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Carolina Steve Smith is a FA? Why aren't more people talking about this?

Obviously he's getting up there in age but I think he can still produce and has some speed.

I'm sure he could produce on some level, but it's his age and he didn't have the best of yrs getting looked over for Brandon LaFell a lot.

He would offer somewhat of a more physical presence as he plays better than his height suggests, but he isn't really what most are looking for.

He is their typical kind of signing though, a proven vet that won't cost nearly as much as many other guys, and one that can still play. No matter what all of our specific opinions are on Smith, that decision will obviously be left up to Belichick to choose.

It's all going to depend on the Welker situation. A guy like Smith could be a fine jump over someone like Edelman as the WR3, or I suppose he could possibly even come in and show more than Llyod in TC (doubtful due to Llyod's one year experience here) as our WR2--pushing Llyod down to a WR3.

However if Welker isn't retained, a guy like Smith may be needed more than we realize. The problem is that he doesn't really solve the need for the speedier outside threat who offers a physical presence, and would be continuing the string of smurfy blue WR's.

It will be interesting to see how Belichick handles the situation. He may want to go with the more proven vet in FA like a Steve Smith, and then gamble in the draft with a more physical presence or speed burner. If that's the case, we'll need to hope that it works out.
 
If Wes Welker is reading, he is feeling pretty good right now.

I really don't see that much difference compared to last year to be completely honest, although you may feel differently. We usually see a nice handful of top tiered FA's at the position, and then a decent falloff. I'm seeing a lot of the same this year, with the prospects of a flat cap added, although the cap floor probably offsets that too on some level.

I would certainly agree that Welker and his camp are feeling good about their prospects no matter what though, as he has earned that right.

Top Free agent WR 2013

Greg Jennings
Mike Wallace
Dwayne Bowe
Wes Welker
Danny Amendola
Victor Cruz (RFA)
Emanual Sanders (RFA)


Top 2012 Free Agent WR

Vincent Jackson
Reggie Wayne
Marques Colston
Brandon Llyod
Robert Meachem
Mario Manningham
Laurent Robinson
Mike Wallace (RFA)

I actually think that one could make an argument that this year's FA class is better talent wise at the position, although there may not be as many "middle tiered" guys as last year either.
 
It's my opinion that this team will not spend the kind of money necessary for a "bigger name" WR who many here clamor for, so I would instantly cross someone like D.Bowe/G.Jennings off the list pretty much immediately. Others may feel differently, but I just think that there are many hints to the contrary in the past with this kind of system (not to mention Belichick's feelings), and I also believe that both re-signing some of our own + the needs on defense would prevent us from going after one of these 10 million dollar guys due to financial factors.

It's also my opinion that although we'll almost certainly be drafting at least one WR in the upcoming draft, but in 9/10 times that WR is going to be a developmental prospect of sorts for the first year. That is simply due to the complexity of the offense and other variables that go into it. Belichick tends to prefer many of the proven vets at this position, so free agency in terms of a middle to lower tier will need to be explored for options here too.

Obviously, the Welker situation (along with the Edelman situation) is an important factor to keep in mind. That said, here are some of the prospects for "rejuvenation," and some that may still be growing and progressing. Many have speed, hands, or at least some of the skills that are needed to be a somewhat productive WR, but have not shown enough of the overall quality to be in the list of elites. Many do not, and were overhyped to begin with.

In other words, we may once again look to the FA list in terms of cost efficiency and trying to turn rocks (some of them shiny rocks) into gold. We all want more of a downfield threat, not to mention a physical presence. Here are some of the middle/lower tiered players who can potentially stretch the field and/or offer a more physical presence:


---Louis Murphy (CAR)
---Johnnie Knox (CHI) EDIT: may not be a FA due to remaining on PUP for the 2012 season like M.Pryor
---Josh Cribbs (CLE)
---M.Massaquoi (CLE)
---Donnie Avery (IND)
---Devery Henderson (NO)
---Ramses Barden (NYG)
---Dominic Hixon (NYG)
---Jerome Simpson (MIN)
---Brian Hartline (MIA)
---Ted Ginn (SF)
---Brandon Gibson (STL)
---Steve Smith (CAR)
---Derek Hagan (OAK)
---Legadu Nannee (FA)


We also have the "usual suspects" of the following, but who are already pretty much crossed off the list due to obvious reasons:

---Braylon Edwards
---Plaxico Burress
---Terrell Owens
---Randy Moss
---Mark Clayton
---Mike Williams
---Mike Sims-Walker
---Lee Evans


We can also assume that these following WR free agents will command too much money or are RFA's, so they would not fall into this category of middle/lower tiered:

---Greg Jennings
---Mike Wallace
---Dwayne Bowe
---Danny Amendola
---Victor Cruz (RFA)
---Emanuel Sanders (RFA)


Does anyone have any idea or opinons on any of these "lesser" free agent WRs who may be more realistic and cost effective? The WR corps is pretty much depleted, so we're somewhat likely to be signing someone off of this list at some point in time.

I would go for Avery, Henderson, and Hartline...and also bring in Nannee for a look.
 
I really don't see that much difference compared to last year to be completely honest, although you may feel differently. We usually see a nice handful of top tiered FA's at the position, and then a decent falloff. I'm seeing a lot of the same this year, with the prospects of a flat cap added, although the cap floor probably offsets that too on some level.

I would certainly agree that Welker and his camp are feeling good about their prospects no matter what though, as he has earned that right.

Top Free agent WR 2013

Greg Jennings
Mike Wallace
Dwayne Bowe
Wes Welker
Danny Amendola
Victor Cruz (RFA)
Emanual Sanders (RFA)


Top 2012 Free Agent WR

Vincent Jackson
Reggie Wayne
Marques Colston
Brandon Llyod
Robert Meachem
Mario Manningham
Laurent Robinson
Mike Wallace (RFA)

I actually think that one could make an argument that this year's FA class is better talent wise at the position, although there may not be as many "middle tiered" guys as last year either.

Danny Amendola is so overrated on this board it's not even funny.

If Wes Welker didn't exist Danny Amendola would be a WR3 scrub nobody would even consider. People are so desperate to find the next Wes Welker they're slamming the label on anyone white and short.
 
Danny Amendola is so overrated on this board it's not even funny.

If Wes Welker didn't exist Danny Amendola would be a WR3 scrub nobody would even consider. People are so desperate to find the next Wes Welker they're slamming the label on anyone white and short.
How many games have you seen Amendola play? People tend to rate him because he's a fine receiver.

Amendola's problem is he doesn't appear durable.
 
How many games have you seen Amendola play? People tend to rate him because he's a fine receiver.

Amendola's problem is he doesn't appear durable.

and I was thinking this afternoon as I drove home from up north..."I really hope Edelman doesn't have Amendola disease.."...
 
Carolina Steve Smith is a FA? Why aren't more people talking about this?

Obviously he's getting up there in age but I think he can still produce and has some speed.
He's not a free agent. Signed a four year contract last April.
 
How many games have you seen Amendola play? People tend to rate him because he's a fine receiver.

Amendola's problem is he doesn't appear durable.

Exactly. His durability concerns are the one negative to his play. While it may be just a case of bad luck this year and last, he hasn't played long enough for a large enough sample size to determine moving forward.

Either way, someone is certainly going to take a chance with him if STL is not able to afford keeping him. His reputation and tough play are worthy enough of that label even with the durability issues.

The biggest question will be how much those durability issues will affect his contract moving forward.
 
He's not a free agent. Signed a four year contract last April.

That's the trouble with the damned internet. These sites don't update their information ;)

Luckily I caught Johnnie Knox on my own. I'll go back and take Smith off the list. The Panthers don't really have to make a decision on him until next offseason, as you are right that he signed a contract last spring to help free up money.

Thanks for the catch, Sciz. It doesn't appear that I can edit the post anymore.

Steve Smith’s contract gives Panthers $4.75 million in cap space | ProFootballTalk
 
I really don't see that much difference compared to last year to be completely honest, although you may feel differently. We usually see a nice handful of top tiered FA's at the position, and then a decent falloff. I'm seeing a lot of the same this year, with the prospects of a flat cap added, although the cap floor probably offsets that too on some level.

I would certainly agree that Welker and his camp are feeling good about their prospects no matter what though, as he has earned that right.

Top Free agent WR 2013

Greg Jennings
Mike Wallace
Dwayne Bowe
Wes Welker
Danny Amendola
Victor Cruz (RFA)
Emanual Sanders (RFA)


Top 2012 Free Agent WR

Vincent Jackson
Reggie Wayne
Marques Colston
Brandon Llyod
Robert Meachem
Mario Manningham
Laurent Robinson
Mike Wallace (RFA)

I actually think that one could make an argument that this year's FA class is better talent wise at the position, although there may not be as many "middle tiered" guys as last year either.

My point was that you have a group of guys who will be asking for a ton of money, then a bunch of nothing.
 
Regarding Devry Henderson, I have watched a lot of Saints games over the years: Drew Brees has been my starting fantasy QB in more than one league. Devry might be just what we need: He is big, fast, and stretches the field. The reason Devry's production is just average is because Drew Brees has up to 5 other legitimate receiving options at times and he spreads it around even more than Tom Brady. I believe that he would open things up for us on offense.
 
My point was that you have a group of guys who will be asking for a ton of money, then a bunch of nothing.

Your point actually has even more merit when considering the fact that Welker was franchised last year at approx. 9.5 million dollars, which would probably point to his being guaranteed a higher chance at an actual deal this time around.

While it's certainly possible that the Pats could still franchise him at approx. 11 million+, I would think that the odds of that a second time around decrease quite a bit.

I guess it would all depend on what one man's opinion is though, as he may be fine with paying the franchise amount.
 
Regarding Devry Henderson, I have watched a lot of Saints games over the years: Drew Brees has been my starting fantasy QB in more than one league. Devry might be just what we need: He is big, fast, and stretches the field. The reason Devry's production is just average is because Drew Brees has up to 5 other legitimate receiving options at times and he spreads it around even more than Tom Brady. I believe that he would open things up for us on offense.

There are some positives to consider when bringing up Henderson.

He initially ran a 4.36 forty yd dash. I don't imagine that's quite the case right now, but I would still think that he's got plenty of speed left.

He's played in a highly productive, high octane type of offense, so he's proven that he can probably have a higher chance at picking this kind of system up.

Looking at his past seasons, he has proven that he can stay healthy and he is durable.

I would think that some of his lack of production would lie in the fact that the Saints have had some serious other threats that Brees favors, specifically now with Colston, Graham, and Sproles.

I for one, would be all for the signing. I don't think it could really hurt any, put it that way. He doesn't have any character concerns, wouldn't be an extreme cap hit, and could very well offer something that's needed at the position...improvement and depth.
 
That's the trouble with the damned internet. These sites don't update their information ;)

Luckily I caught Johnnie Knox on my own. I'll go back and take Smith off the list. The Panthers don't really have to make a decision on him until next offseason, as you are right that he signed a contract last spring to help free up money.

Thanks for the catch, Sciz. It doesn't appear that I can edit the post anymore.

Steve Smith’s contract gives Panthers $4.75 million in cap space | ProFootballTalk

Steve Smith from the Rams is a free agent. Used to he a good slot receiver with Eagles has fallen off the map the last few years. Your information is correct just mixing up the two have the same name.

Also to answer your original question I think Jerome Simpson would be a nice pickup. Has speed and size. Not going to be a number 1 but a younger Stallworth who could stretch the field without commanding a ton of targets and snaps.
 
With Henderson, the biggest question I have is whether he is a legitimate threat to run all of the shorter underneath routes or whether he's the deep threat decoy that the Pats had in early 2010 and traded away.
 
Steve Smith from the Rams is a free agent. Used to he a good slot receiver with Eagles has fallen off the map the last few years. Your information is correct just mixing up the two have the same name.

Also to answer your original question I think Jerome Simpson would be a nice pickup. Has speed and size. Not going to be a number 1 but a younger Stallworth who could stretch the field without commanding a ton of targets and snaps.

Ahhh, there lies the confusion.

I was beginning to doubt some of these free agent lists on the web. Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.

Most of us probably mistook the "real" S.Smith since there was so much talk last season about him being a FA. I know I did.
 
If Wes Welker is reading, he is feeling pretty good right now.

I think you're missing the point of the thread. Even if we sign the WW we still need to add additional players.

There are some nice complementary WR who could help without commanding huge money.
 
I think you're missing the point of the thread. Even if we sign the WW we still need to add additional players.

There are some nice complementary WR who could help without commanding huge money.

I think that's a great point actually. Especially if we re-sign Welker, due to the fact that it will eat away at whatever room would be still left, depending upon "how" they would manage to do that of course. If it ends up being the franchise tag again and the same thing happens at the mid-July point where the two sides can't reach an agreement, they'll likely be stuck with that huge 11 million+ cap hit, which would seriously hurt our chances of making as much of an impact in free agency.

Although there are no big exciting draws from this list, it may provide an example of some of the kinds of players that the front office will be targeting. One man's trash is often another man's treasure, especially in the Bill Belichick and salary cap era. Unfortunately, the position of WR becomes a hard one to hit on, possibly due to the complexity of the offense, and possibly due to blind bad luck. Probably a combination of both on some level.

Of course we all want that brand new shiny toy from the draft too, so let's hope that happens early on and that he contributes nicely in year one right off the bat. In the meantime, they'll be targeting upgrades across the board, besides the WR2 (and hopefully the WR1) positions. In a perfect world, Edelman can be retained for reps and progression at WR4, gadget plays, and special teams awareness, and WR3 can be upgraded....possibly significantly.
 
Yeah, whether or not Welker returns has no impact on my opinions of bringing in a guy like Henderson.

And yes, Sciz... this is my one concern with DH as well:
With Henderson, the biggest question I have is whether he is a legitimate threat to run all of the shorter underneath routes or whether he's the deep threat decoy that the Pats had in early 2010 and traded away.
 
Yeah, whether or not Welker returns has no impact on my opinions of bringing in a guy like Henderson.

And yes, Sciz... this is my one concern with DH as well:

I agree that the position needs replacing and upgrading whether or not Welker is retained or not, however "how" they go about doing that will have a lot of difference potentially depending upon their thoughts on Welker's future here.

Your concern is warranted with a guy like Henderson, but I also think a case could be made that we'll have that kind of concern for anyone chosen, not to mention the prospective targets in the draft too.

There's actually an argument that could even be made for something of a decoy or pure downfield threat coming in during 3 WR sets, although the offense would have to remain the same which would likely mean keeping Welker to try and have any success doing that.

I don't think we really need anything more than someone to catch about 30-35 balls a season, unless they would somehow be a true gem of gems and end up knocking Llyod down to the WR3 slot--which I don't see happening personally. That said, I don't have quite the same level of concern as you and Sciz do in that regard....unless we're talking about replacing Welker with a whole different kind of traditional downfield offense, and then it's an entirely different story of course.
 
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