Ryan Mallett trade rumors resurface, hours before draft begins

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

Quoting a portion of the article that makes it sound like the Cards were in a three game skid entering the Pats game, despite only having one consecutive loss, surely wasn't your plan to prove you aren't spinning facts?

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Don't blame me. Blame the article. But I do understand what they were talking about though, when referencing the last three losses. Prior to that, they had lost three of their last four including two 28 point thumpings at the hands of the Eagles and Vikings. Further, if you don't wish to believe me, then you can always check out their America's Game show where they specifically reference the kind of football that they were playing at that point in time.

However, if you and IC wish to believe that the Cards were playing like juggernauts at that point in the season, go to town.

Maybe I just don't get it...it seems most want to trade Mallett to get an extra draft pick this year. But if he's traded, we'll need to draft another QB.
And since this draft is a weak class for QB, the Pats don't really gain anything here...
Belichick is always building depth at every position, there's no way he would go into this season with Kafka as the backup to a 36 years old starter.

RDS11 said:

Maybe I just don't get it...it seems most want to trade Mallett to get an extra draft pick this year. But if he's traded, we'll need to draft another QB.
And since this draft is a weak class for QB, the Pats don't really gain anything here...
Belichick is always building depth at every position, there's no way he would go into this season with Kafka as the backup to a 36 years old starter.

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Well:
(A) They went with Brian Hoyer in 2009, so if they trust Kafka, why not?
(B) Even anyone they select this year isn't likely to be "The Guy."

KontradictioN said:

Don't blame me. Blame the article. But I do understand what they were talking about though, when referencing the last three losses. Prior to that, they had lost four of their last five including two 28 point thumpings at the hands of the Eagles and Vikings. Further, if you don't wish to believe me, then you can always check out their America's Game show where they specifically reference the kind of football that they were playing at that point in time.

However, if you and IC wish to believe that the Cards were playing like juggernauts at that point in the season, go to town.

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Do I get to blame you for this misrepresentation? They'd lost three of the four prior to the NE game. All three of those losses were to PO teams.

The NFL is an extremely competitive league. Framing losses in the league doesn't make much sense, and if I was following the conversation it certainly seemed that the "well the 11-5 record was just because of an easy schedule" crowd started the practice in this convo.

I don't think that the Pats were world beaters that season, but I also don't think the plan was duck and cover if Brady went down, nor do I think it's the current plan.

Anyone see the southpark episode, the Hardley Boys? The one where it makes fun of the truthers, and insinuates the Government is okay with people believing 9/11 was a conspiracy because it makes them seem all powerful.

Am I the only one who thinks these rumors surfacing all of a sudden is pretty fishy and it's just a ploy by Belichick to stir up panic by the Browns or any other team, and force them to pay up?

I still can't believe any team will trade a top 60 pick for Mallett.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

Do I get to blame you for this misrepresentation? They'd lost three of the four prior to the NE game. All three of those losses were to PO teams.

The NFL is an extremely competitive league. Framing losses in the league doesn't make much sense, and if I was following the conversation it certainly seemed that the "well the 11-5 record was just because of an easy schedule" crowd started the practice in this convo.

I don't think that the Pats were world beaters that season, but I also don't think the plan was duck and cover if Brady went down, nor do I think it's the current plan.

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The season was over when Brady went down. Most of us hoped otherwise, because of 16-0 the year before, but time proved otherwise.

The rest is just revisionism and fighting over the bones.

Draftniks must be draftniks; nothing is morre important than another draft pick, even if there is nothing to pick.

If Mallett is traded, the Pats then need to find (draft) his replacement. Trading him for a 2nd or 3rd this year almost forces them to use the new draft pick tosimply draft a QB in a barren year for QBs.

How does that improve anything at all. It doesn't !!

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

Do I get to blame you for this misrepresentation? They'd lost three of the four prior to the NE game. All three of those losses were to PO teams.

The NFL is an extremely competitive league. Framing losses in the league doesn't make much sense, and if I was following the conversation it certainly seemed that the "well the 11-5 record was just because of an easy schedule" crowd started the practice in this convo.

I don't think that the Pats were world beaters that season, but I also don't think the plan was duck and cover if Brady went down, nor do I think it's the current plan.

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Maybe you should clean your pants out, my friend. It was a typo. I included the Pats game in there and it has since been edited. Obviously it was a typo because I only talked about them getting shellacked by the Eagles and Vikings.

As for the rest of your response, I'll again point you in the direction of their America's Game episode where they flat out admitted how badly they were playing. The Pats season that year was over the minute Brady went down, unless I somehow missed them entering the playoffs, then winning the Super Bowl...

AzPatsFan said:

If Mallett is traded, the Pats then need to find (draft) his replacement. Trading him for a 2nd or 3rd this year almost forces them to use the new draft pick tosimply draft a QB in a barren year for QBs.

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I don't think this is true at all. They can easily sign another NFL vet to backup Brady for a year or two, on the assumption that if Brady goes down, so goes the team, and neither a rookie nor Mallet would change that.

Admitting that when your starting QB goes down your team goes with it isn't particularly hard. Look at Super Bowl champions and runners-up in the last decade and find me a team who would have even been there with their backup QB instead of their day 1 starter. The 49ers from last year are probably it, and that's because their backup QB was better than their starter all along.

Deus Irae said:

The season was over when Brady went down. Most of us hoped otherwise, because of 16-0 the year before, but time proved otherwise.

The rest is just revisionism and fighting over the bones.

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Yup the season was so over when Brady went down. Going 11-5, missing the playoffs due to a tie breaker, and tying the mark for the best record to miss the playoffs definitely meant they weren't even close to making the playoffs in 2008.

I'd rather have Weeden than Mallett.

BKBroiler said:

Yup the season was so over when Brady went down. Going 11-5, missing the playoffs due to a tie breaker, and tying the mark for the best record to miss the playoffs definitely meant they weren't even close to making the playoffs in 2008.

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The 11 wins means nothing. They didn't make the playoffs, and they got waxed in 3 of their 5 losses.

AzPatsFan said:

Draftniks must be draftniks; nothing is morre important than another draft pick, even if there is nothing to pick.

If Mallett is traded, the Pats then need to find (draft) his replacement. Trading him for a 2nd or 3rd this year almost forces them to use the new draft pick tosimply draft a QB in a barren year for QBs.

How does that improve anything at all. It doesn't !!

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Why is this?

For instance if Philly wants him, we could pick up foles, If the browns want him we could pick up weeden, if the jags want him we could pick up henne.

JJDChE said:

I'd rather have Weeden than Mallett.

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You have quite an eye for quarterbacking talent.

This team isn't a contender without Brady. A backup should be a guy that could help you beat bad teams if 12 goes down for a few weeks during the season. Anything more than that is a waste of resources--either salary or draft picks. Mallett was a luxury pick in a draft where they had a lot of picks. If they can move him for a decent pick in a draft where you only have five, I think that would be a good move. Get Hoyer back and we'd be OK at backup QB.

Deus Irae said:

The 11 wins means nothing. They didn't make the playoffs, and they got waxed in 3 of their 5 losses.

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So? Winning either one of the other two would have put them in the playoffs, *and* it took nearly every single game those last few weeks going the wrong way for the Patriots to miss the playoffs.

Spiral said:

This team isn't a contender without Brady. A backup should be a guy that could help you beat bad teams if 12 goes down for a few weeks during the season. Anything more than that is a waste of resources--either salary or draft picks. Mallett was a luxury pick in a draft where they had a lot of picks. If they can move him for a decent pick in a draft where you only have five, I think that would be a good move. Get Hoyer back and we'd be OK at backup QB.

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Perfect post, but people will till act like 2013 is 2008 and that we have a chance w/o Brady. Very easy schedule + ok defense does not equal hard schedule + garbage D (in before 9th in points allowed!!!)

trade him..we need picks!

ctpatsfan77 said:

So? Winning either one of the other two would have put them in the playoffs, *and* it took nearly every single game those last few weeks going the wrong way for the Patriots to miss the playoffs.

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Well..lot of respect for how cassel and team played that yr. wont take anything away but that was team talented in a lot of other positions and played one of the easiest schedules AFC west and NFC West.