Front office still interested in Ryan Mallett: Cleveland Browns Insider

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

Jax said:
They could franchise him and lock him up like we did with Cassell.

20m is a lot of money to spend - look at the pain the Ravens are experiencing.

Brady6 · Mar 18, 2013

manxman2601 said:
20m is a lot of money to spend - look at the pain the Ravens are experiencing.[/QUOTE

The tag was $14.5 million this year for a non exclusive franchise QB. The Ravens use an exclusive tag on Flacco.

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

Jax said:
manxman2601 said:

20m is a lot of money to spend - look at the pain the Ravens are experiencing.[/QUOTE

The tag was $14.5 million this year for a non exclusive franchise QB. The Ravens use an exclusive tag on Flacco.

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Only 14.5m. Well that's alright then

BelichickFan · Mar 18, 2013

manxman2601 said:
The one problem for teams maybe trading for Mallett is they can't negotiate a contract with him until next year. What if he doesn't want to negotiate with them? They give up a valuable draft pick for a 2 yr rental. It's a risk.

I get the thinking but I think it's somewhat of a better thing for the team getting him. Say they traded a #2. Sure it sucks if Mallett washes out and you lose a #2 but you also get a two year look without locking yourself into a big contract. The other side is still trading a #2 and giving him a big extension - now if he's a bust you're much worse off.

I'd prefer to trade a #2 and have to extend a proven QB in two years than trade a #2 and extend an unproven QB now.

Brady6 · Mar 18, 2013

IllegalContact said:
at this point, I would take the 6th pick for Mallet, sign fitzpatrick as a backup, then

let both welker and lloyd walk

sign talib, vollmer......and goldson

draft:
1a - DE ezikiel ansah
1b - DT sylvester williams
2 - WR robert woods
3 - WR ryan swope

woods and swope were both very productive in college and both are ahead of the curve when it comes to route running......

find some vet WR production for short $$

If they were to some how convince the Browns to give them the 6th pick it would make more sense for us to attempt to trade to a mid teens pick and pick up an extra 2nd. Then I would do the following

1A - WR Patterson
1B - CB Marcus Trufant

2A - DT Kwan Short
2B - WR Robert Woods

Assuming we give our 3rd to Pittsburg in the Sanders deal if not I'd likely try and draft a swing tackle.

I don't actually see it happening but I guess we can dream.

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

BelichickFan said:
I get the thinking but I think it's somewhat of a better thing for the team getting him. Say they traded a #2. Sure it sucks if Mallett washes out and you lose a #2 but you also get a two year look without locking yourself into a big contract. The other side is still trading a #2 and giving him a big extension - now if he's a bust you're much worse off.

I'd prefer to trade a #2 and have to extend a proven QB in two years than trade a #2 and extend an unproven QB now.

The second option gives you greater flexibility because chances are, you'll be extending him for less and for a shorter term. Also, with only one year left on his contract, the price of acquisition is probably less.

Anyway, I'm just playing Devil's advocate - the original argument was one I'd seen made by people in the business arguing as to why teams were less likely to trade for Mallett this year rather than next.

Brady6 · Mar 18, 2013

manxman2601 said:
Jax said:

Only 14.5m. Well that's alright then

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I didn't say only I just said what it was.

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

Jax said:
manxman2601 said:

I didn't say only I just said what it was.

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I was joshing. I tend to agree with the argument you and others are making - I was just pointing out another aspect that I'd seen made.

BelichickFan · Mar 18, 2013

manxman2601 said:
The second option gives you greater flexibility because chances are, you'll be extending him for less and for a shorter term. Also, with only one year left on his contract, the price of acquisition is probably less.

Anyway, I'm just playing Devil's advocate - the original argument was one I'd seen made by people in the business arguing as to why teams were less likely to trade for Mallett this year rather than next.

You're definitely saying what the general consensus is. And the extension now would be a lot cheaper than the extension later. But if I were a team I'd prefer to find myself a great QB and pay him a LOT vs. get myself an unknown and pay him a moderate amount.

MUFC7 · Mar 18, 2013

I don't think there is a chance for a trade involving their 1st round pick this year. For example look at the Julio Jones trade. Of course that was a better class with more elite talent but Atlanta had to give them their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012. That's the kind of deal you make to get a franchise QB. Do you really believe they could sell that to their fanbase? Mallett the franchise QB? Even with 2 years experience behind Tom Brady that's simply not going to happen, even if they receive a 1st rounder in exchange.

I'd say realistic is the 2013 3rd and 2014 2-3nd round choice. Maybe they'd be dumb enough to offer their 2014 1st rounder. But I don't think there is a chance for letting go of that 1st round choice this year.

But honestly he should be traded this off season to get anything for him. Next years class is going to be much better and that will make it next to impossible to trade him for a good pick as teams in need will try to adress that in the 1st round.

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

BelichickFan said:
You're definitely saying what the general consensus is. And the extension now would be a lot cheaper than the extension later. But if I were a team I'd prefer to find myself a great QB and pay him a LOT vs. get myself an unknown and pay him a moderate amount.

Absolutely. If you are convinced Mallett's your guy, you get him regardless of price (within reason), fan hysteria or later contracts.

ausbacker · Mar 18, 2013

MUFC7 said:
I don't think there is a chance for a trade involving their 1st round pick this year. For example look at the Julio Jones trade. Of course that was a better class with more elite talent but Atlanta had to give them their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012. That's the kind of deal you make to get a franchise QB. Do you really believe they could sell that to their fanbase? Mallett the franchise QB? Even with 2 years experience behind Tom Brady that's simply not going to happen, even if they receive a 1st rounder in exchange.

I'd say realistic is the 2013 3rd and 2014 2-3nd round choice. Maybe they'd be dumb enough to offer their 2014 1st rounder. But I don't think there is a chance for letting go of that 1st round choice this year.

But honestly he should be traded this off season to get anything for him. Next years class is going to be much better and that will make it next to impossible to trade him for a good pick as teams in need will try to adress that in the 1st round.

The Julio Jones trade was fine for Cleveland. They landed Phil Taylor and moved around to net Trent Richardson as a subsequent deal. The fault lies in their drafting of Greg Little and Brandon Weeden. As usual, trades can be looked at in isolation if you remove the players picked.

Seels · Mar 18, 2013

Hey guys, there's seriously 0% chance the Browns give up the 6th overall pick for Mallett, please stop discussing this as if there is any reasonable way it happens.

More likely is some combo of a lower pick this year (like a 4/5) and next years 3rd. No way they get a 1st, little chance they even see a second out of it.

IcyPatriot · Mar 18, 2013

At this point in time I would rather we carry a 3rd QB on the roster for now. Mallet will be more valuable as a trade come training camp / start of season where injuries may factor in. Maybe we get lucky and draft Zac Dysert.

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

IcyPatriot said:
At this point in time I would rather we carry a 3rd QB on the roster for now. Mallet will be more valuable as a trade come training camp / start of season where injuries may factor in. Maybe we get lucky and draft Zac Dysert.

I really like Zac Dysert as a prospect. We've had an extended look at Jeff Tuel from Washington State. He has a bit of a Pats feel to him.

manxman2601 · Mar 18, 2013

Seels said:
Hey guys, there's seriously 0% chance the Browns give up the 6th overall pick for Mallett, please stop discussing this as if there is any reasonable way it happens.

More likely is some combo of a lower pick this year (like a 4/5) and next years 3rd. No way they get a 1st, little chance they even see a second out of it.

No-ones talking about trading Mallett for #6 outright.

And as for stopping discussing it, what's wrong with discussing hypotheticals? It's a good way to explore all the potential outcomes.

MUFC7 · Mar 18, 2013

ausbacker said:
The Julio Jones trade was fine for Cleveland. They landed Phil Taylor and moved around to net Trent Richardson as a subsequent deal. The fault lies in their drafting of Greg Little and Brandon Weeden. As usual, trades can be looked at in isolation if you remove the players picked.

I'm not arguing that the Jones trade was fine for Cleveland I just wanted to point out what it took the Falcons to get at 6. Cleveland was on the receiving and on this deal you really believe they would feel good to give up all those picks for Ryan Mallett? I agree completely that Little and especially Weeden (honestly how can you pick a guy in the first round knowing he'll be 29 in his first season and isn't even an elite talent)

I think they see Mallett as an option and let him compete with Weeden for the starting position but I highly doubt they see him as a franchise QB. Like I said 3rd rounder this year 2-3rd rounder next year and both sides would be happy. Just a shame they don't have 2nd round pick this year.

IllegalContact · Mar 18, 2013

Currently, I see Mallett as a better alternative than any QB in the draft, so it begs the question........

would you rather use that #6 pick on Geno Smith and then sign him to a pretty hefty contract, or would you rather use that pick on a guy who would probably be the first QB taken if he were being drafted this year and who has 2 years on an NFL sideline, 2 seasons of OTA's and 2 training camps?

ANYONE looking to draft a QB should be talking to the pats

Brady6 · Mar 18, 2013

manxman2601 said:
Jax said:

I was joshing. I tend to agree with the argument you and others are making - I was just pointing out another aspect that I'd seen made.

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Ok no problem I wasn't upset I just wasn't sure.

billdog3484 · Mar 18, 2013

Seels said:
Hey guys, there's seriously 0% chance the Browns give up the 6th overall pick for Mallett, please stop discussing this as if there is any reasonable way it happens.

More likely is some combo of a lower pick this year (like a 4/5) and next years 3rd. No way they get a 1st, little chance they even see a second out of it.

If that's the browns offer we would laugh at them. We invested a 3rd. High third. Mallett has done nothing to show he is worth less thsn that. In fact he had 2 years of exoerience. We would have to get better than that to trade him. Least if give him up for would be a 2013 3rd and 2014 2nd. I don't even know if I'd accept less than next years 1. Nonetheless just because the browns don't currently have a 2nd that's not to say they can't get one. From us or anyone else.

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