Report: Pats interested in Dumervil

Shockt327 said:

Elvis already renegotiated down to $8 mil/per with Denver. That's what you're looking at. It's do-able.

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I'm not saying it's not doable, I'm questioning whether 8m/per would be acceptable for a one-trick pony (who, admittedly, performs that trick pretty darn well), given the other pressing needs facing the team.

A solid pass rush would make the secondary better so bring him in!

I wouldn't be too worried about his lack of run defense either, he would have Wilfork next to him and Mayo/Hightower/Spikes/Wilson behind him who are all very good against the run.

Just trying to sway the doubters.

But take this into account.

I know he wont come cheap but it could be a good way to a great pass rusher cheaper than normal and possibly set up a price for Jones in a few years.

Dummerville due to his size and proven track record is not the every down pass rusher of say a Peppers but that will obviously bring down the price. Peppers had it all every down player with the size, speed, athleticism, with the proven track record that made it way the hell out of our price range.

Again I am sure Elvis will get good money but it very well should be less than a guy like Peppers. Combine that with the size of some of the contracts signed this year and maybe stress the maybe it could bring it down to a price range BB would spend for a pass rusher.

Also he is more than just a sub rusher as he is young and talented in his own right just suited for one skill over the others.

Then if you get him cheap it could be somewhat used a trickle down to when you negotiate with Jones in a few years. Obviously each being there own guys and in what will be completely different markets but still.

dales804 said:

Was it the Patriots that doubted Jones could stop the run? I thought it was mostly attributed to "analysts" and reporters.

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Yes, that too. But, iirc, I read that the staff, during training camp, was very surprised to see just how strong Chandler was; much more than they assumed.

BradyManny said:

Anderson yes, but I don't think so on Carter. He was a 3-down player who was a beast against the run.

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Well, the biggest reason why Andre Carter wasn't resigned by Wash was because Orakpo was now the 7-tech pass rusher. Carter was being used in a manner where he had to tie up blockers; it wasn't his strong suit, particularly against the run. But Belichick had little problem signing him. If that's the case, then I'd certainly expect the same in regards to Elvis.

JackBauer said:

I'm not saying it's not doable, I'm questioning whether 8m/per would be acceptable for a one-trick pony (who, admittedly, performs that trick pretty darn well), given the other pressing needs facing the team.

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Dude, he's far from being a one-trick-pony. It's not not his strong suit; but he's not that bad against the run, or anything.

I don't think that the Patriots will offer enough to sign Dumervil.

I think that Demervil needs to be signed by someone, so that the next level can continue again: Freeney and Abraham for us. This is similar to the situation with Log, where I now expect the other OT's to begin to be signed.

BB has been looking for a pass rusher ever since Seymour left. This is the guy.

The advantage of Dumervil over Abraham and Freeney is his age. Instead of a 1 or 2 year Vet, this would be a longer term deal. Costlier, but potentially worth it.

I don't want to hijack the the thread but this is linked. Is there any interest in trading for Trent Cole from Philly? Seems like he's a little out in the cold following the switch to an odd front and the signing of Conner Barwin.

The Eagles have three almost redundant 4-3 DE's in Graham, Cole and Curry but Cole's is the contract they'd most likely want to get out of. It's manageable this year and next (5.3m , 6m) but then escalates into ridiculous 11m+ territiory until 2017. But by that time, it would be re-negotiable or cuttable. Cole had a down year last year with only three sacks but from what I've read, that was down to incompatibilities with Washburn and his wide 9.

Just a thought.

Shockt327 said:

Dude, he's far from being a one-trick-pony. It's not not his strong suit; but he's not that bad against the run, or anything.

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We disagree. He's not Jason Babin bad, but he's pretty bad.

Luckily we already have solid run defenders in place, so that might compensate for it a bit.

signbabybrady said:

I know he wont come cheap but it could be a good way to a great pass rusher cheaper than normal...

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Except he already agreed to 8 mil/per with Denver. That's really not much. Far less than in previous years.

Again I am sure Elvis will get good money but it very well should be less than a guy like Peppers.

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But you really cannot compare a pre-flat cap contract to a something that will be done now. Huge difference.

This market is as bad as you'll ever see. And only 10 teams have more cap room than NE; none are as competitive as NE, either. This is very do-able.

Another thing I find interesting is that Denver kind of set his price tag with their restructure as reportedly they were aroung 8 mil or so.

But now with a 4 mil dead hit for him they likely cant do 8 anymore. But know on an open market it is possible he could do better. But also possible no one else would go that far.

I would think using an 8 mil average if someone were to lock him up long term they could easily have a modest first year cap hit and still give him a nice contract.

Shockt327 said:

Except he already agreed to 8 mil/per with Denver. That's really not much. Far less than in previous years.


But you really cannot compare a pre-flat cap contract to a something that will be done now. Huge difference.

This market is as bad as you'll ever see. And only 10 teams have more cap room than NE; none are as competitive as NE, either. This is very do-able.

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Hey man I am with you, that was the point I was making. In this market and given he is not as versatile as say Peppers is we might be able to pull down an elite pass rusher at a cheap price.

That being said just because he agreed to 8 as a restructure with Denver doesnt mean that would be acceptable to him on the open market. My opinion is more wont be there for him but crazier things have happened.

Theory is that he only agreed to 8m w/ Denver because he knew he would get less on the market, otherwise he woulda said "see-ya" and looked for comparable money..

Probably looking at a 3-5 year deal averaging 5-7m for him.

manxman2601 said:

I don't want to hijack the the thread but this is linked. Is there any interest in trading for Trent Cole from Philly? Seems like he's a little out in the cold following the switch to an odd front and the signing of Conner Barwin.

The Eagles have three almost redundant 4-3 DE's in Graham, Cole and Curry but Cole's is the contract they'd most likely want to get out of. It's manageable this year and next (5.3m , 6m) but then escalates into ridiculous 11m+ territiory until 2017. But by that time, it would be re-negotiable or cuttable. Cole had a down year last year with only three sacks but from what I've read, that was down to incompatibilities with Washburn and his wide 9.

Just a thought.

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Not knowledgable enough about his actual play to speak on that. What I can say is that it would cost Philly $1M more in cap charges if they traded him this year versus just keeping him. His contract is ridiculously backloaded; base salaries of the following:

$3.5M in 2013
$5M in 2014
$10M in 2015
$10.9M in 2016
$13.9M in 2017

Plus some workout bonuses, here is the source.

From the Pats perspective, this is really a 2 year rental, then a cut or major restructing. So what would they be willing to trade for that, a player coming off a down year? I suspect it won't match up with what the Eagles would want for taking on an additional $1M in cap charges.

This sounds like another one of those smokescreens this time of year to drive up one's market.

I'd be shocked if the Patriots actually sign Dumervil to a deal. Right now this is all just rumor and innuendo.

strngplyr said:

Theory is that he only agreed to 8m w/ Denver because he knew he would get less on the market, otherwise he woulda said "see-ya" and looked for comparable money..

Probably looking at a 3-5 year deal averaging 5-7m for him.

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Oh, great point.

The commentary on Elvis's re-structuring -- before it fell through -- was that it was a smart move on his part to take less w/ Denver because, if cut, he won't get as much on the open market....especially now that teams have have already splurged on the early/big signings.

PatriotDynasty_12 said:

Take it for what it's worth...

Report: Patriots Interested In FA Elvis Dumervil « CBS Boston

Wouldn't that be something

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If we miss out on the Dumervil sweepstakes there is another potential DE out there... How about Greg Hardy?

He's in the final year of his rookie contract, and his agent is all over the Panthers for an extension. The Panthers are in cap hell, and it's only going to get worse next year. They probably won't be able to free up enough space to franchise him.

So, maybe they'd be willing to trade him now, for a pick or so.

The guy was a terror last year, and he has the size. Not to mention he's only 24 years old.

Just a thought.

This probably isn't ever going to happen.....he most likely will re-sign back in Denver...Here's the latest. Even thought he has tons of interested teams out there....I heard on ESPN that he hired a new agent and they are trying to work things out....would be awesome to get him though


Elvis Dumervil might get big contract after fax flap - NFL.com

Apparently Dumervil has hired Condon so they should really focus on Freeney and Abraham because Elvis won't be coming to Foxboro.