans is somehow evil and needs to be eradicated.Wonder what the unnamed sources will say about us?
 
Hmm, bummer. All that typing for nothing.

Oh well, in that case, just save it for future reference in case the police ever show up at your door in the middle of the night.

Don't feel too bad. I did read most of it and thought it somewhat on the border of barely interesting. ;)
 
It was the Belicheck010405 guy, but he doesn't seem any more willing to admit to that than he did to consider he was wrong then.

I said that if he obstructed justice then he could be charged and arrested so you got me there.

And based on the media reports, a warrant for his arrest was prepared for obstruction of justice because that is their interpretation on what a "paper warrant" is (not there is any such thing according to the Massachusetts Judicial System).

But hey - continue on that I felt that he was going to be charged with murder.

Carry on.
 
Oh my goodness -- all you lawyers!

Let me try to cut through some of this nonsense by trying to explain how a court works and how a warrant typically will be issued, and who will know it and when.

The clerk of the court is the official at most courts designated to maintain the docket. The docket is the formal record of all proceedings in a given matter. This is one person who manages all the papers for the entire court -- that is, for all of its judges.

There are others who are sometimes called "clerks" who are not this sort of clerk. First, there are people who work for a particular judge. That is, they work in the judge's chambers. They help that particular judge, not the entire court. They are responsible for what happens in the judge's chambers. Second, there are "clerk magistrates." This is an unfortunate title in Mass, but this person is very different from a "clerk of court." This person is like a judge. Anyway, from here on out, I'll refer to the "clerk" as the clerk of the court.

So, when you file papers in court, you usually file them with the clerk. The clerk accepts them, logs them into the docket, and then transmits them to the judge assigned to the case. Usually, you also send a courtesy copy to the judge, but not always. When a paper is filed in this way, the clerk will know about it. Also, if the court keeps a database, it will usually be updated on that database eventually, although most courts are very slow at doing this. Basically, the clerk gets in a bunch of papers each day. They are stamped to show when received and then they go in a big pile, and someone inputs them into the electronic docket. Federal courts do this daily in real time. Many courts have a person do it manually. It can take days or weeks.

Not all papers filed with a court are filed this way. Sometimes, a paper is filed directly with a judge. For example, you're in court, something comes up, and you hand up a paper to the judge. Some judges will say, "file this with the clerk on the way out." Some judges will accept it. When it happens this second way, the clerk will not know about it. Basically, the judge's staff is responsible for getting that document to the clerk's office, which can take a day or a week. Once the clerk's office gets it, it will be logged, but sometimes there is a delay.

A warrant is like the second type of document. It is not filed. Law enforcement or the prosecutor puts together an affidavit (or other evidence) and then brings the warrant directly to a judge or other court officer permitted to sign a warrant. The judge then reviews it and signs or doesn't sign it. Sometimes this happens at the courthouse. Sometimes this happens in the foyer of the duty magistrate's house in the middle of the night while a detective stands on the porch.

As a result, the clerk of the court will have no idea that a warrant has issued unless and until it is brought to him. In some places, this falls through the cracks and takes a while. Sometimes it's the prosecutor's responsibility to get it the clerk. Sometimes it's the judge's responsibility. Similarly, the clerk of the court will have no way to know about unsigned warrants. They don't get filed (at least not usually -- they may later become relevant to some issue and get filed as attachments to other documents).

In addition, every jurisdiction has rules that permit warrants to be issued without them becoming public -- specifically so the defendant isn't alerted until they are served or executed, or for similar reasons. These rules are different everywhere. In some jurisdictions, they sit in the judge's office for a while. In others, they are formally "sealed" -- which means they are filed but filed in a secret way. Other jurisdictions allow warrants to be held by the prosecutor and put in his back pocket, without filing them with the clerk. This is not common, because often the prosecutor will need to claim some kind of exigency to get the warrant which is inconsistent with back-pocketing it.

So, what does it all mean? It means that the clerk will almost never know whether a warrant has been prepared and presented. The clerk may not know that a warrant has been signed for a few days. After a few days, they should know. Finally, there are many different authorities who have power to issue certain types of authority, and many different courts may have overlapping jurisdiction. Police and prosecutors are not always careful about from which judicial officer they obtain a warrant -- what the police care about is that evidence or persons seized will not later be suppressed or vacated. So long as they act in good faith on a warrant, that won't happen, even if the wrong authority, court, or jurisdiction issued it.

At this point, I think it's pretty clear that the Attelboro district court did not issue a public warrant. By now, the clerk would know, and it sounds like he is on record as saying he is not aware of a warrant. Could it be sitting in the box of the magistrate who issued it, not yet transmitted to the clerk's office? Theoretically. Unlikely. Could one have been prepared and submitted and either not signed or signed and then withdrawn with the clerk knowing it? Yes. Could another jurisdiction have issued a warrant (or sealed a warrant) and the clerk in Attelboro not have know it? Sure. I doubt it, but you never know.

So, and this is crucial, I am not making any conclusions here about what this does or doesn't mean regarding Aaron Hernandez. It just seemed to me that some of you were making some assumptions about matters the required a fuller explanation.

This is a well done synopsis of what the magistrate, presiding judge and the clerk of courts' office would and would not know when it comes to the preparation of a warrant, the service of a warrant and the filing of a warrant.

Hopefully, some of the pom poms over here read it and more importantly understand it.
 
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