Edelman

I want to see him come back. I like the fact that he worked last year with Brady to improve his route running and looked very good before the injury. I'm sure BB would welcome him back with a cap friendly deal since he's so versatile.

I'd really like to see him stay. I don't think he'll be attracting any big money offers and he plays very well in our system. Frankly, I'd prefer having him on the field over Lloyd, I think he's a better receiver and if he didn't have injury problems he could have had an exceptional season last year. Doesn't matter what I think though, it's most likely up to Josh to decide which receivers he wants to put on the field and Lloyd may have the edge (assuming his contract can be re-written).

I'm beginning to think that we'll only have one of either Lloyd or Edelman on this team next year.

If Lloyd does restructure - heard he was willing but haven't heard that he has - then I'm gonna have a hard time seeing Edelman coming back.

Which is a shame because I prefer Edelman to Lloyd.

fnordcircle said:

I'm beginning to think that we'll only have one of either Lloyd or Edelman on this team next year.

If Lloyd does restructure - heard he was willing but haven't heard that he has - then I'm gonna have a hard time seeing Edelman coming back.

Which is a shame because I prefer Edelman to Lloyd.

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I think Lloyd is getting a bit of a bad rap here. 74 catches for 911 yards and 4 TDs in year 1 with TB was decent production. No question his YAC was lousy but his catch % of 57% for a guy split out wide is decent. He did have 7 drops but that accounted for only 5% of his total targets so thats not too bad.

As it pertains to Edelman, I view he and Lloyd have different skill sets and both and him beeing a little more like Amendola. Either way, both have value in this offense. I'd like to see him back too.

Also worth noting that we don't have to choose yet.

We can sign 12 receivers and weed them out in camp. We aren't building the 53 man roster. We're building the 90.

fnordcircle said:

I'm beginning to think that we'll only have one of either Lloyd or Edelman on this team next year.

If Lloyd does restructure - heard he was willing but haven't heard that he has - then I'm gonna have a hard time seeing Edelman coming back.

Which is a shame because I prefer Edelman to Lloyd.

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Lloyd put up very good #s last year. Edelman has never shown that he can do anything close to that. And Edes has a repeated history of injuries, missing lots of games.

That said, I as a fan see upside to Edelman. He's quicker and makes people miss. He can take a play to the house. Plus, he's a fine ST player, a dynamic PR. I even thought he was decent as an emergency nickel back sub. Made good open field tackles. So I too prefer Edelman but admit I'm emotionally biased.

robertweathers said:

I think Lloyd is getting a bit of a bad rap here. 74 catches for 911 yards and 4 TDs in year 1 with TB was decent production. No question his YAC was lousy but his catch % of 57% for a guy split out wide is decent. He did have 7 drops but that accounted for only 5% of his total targets so thats not too bad.

As it pertains to Edelman, I view he and Lloyd have different skill sets and both and him beeing a little more like Amendola. Either way, both have value in this offense. I'd like to see him back too.

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I like Lloyd. I just like Edelman more. Because I always get sentimentally attached to our project players who make things happen.

Edelman is also a guy who consistently shows fire and spark regardless of the situation.

I think Lloyd gave us fine production for what we paid for him. I'm definitely not one of the ridiculous Lloyd haters.

I just am a huge Edelman fan and really want to see what he'd do in this offense as a starter for a full season. I think he'd be a difference maker.

Edelmans problem is his durability....it just seems he suffers a season ending injury every single year.

I thought he looked solid as our #3 WR last year and was very fast/shifty....but once again he gets injured which derails what looked like was going to be a breakout year for him at receiver

RIpats88 said:

Edelmans problem is his durability....it just seems he suffers a season ending injury every single year.

I thought he looked solid as our #3 WR last year and was very fast/shifty....but once again he gets injured which derails what looked like was going to be a breakout year for him at receiver

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He just doesnt get open enough. He has quickness to work in our system but the route running and selling the fake just isn't there.
His production when he is on the field has been minimal and if you take away the screen pass, which has nothing to do with who the target is (although Edelmans open field running is good) you lose half of the already light numbers.
There may have been less than 10 receptions all season that were Edleman running a quality route against coverage and getting open, maybe less than 5.
I like Edelman for what he is, but I just don't understand how people insist on trying to make him what he isn't. To pretend he has skills he doesn't in order to pimp his value is more insulting to the player than recognizing the skills he does have and realizes that he is what he is.

PatsFan2 said:

Huh? when we saw Edelman last he was developing into a nice WR he was also taking snaps from Lloyd.:snob:

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Edelman never took snaps from Lloyd.
When we last saw Edleman he caught 11 passes in 6 games. That is not developing into a nice WR.
I don't have the exact breakdown of all 11, but outside of 1 58 yard catch, he averaged 9.2 ypc on the other 10 spead over 6 weeks.
That is 1.8 catches for 25 yards a game 'the last time we saw Edelman'

Even if Lloyd stays they should still target Edelman as WR depth and PR

BradyFTW! said:

Even if Lloyd stays they should still target Edelman as WR depth and PR

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Depends on the price. If we have Amendola, Lloyd,Sanders and Jones at WR on a team with Gronk and Hernandez, Edelman isn't going to see WR reps.
On a 7th round rookie contract he was a great value. If it takes real WR paychecks to sign him, he is overpriced.

AndyJohnson said:

Depends on the price. If we have Amendola, Lloyd,Sanders and Jones at WR on a team with Gronk and Hernandez, Edelman isn't going to see WR reps.
On a 7th round rookie contract he was a great value. If it takes real WR paychecks to sign him, he is overpriced.

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This is assuming Jones will even pan out

I'd like both Lloyd and Edelman back at least for TC. Lloyd is a proven producer for us and Edelman can do alot, plus he's still our best PR as the roster stands. Edelman's would have to involve major incentives though he has not proven to be durable.

DocHoliday said:

This is assuming Jones will even pan out

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Jones is a 3 year NFL veteran who has outproduced Edelman with a terrible QB, and was given a 3 year contract. Why would he not pan out?

BradyFTW! said:

Even if Lloyd stays they should still target Edelman as WR depth and PR

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Washington on PR ..... I'd rather see the pats grab Ryan swope in round 3

IllegalContact said:

I'd rather see the pats grab Ryan swope in round 3

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Four confirmed concussions in college. Not a guy you want to be responsible for, especially not in the slot.

AndyJohnson said:

Jones is a 3 year NFL veteran who has outproduced Edelman with a terrible QB, and was given a 3 year contract. Why would he not pan out?

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Ocho was 10x the receiver Jones will ever be. It happens.

Some players just don't pan out in this system.

DocHoliday said:

Ocho was 10x the receiver Jones will ever be. It happens.

Some players just don't pan out in this system.

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If only the Pats org had your prescience

People are forgetting about Cribbs