The reason why Marquise Hill is still on this team

I don't know where all the man love for Hill comes from but I disagree. He is in the last year of his contract and history shows this is where the Patriots cut bait on there "projects". See Klecko and Bethel from 2006.

He could make the roster but if the Pats draft a defensive lineman he will behind the eight ball as the younger player will have more value because of the contract control.

I don't know how I got sucked up in this, promise last post about Hill untill he makes a tackle.

pats1 said:

Incorrect on both counts.

Unless someone proves to BB & co. that they are more valuable (how?) as a 4th DE - that hasn't been done for 3 years now - Hill will stay right where he is.

And don't hold your breath. He isn't going to step up and contribute. Look for 2006 all over again. And if he makes the roster again in 2007, the same thing. NOTHING will change as long as Seymour, Warren, and Green are Seymour, Warren, and Green.

How do you expect him to contribute in his current reserve role? Dry the bench? Polish shoes? It's not going to happen. BB preaches having a role on a football team, and that's Hill's role. Not as a result of his play, but rather that of his Pro-Bowl caliber peers.

However, why would you suddenly expect things to change if they replaced Hill with anyone less than a Julius Peppers? What will they do, make Green inactive? If Seymour, Warren, and Green are active, NO OTHER DEFENSIVE END ON THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS WILL BE.

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121 posts on why Marquise Hill is still on the team.

Sigh. Must be the off-season.

Oswlek said:

I am sorry. This statement is patently false.

The two games that Hill was given action before the game was decided, he was pulle prior to the end of the same series. Neither time was he in to give a guy a brief rest, either. In the Jet game, Warren was inactive and Seymour could only play a half. Amazingly enough, the guy that you say only gets on the field due to playing a different position, Wright, came in immediately and replaced Hill at his positon. Doesn't that reflect even worse on Hill? A guy who doesn't even play the same position had to come in because Hill was playing so poorly?

Then in the TN game, NE had just gotten what should have been a game controlling TD. Hill went in and was abused so badly that the team had to put one of their starters back on the field.

Again, I understand that Wright has a little more position flexibility and he plays special teams, thus he will get the activation nod. But the times Hill has seen the field he has been terrible. If you can't accept the fact that the 4th DE positon needs an upgrade I don't what to tell you. But I can't believe that the team seriously believes the same thing that you do. Even when two of the DE's in front of him can't play, Hill still doesn't see the field. He is bad.

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Right on the money. Don't worry, virtually everyone and their mother knows this is true. There is only person on here grasping at straws regarding this topic. By the way, I notice that person didn't respond to this post. That's because everything said in it is 100 percent true and can't be disputed by any logical Patriots fan. What you stated is fact, not opinion. That's why you are right and the other person keeps saying the same thing over and over like Hill doesn't get a chance. Not true. He has had chances, even in preseason and has looked terrible. The bottom line is this guy is trying to defend Marquise Hill and he's probably doing it with a straight face. Hilarious.

You know what's amazing? The Patriots had all these offensive linemen on the roster and yet somehow, a fifth-round draft pick was able to crack the starting lineup before the season started. How? He moved up the depth chart by impressing the coaching staff in training camp and during preseason games. Apparently Marquise Hill hasn't been given those same opportunities to develop into anything more than a waterboy during his three years in New England. I'm sure if Hill had any talent at all, Belichick would try to get him into the gameplan for at least one or two games a year. You all know Bill. He loves to make players that can help his team win inactive EVERY SINGLE WEEK. Makes sense.

cstjohn17 said:

I don't know where all the man love for Hill comes from but I disagree. He is in the last year of his contract and history shows this is where the Patriots cut bait on there "projects". See Klecko and Bethel from 2006.

He could make the roster but if the Pats draft a defensive lineman he will behind the eight ball as the younger player will have more value because of the contract control.

I don't know how I got sucked up in this, promise last post about Hill untill he makes a tackle.

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Then this will be your last post.

cstjohn17 said:

I don't know where all the man love for Hill comes from but I disagree. He is in the last year of his and history shows this is where the Patriots cut bait on there "projects". See Klecko and Bethel from 2006.

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Really? I guess someone forgot to buy me my 2008 calendar last Christmas.

cstjohn17 said:

He could make the roster but if the Pats draft a defensive lineman he will behind the eight ball as the younger player will have more value because of the contract control.

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That might be true next year, but drafting another DE at this point will just be restarting the "Marquise Hill vicious cycle."

cstjohn17 said:

I don't know how I got sucked up in this, promise last post about Hill until he makes a tackle.

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And so what happens if you post again before March 2009?

My bad, I didn't know he was signed through 2008. He will hold onto his place at #6 on the depth chart and we should expect the same level of production from him in 2007. He has a rare body type, if he can assume a role of 5-10 snaps per game he will move into a category of "Major Disapointment" and away from his current state "Total Bust".

pats1 said:

Really? I guess someone forgot to buy me my 2008 calendar last Christmas.



That might be true next year, but drafting another DE at this point will just be restarting the "Marquise Hill vicious cycle."



And so what happens if you post again before March 2009?

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patriotsrule said:

Right on the money. Don't worry, virtually everyone and their mother knows this is true.

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Not exactly. You'll see, later.

patriotsrule said:

There is only person on here grasping at straws regarding this topic. By the way, I notice that person didn't respond to this post.

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I'm sorry I can't break down 3 hours worth of film in 2 minutes.

patriotsrule said:

That's because everything said in it is 100 percent true and can't be disputed by any logical Patriots fan. What you stated is fact, not opinion.

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No, some of Oswlek's facts in there aren't true, and much of it is opinion.

patriotsrule said:

That's why you are right and the other person keeps saying the same thing over and over like Hill doesn't get a chance.

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Who are you trying to fool? Just refer to me by my name.

patriotsrule said:

Not true. He has had chances, even in preseason and has looked terrible. The bottom line is this guy is trying to defend Marquise Hill and he's probably doing it with a straight face. Hilarious.

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And it's been 12 hours, and I've yet to see you backup your claims with something other than personal attacks.

patriotsrule said:

You know what's amazing? The Patriots had all these offensive linemen on the roster and yet somehow, a fifth-round draft pick was able to crack the starting lineup before the season started. How? He moved up the depth chart by impressing the coaching staff in training camp and during preseason games.

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Are you serious?

The 2003 depth chart at center, circa training camp:

1) Woody
2) Koppen
3) Conaty

Conaty obviously didn't stick around. Woody got hurt later on in the preseason, giving Koppen the chance to start then.

But come opening day, Woody was the starter. Compton at LG. Andruzzi at RG.

In Week 2, Woody was injured and Compton went down with a season-ending injury. Woody moved to LG and Koppen started the rest of the season at C.

patriotsrule said:

Apparently Marquise Hill hasn't been given those same opportunities to develop into anything more than a waterboy during his three years in New England.

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When did Seymour go down for the season? When was Jarvis Green cut?

patriotsrule said:

I'm sure if Hill had any talent at all, Belichick would try to get him into the gameplan for at least one or two games a year.

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If Hill didn't have talent, BB would not have kept him on this roster for 3 seasons.

How would he work him into the gameplan? Take time away from Warren and Seymour? Are you crazy?

patriotsrule said:

You all know Bill. He loves to make players that can help his team win inactive EVERY SINGLE WEEK. Makes sense.

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Pathetic.

Brady was inactive for all but one game in 2000. Steve Neal was inactive for the handful of games he was on the Pats' roster in 2001. Tom Ashworth was inactive for all but 1 game in 2002, and Russ Hochstein for all but 2 in the same year.

It took Bledsoe going down, Woody and Compton leaving/getting hurt, and Jones/Randall/Klemm leaving for those four players to all start in a Super Bowl.

cstjohn17 said:

My bad, I didn't know he was signed through 2008. He will hold onto his place at #6 on the depth chart and we should expect the same level of production from him in 2007. He has a rare body type, if he can assume a role of 5-10 snaps per game he will move into a category of "Major Disapointment" and away from his current state "Total Bust".

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It's not going to happen. He'll be inactive for most games in 2007, too, just as any 4th DE would.

If your idea of a bust is someone who never got a legitimate chance to play, then sure.

The true test is how he performs with whatever team he gets picked up by in 2009. Don't think teams aren't paying attention.

pats1 said:

Why wouldn't Wright be included in the NT mix? He did a great job at NT when Wilfork was hurt. He does give Wilfork a rest from time to time - look at the final drive of the Colts game, for example.

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Using that as an example, would that be considered damning with faint praise?

Edit: Given the situation, however, a pure 3-4 NT probably wouldn't be on the field, anyway.

pats1 said:

Marquise Hill didn't do anything spectacular in the preseason.

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True. He cannot even distinguiish himself against scrubbies.

pats1 said:

When the **** has he had time to prove himself?

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Are you saying he never played? Of course he has been in games. He just sucked, that's all.

pats1 said:

have you ever heard Hill complain?

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Of course not. If you are getting paid big bucks that you don't deserve, why would you complain?

What's with the big love affair with Hill, anyway? Most of us were ecstatic when he was drafted, believing that if he stayed in school one more year he would have been a top five pick. We have come to accept that he isn't good enough to spell Warren or even beat out Green for a little playing time.

I never judge a player on his first year, no matter how bad. All rookies develop differently. And since Hill was a project, I wouldn't expect him to show up until maybe his third year. He hasn't. Maybe he is a super-late blooomer, or maybe he is a bust, or maybe he needs a change of scenery, but whatever, he has done nothing to show me anything the times he played.

He was active for 8 games in 2005, so he hasn't been inactive all the time. The telling stat is that he was only active for 4 in 2006. He is clearly moving in the wrong direction.

pats1 said:

The true test is how he performs with whatever team he gets picked up by .... Don't think teams aren't paying attention.

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Ha ha. This is what you said about Patrick Pass when he got cut a couple years ago. No one paid attention to him, either, and the Pats finally signed him midway in the season after no one wanted him.

Does this mean you finally accept that I was right about Pass? I said at the end of 2005 he played his last game for the Pats. The only reason he wasn't cut last year was that he went on PUP. Then in his mid-seasaon chance to make the roster he couldn't beat out Heath Evans for his old job (as predicted by yours truly. Ahem.)

So, what? Marquise Hill is your new hopeless cause?

Marquise Hill is the new Dan Klecko.

When/if we cut Marquise Hill, he'll be in the end rotation in Cleveland within 48 hours. There's clearly a logjam on this team at the end position, which is why Santonio Thomas is the longest tenured member of our practice squad... there's just no way to get off it.

The depth chart on the defensive line will not change unless the Pats find a backup nose they like. That is all. You may resume waging war against pats1.

unoriginal said:

Marquise Hill is the new Dan Klecko.

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That's unfair to Klecko. Klecko actually made a few tackles, some sacks, and even scored a TD when he got some rare PT. Marquise Hill, meanwhile, has ended up on his butt the five or six plays he's seen action. But I know, I know, poor Marquise is just a victim of the system....

captain stone said:

Using that as an example, would that be considered damning with faint praise?

Edit: Given the situation, however, a pure 3-4 NT probably wouldn't be on the field, anyway.

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Nah, that was a long drive (nothing new for that game).

spacecrime said:

Ha ha. This is what you said about Patrick Pass when he got cut a couple years ago. No one paid attention to him, either, and the Pats finally signed him midway in the season after no one wanted him.

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Patrick Pass last got cut in 2003.

I wasn't on PatsFans in 2003.

spacecrime said:

Does this mean you finally accept that I was right about Pass? I said at the end of 2005 he played his last game for the Pats. The only reason he wasn't cut last year was that he went on PUP. Then in his mid-seasaon chance to make the roster he couldn't beat out Heath Evans for his old job (as predicted by yours truly. Ahem.)

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Huh? He played in 3 games this season, had two decent games against the Lions and Dolphins. But he got hurt again and went on the IR. He did beat out Heath.

spacecrime said:

So, what? Marquise Hill is your new hopeless cause?

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Hopeless cause he is indeed, but any other player put in the same situation would have the same problem.

pats1 said:

How would he work him into the gameplan? Take time away from Warren and Seymour? Are you crazy?

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He couldn't even get on the field and stay on it when both guys were hurt against the Jets.

spacecrime said:

True. He cannot even distinguiish himself against scrubbies.

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And guys like Michael Bishop did. Fantastic. That got him far in the NFL.

spacecrime said:

Are you saying he never played? Of course he has been in games. He just sucked, that's all.

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Few and very far between.

spacecrime said:

Of course not. If you are getting paid big bucks that you don't deserve, why would you complain?

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It's always about the next contract.

spacecrime said:

What's with the big love affair with Hill, anyway? Most of us were ecstatic when he was drafted, believing that if he stayed in school one more year he would have been a top five pick. We have come to accept that he isn't good enough to spell Warren or even beat out Green for a little playing time.

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There aren't enough active players on gameday to have somebody spelling a starter at every position.

You can't compare what Green does to what Hill does. Green is a 3rd down rusher often used in a 4-2 or 2-4 nickel (depending on stance of OLBs) as a pass rusher. Hill is a run-stopper. The Pats already have two of them.

spacecrime said:

I never judge a player on his first year, no matter how bad. All rookies develop differently. And since Hill was a project, I wouldn't expect him to show up until maybe his third year. He hasn't.

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Where did you expect him to show up? As a starting DE over Warren? As a pass-rushing specialist? Those were his ONLY two options.

spacecrime said:

Maybe he is a super-late blooomer, or maybe he is a bust, or maybe he needs a change of scenery, but whatever, he has done nothing to show me anything the times he played.

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Again, they've been few and far between. Just because a player isn't a world beater in the handful of snaps a season he gets doesn't mean he isn't working hard in practice. Keep in mind Hill's size also keeps him from getting the benefit of the doubt by performing on special teams.

spacecrime said:

He was active for 8 games in 2005, so he hasn't been inactive all the time. The telling stat is that he was only active for 4 in 2006. He is clearly moving in the wrong direction.

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C'mon space, I would have expected you to be smarter than to say that.

He was active for 4 less games this year than last. That is DIRECTLY linked to the fact that Seymour was active 4 more games this season than last.

dhamz said:

He couldn't even get on the field and stay on it when both guys were hurt against the Jets.

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Hold up. That misconception will be addressed shortly.

unoriginal said:

Marquise Hill is the new Dan Klecko.

When/if we cut Marquise Hill, he'll be in the end rotation in Cleveland within 48 hours. There's clearly a logjam on this team at the end position, which is why Santonio Thomas is the longest tenured member of our practice squad... there's just no way to get off it.

The depth chart on the defensive line will not change unless the Pats find a backup nose they like. That is all. You may resume waging war against pats1.

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It's nice to know I'm not the only one who gets it.

Seymour93 said:

That's unfair to Klecko. Klecko actually made a few tackles, some sacks, and even scored a TD when he got some rare PT.

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Right, Marquise has lined up all those times at FB and LB.

Seymour93 said:

Marquise Hill, meanwhile, has ended up on his butt the five or six plays he's seen action.

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Another moronic misconception that will be addressed shortly.