Other "Patriots waiting to happen"?

So far, Zak DeOssie and Brian Leonard have both been described, essentially, as tailor-made for the Patriots.

Are there other players to whom you've seen that label attached (in terms of personality, smarts, etc.--not merely b/c they play WR, DB, or LB), or to whom you think it applies?

Tony Gonzales WR Ohio St has Patriots type player written all over him.

Ok,it's really not written on him, but you get the point.

Mkristo Bruce, Michael Allan, and Eric Frampton.

Leonard will go too high and isn't a real area of need for us to use a top pick on a FB.

Right now I'm looking at midround (4th/5th) RBs that BB might take a flyer on.

spacecrime said:

Mkristo Bruce, Michael Allan, and Eric Frampton.

Leonard will go too high and isn't a real area of need for us to use a top pick on a FB.

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Must . . . resist . . . urge . . . to rant . . . about . . . need v. value.

Justin Warren... leader of the Aggie defense, he's a big, run-stopping ILB that reminds me of TJ without the steroid abuse.

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Must . . . resist . . . urge . . . to rant . . . about . . . need v. value.

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Hey, rant away. That's what forums are for

But I'm a major believer that BB will never draft purely for need. That is, if he sees CB as greatest need, he will never pick the best CB available on his pick. Or the best LB or any position available when he drafts. He will go for the player that will have the biggest impact on the team, a blend of need and value, heavily weighted toward value.

If the first part of the sentence I said that Leonard would be drafted too high. What I meant was that he would go way before his value.

So we really aren't in disagreement.

Someone (Brownfan80?) once posted an incredible explantion and analysis of BB's picks when he trades, which strongly implied that BB sometimes has players of like value grouped, and if there are three in one group available when it is his turn to pick, he will trade down, but when two get taken, he will immediately trade up and grab the last one.

He will also not pay attention of how others have valued a player, and will pick a guy (Deion Branch) two-three rounds ahead of where the general concensus has the player slotted.

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Hey, rant away. That's what forums are for

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Fair enough. More on this later, but for now:

But I'm a major believer that BB will never draft purely for need. That is, if he sees CB as greatest need, he will never pick the best CB available on his pick. Or the best LB or any position available when he drafts. He will go for the player that will have the biggest impact on the team, a blend of need and value, heavily weighted toward value.

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I'm not sure I agree with you here--but I don't think we disagree much. Rather, I'd say that need is never the primary factor on draft day. If the player happens to fill a need, so much the better. On the flip side, there's little if any value in a first-round player riding the pine for five years, so a surfeit of talent mitigates against a player (e.g., a pure DL right now).

PATSNUTme said:

Tony Gonzales WR Ohio St has Patriots type player written all over him.

Ok,it's really not written on him, but you get the point.

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how does he have "Patriots" written on him?

mine: Calvin Johnson - hard worker, competitor, a great role model and team player.

too bad hes a top 5 pick

Remix 6 said:

how does he have "Patriots" written on him?

mine: Calvin Johnson - hard worker, competitor, a great role model and team player.

too bad hes a top 5 pick

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Comic Sans?

Eric Weddle would also seem to fit into this category, especially because he brings the versatility to play corner or safety.

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Someone (Brownfan80?) once posted an incredible explantion and analysis of BB's picks when he trades, which strongly implied that BB sometimes has players of like value grouped, and if there are three in one group available when it is his turn to pick, he will trade down, but when two get taken, he will immediately trade up and grab the last one.

He will also not pay attention of how others have valued a player, and will pick a guy (Deion Branch) two-three rounds ahead of where the general concensus has the player slotted.

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That would be rookBoston and his value grouping theory.

spacecrime said:

He will go for the player that will have the biggest impact on the team, a blend of need and value, heavily weighted toward value.

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Yes, as posted previously in a detailed explanation.

Someone (Brownfan80?) once posted an incredible explantion and analysis of BB's picks when he trades, which strongly implied that BB sometimes has players of like value grouped, and if there are three in one group available when it is his turn to pick, he will trade down, but when two get taken, he will immediately trade up and grab the last one.

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I'm aware of BB's draft management and strategy, which includes value, need, trade options, etc. -- but the above explanation has me stumped.

Seneschal2 said:

Yes, as posted previously in a detailed explanation.

I'm aware of BB's draft management and strategy, which includes value, need, trade options, etc. -- but the above explanation has me stumped.

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Simple. To use the 2003 draft as an example:

BB definitely wanted Ty Warren. Let's say for the sake of argument that they were also interested in Johnathan Sullivan, Kevin Williams, and Jimmy Kennedy. When Sullivan and Williams went off the board at #9, BB and SP got nervous. Since they really wanted to get one of those four players, they traded up to #13 to ensure that they WOULD get one of them.

Conversely, if the Pats still had five first-round players they could have taken, they probably would have traded down and gotten extra draft picks, since they'd be able to get a player they'd want at a better cost to them.

How about...

Josh Gattis, S -- Smart, super-intense but coachable safety who hits like a mack truck. Earns lots of comparisons to Rodney Harrison.

Syvelle Newton, WR -- Has played QB and even safety for South Carolina as well as WR, and earned tons of praise from his coaches for being willing to do whatever it takes to help his team. Terrific athlete with plenty of talent if he can focus on the receiver position. Has a brother in the NFL.

As I've said before, I really, really like Gattis's game. Depenidng on how he runs, I would be very happy to have BB snatch him up in the third round.

Another guy that seems like a Patriot in waiting to me is ILB Harris of Michigan. He did all the little dirty work on a defense of stars last season and really impressed me with his leadership and instincts.

DE Bruce of WSU had some really good games this past season. He looked pretty good against the run as well. However I doubt he runs under 4.90 which makes the conversion to OLB, a very difficult one.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Simple. To use the 2003 draft as an example:

BB definitely wanted Ty Warren. Let's say for the sake of argument that they were also interested in Johnathan Sullivan, Kevin Williams, and Jimmy Kennedy. When Sullivan and Williams went off the board at #9, BB and SP got nervous. Since they really wanted to get one of those four players, they traded up to #13 to ensure that they WOULD get one of them.

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Here's the way that deal went down. A serious part of the Pats draft strategy is to anticipate the other teams needs. In fact, the Pats actually have a team needs board set up next to their main board.

The Pats knew that San Diego at #15 was in need of a defensive lineman and may try and leapfrog the Pats at #14 to get him. When the Bears at #13 were on the clock, the Pats and Bears worked out a trade enabling the Pats to move into their slot. SD was then left with all four DL off the board, and ended up trading out of their slot at #15.

Conversely, if the Pats still had five first-round players they could have taken, they probably would have traded down and gotten extra draft picks, since they'd be able to get a player they'd want at a better cost to them.

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Unless they have a specific player in mind. Once again, the draft strategy entails anticipating team needs throughout the draft. BB won't hesitate trading down if he believes Player A will still be on the board when they pick next. Hypothetically, BB won't trade down from #24 unless he can get that player at #28. He'll look at the needs of teams 25-27 before making that decision or risk losing that player. This scenario is of course based on a player he really wants. But there may be a draft where BB sees the available prospects as somewhat equal (like this one), and in his opinion, because all of his highest rated prospects are gone by #24, he bites on a trade offer as better value than remaining at #24. This same scenario can apply at #28, etc.

spacecrime said:

Mkristo Bruce, Michael Allan, and Eric Frampton.

Leonard will go too high and isn't a real area of need for us to use a top pick on a FB.

Right now I'm looking at midround (4th/5th) RBs that BB might take a flyer on.

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Leonard isn't JUST a FB. I have no doubt that the Patriots could use their 2nd rounder on him.

What does that mean isn't JUST a FB??? What else is he, a slow motion RB??? An inexperienced QB or TE????

What are you trying to say, that pass catching, blocking and occasionally running are not aspect of a FB's job????

spacecrime said:

Someone (Brownfan80?) once posted an incredible explantion and analysis of BB's picks when he trades, which strongly implied that BB sometimes has players of like value grouped, and if there are three in one group available when it is his turn to pick, he will trade down, but when two get taken, he will immediately trade up and grab the last one.

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Nope that wasn't me. I remember the post though.

My most remembered post is probably my boo-hoo ***** sob-fest after the Colts loss.

Brownfan80 said:

Nope that wasn't me. I remember the post though.

My most remembered post is probably my boo-hoo ***** sob-fest after the Colts loss.

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BF80, you're taking us all through a time warp today! Catching up on 6 months worth of posts, are you?