WR Percy Harvin traded to Seahawks

Harvin was a first round pick, He has been a ridiculous punt/k returner, and has be uncoverable while on the field. How is this a bad trade for Seattle? Harvin is going to be a beast over there with Wilson tossing him deep balls.

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet
RT @JayGlazer: Seattle sends this years first round pick and a 7th rounder as well as a mid-round pick next year for Harvin. Win-win


Man. Peter Carroll must have REALLY been jacked and pumped over Harvin. Not so sure about the "win-win" bit is a sure thing, unless Harvin suddenly becomes an all-year player.

Bobs My Uncle said:

How can you say it's a bad deal when we don't even know how well Harvin will produce?

What if Harvin produces at a pro bowl level?

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Because of what they paid for the privilege of paying too much money for Harvin...

Now, sometimes you have to be willing to take a bad deal in order to improve your team, and this may end up being one of those times. The deal itself is still a bad one, though.

Datone Jones now slips to 29 and the Patriots go back to a 3-4 which suits the LBs much more. Armstead, Wilfork and Jones up front.

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A 1st and a 7th this year and a mid round next year. And a new deal for Harvin.

yopats said:

Per @JayGlazer Seattle sends this years first round pick and a 7th rounder as well as a mid-round pick next year for Harvin. Win-win

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I saw a funny tweet from a Vikings fan hoping the trade was for Seattle's 2012 3rd rounder.

makoute said:

The difference is the QBs that were throwing the ball to each player. And also what they gave up for Havin, if they gave up a 1 for him, I would say that is a bit much, but if not, than it is worth it.

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The thing is Brady wasn't the 4,000 plus yards, 30 plus TD guy who he became 2007 on. His numbers were more mortal the first time Branch was around especially since the rules were far less favorable to the passing game than they are now. So the comparisons are more comparable than you think.

Another comparison is that both WRs had only played a full 16 game season once prior to the trade.

Yes, Harvin has had a lot of crap QBs throwing to him, but Brady's numbers pre-2007 were comparable to an average QB today. Obviously, he was far better than an average QB, but back prior to 2007 a QB putting up 3,500 yards was an excellent season for a QB. Today, even Sanchez has come within 26 yards of hitting that milestone in a season.

What a price for Harvin. This years late 1st seem to be very valuable as the draft class hasn't got many blue chippers but many very talented players. He didn't have 1x 1000 yard season so far as a WR. I know Harvin is talented but reportedly also a headcase. I don't know if the Seahawks will have a stable locker room with guys like Sherman and Harvin.

They could've gotten Tavon Austin with those picks and got a very similar player for less money.

I really really really dislike this trade for the Seahawks, especially since this is going to affect their ability to sign all of Chancellor, Thomas, and Sherman over the next two seasons.

Rob0729 said:

The thing is Brady wasn't the 4,000 plus yards, 30 plus TD guy who he became 2007 on. His numbers were more mortal the first time Branch was around especially since the rules were far less favorable to the passing game than they are now. So the comparisons are more comparable than you think.

Another comparison is that both WRs had only played a full 16 game season once prior to the trade.

Yes, Harvin has had a lot of crap QBs throwing to him, but Brady's numbers pre-2007 were comparable to an average QB today. Obviously, he was far better than an average QB, but back prior to 2007 a QB putting up 3,500 yards was an excellent season for a QB. Today, even Sanchez has come within 26 yards of hitting that milestone in a season.

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if by average you mean top 10 in rating, then yes Brady was average.

I'd say it's a win-win. Some people here are underestimating Harvin who's one of the most dynamic players in the league.

Marqui said:

I'd say it's a win-win. Some people here are underestimating Harvin who's one of the most dynamic players in the league.

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At this moment (without knowing how well Harvin will produce), I'm going to have to give the nod to the Vikings. That is a really high price to pay for the Seahawks to be able to negotiate a new deal with Harvin...

Sciz said:

I really really really dislike this trade for the Seahawks, especially since this is going to affect their ability to sign all of Chancellor, Thomas, and Sherman over the next two seasons.

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But does it improve the chances of one of them becoming a Patriot?

So getting a proven player like Harvin vs an unproven collegiate player is now considered a bad deal?

Sciz said:

I really really really dislike this trade for the Seahawks, especially since this is going to affect their ability to sign all of Chancellor, Thomas, and Sherman over the next two seasons.

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They have a cheap QB for the next three years. They're in win-now mode to take advantage of that fact.

The Rams and the Cards aren't getting to the playoffs anytime soon unless there's injuries to Kaepernick or Wilson.

Sciz said:

I really really really dislike this trade for the Seahawks, especially since this is going to affect their ability to sign all of Chancellor, Thomas, and Sherman over the next two seasons.

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This is the big problem I see as well. Whether he comes aboard or not this team was about to get raided first chance others teams got. Now they've made it even more difficult. Like Kaepernick, Wilson is not playing out their rookies deals if they continue to have success. Just isn't happening.

I do commend Pete Carroll and John Schneider on their recent team building success. Schneider was a fantastic scout for Green Bay back in the 90's under Ron Wolf. All this guy needed was a chance.

HowardRoark said:

At this moment (without knowing how well Harvin will produce), I'm going to have to give the nod to the Vikings. That is a really high price to pay for the Seahawks to be able to negotiate a new deal with Harvin...

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They've basically given up a 7th rounder and a mid-round pick in 2014 if you make the assumption that at 24 yrs old, Harvin would have been the Seahawks first round pick in the draft. That's a moderate trade up only. Aside from the contract, the Seahawks got a bargain if Harvin plays regularly.

And yes, I recognise there's a couple of important caveats in there.

condon84 said:

So getting a proven player like Harvin vs an unproven collegiate player is now considered a bad deal?

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It's not just who, but how much.

For example, let's say a team convinced the Patriots to give up GRONK.

The sheer magnitude of what they would have to cough up to get BB to do that right now would destroy any value they might get from him.

condon84 said:

So getting a proven player like Harvin vs an unproven collegiate player is now considered a bad deal?

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With the cap room and picks they're giving up for Harvin, they could have had a high level free agent and a first round rookie.

Sciz said:

With the cap room and picks they're giving up for Harvin, they could have had a high level free agent and a first round rookie.

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I'd rather have Harvin over an unknown and a high level FA.