What Bill Belichick did to the Vikings...

I never quite understand why people get so excited over trades like this. Ultimately the "crime" depends on what the players available at #29 end up being, versus the players taken with the picks the pats got from the Vikings. It's a two dimes and a nickel for a quarter type trade basically. If the pats hit on their picks, and the guys available at #29 prove to be busts, great. If the Vikings, or a player the Pats had interest in at #29 end up being pro-bowlers, and the Pats trio of picks end up as Chad Jackson, Darius Butler, and Brock Williams redux, then who's guilty of theft? It certainly wouldn't be the Patriots. Some teams trade quantity for quality, and have no regrets.

Personally, I like the deal simply because of the context of this draft. There's as good a shot of hitting on a player on Day 2, as there is late on Day 1. It's why lots of guys projected to go yesterday are still on the board. Plus, teams are going to be gobbling up QB's and reaching for OL I think, which could push a Robert Woods into Patriots territory. Honeybadger at #59 maybe? The bottom line is we won't know who won the deal, or committed a "crime", until a few years from now.

Synovia said:

The last team to win a superbowl with a QB that wasn't playing at an elite level in the playoffs was Indy in 2006 with Manning. And I'm willing to say that one is a strange case.


Prior to that, we're looking at the Ravens, and Dilfer actually played at a well above average level that year.

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SB XL
Roethlisberger finished the game having completed just 9 of 21 passes for 123 yards and having also thrown two interceptions; his 22.6 quarterback rating was the lowest ever of any by a Super Bowl winning quarterback.

He was disgusting in that game as were the officials.

moosekill said:

No you don't need a great QB to win SB's.

Just stop, you don't seem to have a clue what you are talking about in regards to this draft, and the NFL in general. Please stop..................

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Possibly the most ignorant post I've seen in a long time. Hilarious part is you probably believe in that comment

some pretty average qbs have won the SB...
course that was a while ago.

Anyway, the trade did remind me of the scene from deliverance. Complete with Casserio saying "this one has a pretty mouth". "Hard to tell if this one is a sow or a boar!".

No, but that's the rate for a trade I guess. Trade from 29 down 25 spots or so you get 3rd, 4th and 7th. Maybe it's good for both sides, MN had a ton of picks.

Of course you'd wonder why they couldn't have done that earlier with someone for less, but maybe they couldn't. Who knows.

kennyb said:

some pretty average qbs have won the SB...
course that was a while ago.

Anyway, the trade did remind me of the scene from deliverance. Complete with Casserio saying "this one has a pretty mouth". "Hard to tell if this one is a sow or a boar!".

No, but that's the rate for a trade I guess. Trade from 29 down 25 spots or so you get 3rd, 4th and 7th. Maybe it's good for both sides, MN had a ton of picks.

Of course you'd wonder why they couldn't have done that earlier with someone for less, but maybe they couldn't. Who knows.

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No team is winning the SB in today's NFL if the QB isn't playing elite level in the playoffs.

condon84 said:

Clearly you need an great QB to win SBs

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Soooooo, you missed the 2012 season?

condon84 said:

No team is winning the SB in today's NFL if the QB isn't playing elite level in the playoffs.

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Or unless they just huck it up for grabs over and over and over and get really really lucky.........

Ivan said:

Or unless they just huck it up for grabs over and over and over and get really really lucky.........

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I feel like that happened 3 months ago!

Ivan said:

Or unless they just huck it up for grabs over and over and over and get really really lucky.........

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Not sure you could call that luck. Those were the most amazingly blown coverages I have ever seen in my life. Plus, I have to give the guy credit. I don't think Flacco is elite by any stretch of the imagination. But that was a stretch of great football he was playing in that postseason. Much like Eli, I expect him to fall back to Earth.

EDIT: To make it clear, I'm talking about the Broncos game.

KontradictioN said:

Not sure you could call that luck. Those were the most amazingly blown coverages I have ever seen in my life. Plus, I have to give the guy credit. I don't think Flacco is elite by any stretch of the imagination. But that was a stretch of great football he was playing in that postseason. Much like Eli, I expect him to fall back to Earth.

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I expected most of those throws to fall to earth but miraculously most didn't, I'm still in shock.*


*Poster has an unbelievable bias against Joe Flacco, who sucks.

KontradictioN said:

Not sure you could call that luck.

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OK, how about incredibly good fortune?

Ivan said:

OK, how about incredibly good fortune?

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I would call it incompetence on the part of the Donks. For one, you do not let Jones or Smith get behind you at that point in the game. For another, you don't do it against an offense that lives off of that. Any NFL caliber quarterback should have been able to make those throws.

Ivan said:

Or unless they just huck it up for grabs over and over and over and get really really lucky.........

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Believe or not, other teams and players can also play well, even better than Patriot players!

Dobson>Patterson

So far, the trade is Cordarrelle Patterson for Jamie Collins and Logan Ryan. I wouldn't be crowing about how we kicked the Vikings ass in this trade just yet. You know the Pats are gonna picks another UDFA with pick 102 like they did with Harmon, OR they will trade the pick for a 5th and a 4th next year, possibly missing out on another stud receiver like Da'Rick Rogers or even a perfect Patriot like Ryan Swope.

Lifer said:

Dobson>Patterson

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You're the ONLY person who thinks that. No scout out there agrees with you.

Pending pick 102, what would people have really rathered?

Patterson, Dobson, and Ryan (draft Ryan instead of Harmon at 91 since he was ahead of him on BB's board)

or

Collins, Dobson, Ryan, Harmon, pick 104

Two swing for the fences type WRs, one would of panned out. Patterson could've helped on screens and slants too.

scott99 said:

You're the ONLY person who thinks that. No scout out there agrees with you.

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Youve convinced me. Nobody in the whole wide world. Patterson is Jerry Rice.

ivanvamp said:

Definitely. He's accumulated the 2nd most picks in the NFL from 2000-2012, which means his broader strategy seems to be playing the odds. In a world where it really is a bit of a crapshoot, accumulating more picks gives him a better chance of finding real talent. Since each team has the same roster size, more picks necessarily means more swings and misses, but for BB it has also meant more home runs as well.

I think the overall success of the franchise since 2000 speaks to the efficacy of this strategy.

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Good point. Over the years, Patriots like to spread their bets on the place (2nd) and show (3rd) positions, over the win bets (1st), to blend a yield that is consistent and unspectacular.

groundgame said:

Good point. Over the years, Patriots like to spread their bets on the place (2nd) and show (3rd) positions, over the win bets (1st), to blend a yield that is consistent and unspectacular.

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If it's so "unspectacular" then explain to me why NE has drafted more Pro Bowl selections than any other franchise since 2000?